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15:35:06 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:35:06 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 25 minutes
15:35:16 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:36:58 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Katie Haritos Shea, , Debra Ruh,Deborah Dahl, John Rochford
15:38:17 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
15:38:19 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ set scribe
15:38:20 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ user group for chunk 1
15:38:22 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ technologies for chunk 1
15:38:24 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ schedules for drafts
15:38:25 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ be done
15:51:00 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:51:07 <Zakim> +??P1
15:52:16 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P1 is Lisa_Seeman
15:52:16 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
15:57:33 <Zakim> +??P2
15:57:38 <janina> zakim, ??P2 is me
15:57:38 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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16:00:08 <KateDeibel> zakim, ??P0 is me
16:00:08 <Zakim> +KateDeibel; got it
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16:02:36 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, who is here?
16:02:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, janina, KateDeibel, Susann_Keohane
16:02:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, KateDeibel, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, richardschwerdtfeger, slee, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
16:04:12 <Zakim> +NeilMilliken
16:04:25 <Zakim> +Mary_Jo_Mueller
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16:05:03 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:05:03 <Zakim> agendum 1. "set scribe" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
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16:05:41 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: NeilMilliken
16:05:48 <Lisa_Seeman> Zakim, close item
16:05:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Lisa_Seeman
16:05:56 <Lisa_Seeman> Zakim, next item
16:05:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Lisa_Seeman
16:06:04 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran
16:06:19 <Lisa_Seeman> Zakim, close item 1
16:06:19 <Zakim> agendum 1, set scribe, closed
16:06:20 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:06:20 <Zakim> 2. user group for chunk 1 [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:06:33 <Zakim> +??P7
16:06:54 <neilmilliken> zakim +44 203 618 is neilmilliken
16:07:04 <slee> zakim, ??P7 is me
16:07:04 <Zakim> +slee; got it
16:07:59 <neilmilliken> LS first item is which user groups go into chunk 1
16:08:01 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/ADHD
16:09:06 <neilmilliken> Mary Jo - Susanne & I have been concentrating on Aging & dementia
16:09:22 <neilmilliken> LS suggest we leave for chunk 2?
16:09:37 <neilmilliken> NM - Put in chunk 2
16:10:32 <neilmilliken> Kate Deibel asking for timelines on chunk 2?
16:10:51 <Tony_Doran> q?
16:10:52 <neilmilliken> LS or could we leave it out altogether?
16:11:27 <neilmilliken> KD - Keeping on task is important
16:11:38 <Lisa_Seeman> ack t
16:11:39 <neilmilliken> TD agrees it needs to remain in
16:12:02 <neilmilliken> Consensus that it should stay
16:12:10 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Aging_and_Dementia#Summary_of_Existing_Research_and_Guidelines_-_Research_Sources
16:12:48 <neilmilliken> LS thanks Susanne & Mary Jo for the work done
16:13:58 <neilmilliken> Susann we still have a "to do" to list articles if they are relevant over the next week.  Goal is to be ready for next Monday
16:14:26 <neilmilliken> SK kate sent articles we just need to do the review and pull in data
16:15:41 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:15:53 <neilmilliken> LS the stuff I found most useful from the recent conference was the stuff on people using tablets an I have been trough the journals and added stuff into the guidelines and characteristics section
16:16:02 <neilmilliken> LS I know that Steve also added a section
16:16:19 <Lisa_Seeman> my section https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Aging_and_Dementia#Characteristics_of_Content_Optimized_for_Aging_and_Dementia
16:16:37 <neilmilliken> SL I contacted a number of people working in the area one of them came back with info
16:17:26 <neilmilliken> SL I put the abstracts from the Peter Cudd work into the wiki but we need to look at all of the literature listed in the academic reviews
16:17:48 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Aging_and_Dementia#References_from_literature_reviews_on_Dementia_and_ICT_from_Peter_Cudd
16:17:58 <neilmilliken> KD I work at an academic library so I can probably get access for you
16:19:25 <neilmilliken> SL I kept in the stuff that specifically referenced technology
16:20:15 <slee> http://www.aaate.net/
16:20:25 <neilmilliken> KD most of these Journals I should have access to I will take a look at lunch time
16:21:09 <neilmilliken> LS this is very useful - because so much information is stuck behind paywalls
16:22:20 <neilmilliken> LS lets see how far we get over the next week with this - but even with how it is now I think that it is ready to include in chunk 1
16:22:45 <neilmilliken> SK give us one more week before we freeze it and we should then send it.
16:23:41 <neilmilliken> LS agree to freeze at the end of next week
16:24:08 <neilmilliken> SL when you say frozen do you mean a snapshot
16:24:12 <neilmilliken> LS yes
16:24:57 <neilmilliken> LS what is going to happen is the content will be ported into an editors draft on GiThub
16:25:44 <neilmilliken> The aim is to edit slightly for consistency - does any one object?
16:26:09 <neilmilliken> LS feel free to tell us if there are things we change that you are not happy with
16:26:23 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:26:23 <Zakim> agendum 2. "user group for chunk 1" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:26:41 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Non_W3C#IMS
16:26:41 <neilmilliken> LS Next up Technology Reviews
16:26:57 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Non_W3C
16:27:52 <neilmilliken> LS I am happy we have a review of APIP GPII and Flow
16:28:08 <neilmilliken> LS can we approve putting that into chunk one?
