IRC log of i18n on 2014-07-17
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 17 July 2014
- 14:01:47 [r12a]
- zakim, this will be i18n
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- ok, r12a; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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- zakim, dial richard please
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
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- +Richard
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- +JcK
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- addison, i started the call
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- +aphillip
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Richard, JcK, aphillip
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- On IRC I see aphillip, DavidC, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, prashant, r12a, fsasaki, fantasai, trackbot
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jul/0009.html
- 14:04:22 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
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- +??P5
- 14:04:56 [aphillip]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:04:56 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Richard, JcK, aphillip, fsasaki (muted), ??P5
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- On IRC I see aphillip, DavidC, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, prashant, r12a, fsasaki, fantasai, trackbot
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- Can you hear me?
- 14:05:36 [DavidC]
- OK... I'll just listen
- 14:05:36 [aphillip]
- zakim, ??P5 is DavidC
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- +DavidC; got it
- 14:06:17 [aphillip]
- Topic: Agenda
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- prashant, will you join the call?
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- Topic: Action Items
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- i am available through IRC only
- 14:06:57 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
- 14:07:16 [fsasaki]
- my action items still not done, please keep open as usual, sorry
- 14:07:20 [aphillip]
- action-252?
- 14:07:25 [trackbot]
- action-252 -- Felix Sasaki to Ping dita folks about contacting html5 about ruby progress -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/252
- 14:08:39 [aphillip]
- Topic: Info Share
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- addison: we published charmod-norm
- 14:09:10 [DavidC]
- Great
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- JcK: are you all aware of the "hamza above" controversy
- 14:10:24 [aphillip]
- ... in unicode description of hamza differs
- 14:12:31 [aphillip]
- "bet with hamza above" doesn't decompose to bet plus hamza
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- JcK: discussion in IAB I18N group
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- ... ID starting Monday
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- action: JcK: send link to "hamza above" ID to public list
- 14:14:25 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-320 - Send link to "hamza above" id to public list [on John Klensin - due 2014-07-24].
- 14:14:36 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: changed charmod-norm before publishing it
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- ... only editorial changes
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- ... mainly section 2
- 14:16:04 [aphillip]
- addison: did a few more minor edits
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Topic: RADAR
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
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- Topic: Indic Layout Requires
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- s/Requires/Requirements/
- 14:18:01 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3cindia.in/Indic-req-draft/Indic-layout-requirements.html
- 14:18:09 [aphillip]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jul/0007.html
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: they have issued a new version
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- ... (scrabbles around for a link)
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- ... suggest that we publish a FPWD
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- ... and provide some guidance to the TF
- 14:19:49 [prashant]
- aphillip:revised has already being uploded at http://w3cindia.in/Indic-req-draft/Revised-Indic-layout-requirements.html
- 14:20:07 [r12a]
- http://w3cindia.in/Indic-req-draft/Revised-Indic-layout-requirements.html
- 14:20:35 [prashant]
- this is the latest version
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- richard: propose that they use a stable link for editor's draft
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- richard: propose that they port to ReSpec
- 14:21:04 [aphillip]
- ... and stablize heads
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- ... remove screen snaps potentially?
- 14:21:32 [prashant]
- ok
- 14:21:59 [aphillip]
- richard: suggest using TTWF framework instead of screen shots?
- 14:22:07 [aphillip]
- ... and perhaps make document more generic
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- addison: yes, not focused strictly on CSS
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- richard: publish a document with general requirements and then publish recommendations
- 14:23:39 [prashant]
- aphillip: we will update the revised document as suggested
- 14:24:38 [aphillip]
- richard: latin text group doing similar
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- richard: some additional information not yet in document
- 14:24:50 [prashant]
- sorry, call is not available right now
- 14:25:14 [aphillip]
- richard: need to do a more formal/complete review as a WG
- 14:27:35 [prashant]
- ok will made the changes and circulate it into the Indic mailing list
- 14:29:52 [aphillip]
- action: richard: follow up with prashant on what we discussed about preparing Indic document for FPWD
- 14:29:52 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-321 - Follow up with prashant on what we discussed about preparing indic document for fpwd [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-07-24].