16:29:19 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Non_W3C
16:30:17 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Adaptive_technologies_for_learning
16:31:04 <neilmilliken> LS trying to find the adaptive technologies page
16:32:24 <neilmilliken> KD the idea of the independent learner is pretty much discounted in current education theory
16:33:03 <neilmilliken> NM I think it is too generic, needs more detail and some discussion
16:33:19 <neilmilliken> LS consensus not to include in chunk one
16:33:22 <Lisa_Seeman> http://accessibility.athena-ict.com/cognitive/VisionCoga1.html
16:33:31 <neilmilliken> LS Kate can you start a discussion on the list
16:34:45 <neilmilliken> LS the more abstract you make the suggestions the better
16:35:22 <neilmilliken> LS when you are writing up a technique
16:35:41 <neilmilliken> LS this means it stays relevant as technologoes change over time
16:36:35 <neilmilliken> LS so it should be techniques and abstractions
16:37:01 <neilmilliken> LS perhaps it should be placed in the topic "potential for Inclusion"
16:37:06 <neilmilliken> Does anyone object?
16:38:47 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Section_3
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16:39:46 <neilmilliken> NM I think thatthis should be in the suggestions section
16:41:11 <neilmilliken> LS this now poses the question do we want to include in suggestio the content that is now in "a vision for the roadmap"
16:41:47 <neilmilliken> LS that area is currently nice and empty....are we comfortable with that?
16:41:53 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
16:42:10 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis#Section_5:_Suggestions
16:42:27 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis#Section_5:_Suggestions
16:42:57 <KateDeibel> Minor system crisis. Have to run.
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16:43:30 <Lisa_Seeman> http://accessibility.athena-ict.com/cognitive/VisionCoga1.html
16:43:54 <neilmilliken> Are people comfortable with putting the vision document into the Suggestions Section 5 of the gap analysis?
16:43:58 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Section_3
16:44:27 <neilmilliken> LS plus a short introduction into the ideas for inclusion
16:44:35 <neilmilliken> NM I would support putting it in
16:44:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1
16:44:51 <MaryJo> +1
16:44:57 <Tim> +1
16:45:45 <Tony_Doran> Not sure if I have a vote yet as not a proper member yet but +1!
16:45:50 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:45:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. "technologies for chunk 1" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:46:14 <neilmilliken> LS that motion is Passed --- this brings us to the next item timelines and agenda?
16:47:28 <neilmilliken> LS Janina and Michael would like us to submit the work so far as an editors draft
16:48:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:48:08 <neilmilliken> LS we can then do some more tweaks and put out the next iteration as a working draft which is more likely to attract feedback
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16:48:59 <neilmilliken> LS idea is to get a working draft ready for October in time for TPAC for the face to face sessions
16:50:37 <neilmilliken> Tim Bolland What does the W3C processes say about this approach>
16:51:06 <Lisa_Seeman> make snapshot - auges t 6th
16:51:07 <Lisa_Seeman> when are people ok,  Resolution: next week
16:51:09 <Lisa_Seeman> chairs  to review aim for augest 18
16:51:10 <Lisa_Seeman> next editors draft: 24 September 2nd editors draft.
16:51:12 <Lisa_Seeman> when are people ok with it pass Resolution: next week
16:51:13 <Lisa_Seeman> send to parent groups
16:51:15 <Lisa_Seeman> get approval a week later end of 6th oct
16:51:16 <Lisa_Seeman> transition request
16:53:47 <neilmilliken> LS because we are not a working group we are a taskforce we need both WCAG and PF to be happy
16:55:59 <neilmilliken> EA worried that we have divergent templates - if TPAC has input from security can we reference other WG's that we should perhaps address as part of the process of cross referenceing and discussion
16:56:27 <neilmilliken> Janina creating that kind of analysis is the Ultimate goal
16:56:55 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:58:10 <neilmilliken> LS we are nearly at the hour so does anyone have any objections to the time line
16:58:31 <neilmilliken> LS I will post to the list to make sure people are comfortable
16:58:46 <neilmilliken> NM the enemy of good is great
16:58:57 <neilmilliken> NM we need the feedback
16:59:16 <neilmilliken> LS we can state that this is an EARLY draft
16:59:31 <Zakim> -janina
17:00:15 <neilmilliken> LS AOB??
17:00:35 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:00:43 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
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17:01:32 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
17:01:48 <neilmilliken> NM Elle and I met last week to discuss the Usability / Cog accessibility crossover
17:01:51 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
17:01:56 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
17:01:58 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:02:01 <Zakim> -slee
17:02:32 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa post schedules to the list
17:02:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Post schedules to the list [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-08-04].
17:02:34 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Susann Keohane and  aging subgroup to add content about rearch before snapshot
17:02:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Keohane and  aging subgroup to add content about rearch before snapshot [on Susann Keohane - due 2014-08-04].
17:03:06 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
17:03:14 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:03:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/28-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:03:22 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
17:03:22 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Lisa_Seeman, janina, KateDeibel, Susann_Keohane, NeilMilliken, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Tony_Doran, slee, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Tim_Boland,
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17:03:25 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller]
17:03:31 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:03:31 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/28-coga-actions.rdf :
17:03:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa post schedules to the list [1]
17:03:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/28-coga-irc#T17-02-32
17:03:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Susann Keohane and  aging subgroup to add content about rearch before snapshot [2]
17:03:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/28-coga-irc#T17-02-34