- 14:30:17 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:31:11 [prashant]
- ok i will get in touch with Richard
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- richard: comments to public-i18n-indic
- 14:31:41 [prashant]
- and follow his instructions for fpwd
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- Topic: Encoding
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- richard: discussion about how to have the discussion?
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- ... work through each item and decide if "resolved"?
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- ... Anne has responded to some
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- addison: so we said we'd review, de-dupe, and file bugzilla tickets
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/25
- 14:40:37 [aphillip]
- richard: not just forward to Anne, but try to work forward to a conclusion
- 14:41:23 [r12a]
- s/try to work forward to a conclusion/try to encourage Anne to work forward to a conclusion/
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- issue-149?
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- issue-149 -- Code point definition -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/149
- 14:42:22 [aphillip]
- close issue-149
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- Closed issue-149.
- 14:42:28 [aphillip]
- issue-150?
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- issue-150 -- User agents must not support any other encodings or labels. -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/150
- 14:42:43 [aphillip]
- richard: I'm satisfied on issue-149
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- richard: 150 is old, perhaps very old
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- JcK: would declare many interfaces based on GB code to invalid
- 14:44:20 [aphillip]
- .... may impact other protocols that depend on other encodings or labels
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- richard: understand where Anne's coming from
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- JcK: might merit a SHOULD avoid if at all possible
- 14:45:57 [aphillip]
- richard: can you write a follow-up email?
- 14:47:49 [aphillip]
- richard: probably need to extend 150
- 14:47:50 [r12a]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2012JanMar/0101.html
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- -fsasaki
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- addison: encoding may only apply to interpreting bytes
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- JcK: if there exist Unicode-incompatible encodings "in the wild"
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- ... patches to support those scripts/encodings/countries may be banned from the internet
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- addison: may want to suggest explanatory text to accompany the "strong statement"
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- ... might want to have a separate document we publish that explains
- 15:03:40 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-choosing-encodings.en
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- issue-151?
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- issue-151 -- This algorithm is different from the one defined in section 1.4 of Unicode Technical Standard #22 -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/151
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- richard: comment is moot
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- ... I am satisfied
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- close issue-151
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- Closed issue-151.
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- issue-152?
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- issue-152 -- New content and formats must exclusively use the utf-8 encoding -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/152
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- hi
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- addison: will write a constructive suggestion about issue-152
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- -DavidC
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- richard: extend next week's telecon to get through all items?
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- JcK: at IETF next week
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- next week: half hour longer
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- action: richard: ping martin about test availability and timing
- 15:18:11 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-322 - Ping martin about test availability and timing [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-07-24].
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- Topic: AOB?
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- -aphillip
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- -JcK
- 15:19:08 [r12a]
- zakim, drop richard please
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- Richard is being disconnected
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- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Richard, JcK, aphillip, [IPcaller], fsasaki, DavidC
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- Present: Addison, Richard, Felix, JcK, DavidC, prashant (via IRC)
- 15:19:32 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:19:39 [aphillip]
- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:20:35 [aphillip]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:20:35 [Zakim]
- apparently I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended, aphillip
- 15:20:37 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see aphillip, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
- 15:20:38 [aphillip]
- zakim, bye
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- Zakim has left #i18n
- 15:20:44 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:20:44 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:20:48 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: JcK: send link to "hamza above" ID to public list [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-irc#T14-14-25
- 15:20:48 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: richard: follow up with prashant on what we discussed about preparing Indic document for FPWD [2]
- 15:20:48 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-irc#T14-29-52
- 15:20:48 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: richard: ping martin about test availability and timing [3]
- 15:20:48 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-i18n-irc#T15-18-11