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12:55:41 <phila> zakim, this will be dacg
12:55:41 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DACG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
12:55:48 <phila> chair: Phil
12:55:55 <phila> regrets+ Dan, Jeni
12:56:52 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/data/CG/wiki/Telecon:2014.07.16
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12:59:06 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
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13:02:53 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/rds/charter#deliverables
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13:06:01 <tbaker> q+ to report on http://dcevents.dublincore.org/IntConf/index/pages/view/rdfAP
13:07:12 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/rds/charter
13:08:24 <phila> phila: Welcomed Soeren and gave quick intro
13:08:38 <phila> ... talking about new WGs as we have been talking for a while
13:08:51 <phila> Topic: RDF Data Shapes
13:09:09 <phila> tbaker: Talked about Application profiles - longish history
13:09:25 <phila> ... revival of interest at Sem Web and Libraries in Hamburg last November
13:09:31 <phila> ... started current series of telcons
13:09:40 <phila> ... now a WG on RDF profiles
13:09:49 <phila> ... looking to W3C and what's happening with data Shapes
13:10:07 <phila> ... Session at DC Austin coming up
13:10:18 <phila> ... session on Application profiles, metadata validation
13:10:44 <phila> ... Mark ??? is chairing the session. Incl Kevin Ford from LoC, Eric Miller, Dave Wood etc.
13:11:06 <phila> ... Dave W volunteered to represent ShEx at that event. Thursday 9 Oct.
13:11:27 <phila> ... day before there's a tutorial focussed on App profiles
13:11:41 <phila> ... expecting that to include an update on ShEx etc.
13:12:09 <phila> ... Meetings for that WG are regular and anyone can join
13:12:35 <phila> ... I'm also writing a paper with Karen Coyle that will include a section updating what's happening with ShEx/data Shapes
13:12:44 <phila> ... may be pining this group for input
13:12:50 <phila> s/pining/pinging/
13:13:06 <phila> ... hoping to put some examples in the paper
13:13:12 <phila> ... so I'll be asking (ERIC P) for quality check
13:13:56 <phila> ... seems to be a critical mass of pewople in GLAM looking for solutions like this
13:14:16 <phila> ... I guess we see some discussion about the roles of W3C cf. DCMI
13:14:29 <phila> ... I see it that W3C sets up the tech spec rather than DCMI
13:14:38 <phila> ... Issues, test suites etc.
13:15:10 <phila> ... but there's a lot of interest on DCMI side that the back end will give a nice way ti help people author data shapes on the front end
13:15:20 <phila> ... so that's something I think is most interesting
13:16:08 <phila> phila: Is that going to be useful for LOD stack, Soeren
13:17:22 <phila> S_ren:So this is a schema?
13:17:46 <phila> tbaker: So what's the status of the name ShEx/data Shapes?
13:19:22 <phila> deirdrelee: I'm trying to distinguish between app profiles and data shapes?
13:19:30 <phila> phila: They're same
13:19:40 <phila> tbaker: Anyone used the word template?
13:22:49 <phila> deirdrelee: You mentioned to bridge the gap |-| LD and non-LD approaches
13:23:07 <phila> ... Data on the Web can be non-LD. We're coming across these issues
13:23:25 <phila> ... the RDF data Shapes language, will that include non-LD data?
13:24:00 <phila> deirdrelee: So if data Shapes decribe the sctructure, can it describe other aspects of the data
13:24:35 <phila> ... say an application for a... statitstcial data. That might be in Data Cube, or is SAS or other languages. Can that be in other formats?
13:24:57 <phila> sandro: I don't think so. I think it's only going to be for RDF data (unless the data can be trivially converted to RDF)
13:25:27 <phila> tbaker: We have the same discussion in DCMI - there's a push to generalise beyond RDF. That's not what we did, we kept it focussed on RDF
13:25:39 <phila> ... back in 2008 that was pretty controversioal, less so now
13:25:44 <phila> ... No compliants yet
13:26:45 <phila> Topic: Spatial Data
13:26:45 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/geo-charter
13:30:52 <phila> Topic: The Next WG
13:31:06 <phila> Phila: Talked a bit about LD Fragments
13:31:43 <phila> S_ren: It's a bit controversial. There's a paper in for ISWC. Evaluation suggested it didn't quite meet the claims. I'm still a little sceptical
13:31:48 <phila> sandro: +1
13:32:15 <phila> sandro: It's an important problem. Not convinced it's the right solution. I think it can be used without any standardisation
13:32:45 <phila> ... I guess you could haev servers that only accept LDF queries, ie. trivial queries that any endpoint should be able to handle
13:34:28 <phila> phila: I'm looking for the magic to link LD and non-LD
13:35:22 <phila> sandro: What about Linked API? (discussion)
13:35:46 <phila> sandro: we need people who have been sold on RDF whose customers are not sold on it
13:36:41 <phila> S_ren: So a Q on LD/Non-LD world connection... vocabularies are important
13:37:06 <phila> ... was there an idea to do more on that?
13:37:29 <phila> sandro: I floated a proposal about a year ago. First thing we said was that we can host your vocabs
13:37:51 <phila> sandro: We haven't been as loud as arguably we could. If people really wanted us to do this I think we'd have had more than 1 response
13:38:25 <phila> S_ren: A couple of weeks ago I was with some transport folks. They want to start an initiative to build a vocab around transport - NUTS, transport etc.
13:38:28 <deirdrelee> How about Linked Open Vocabularies? http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/
13:38:33 <phila> ... looking for something like schema.org for mobility
13:38:42 <phila> ... so we're discussing how we could do that
13:39:21 <phila> sandro: We'd be very happy to host those vocabs. And we can provide the usual Comm Group support. If they want to pay they can have staff support
13:39:56 <phila> S_ren: So I know the options. It's very German focussed for now. There's an asociation for these people
13:40:49 <phila> http://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/
13:42:42 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2013/04/vocabs/ W3C Vocabulary Services
13:44:43 <phila> Topic: Success stories
13:45:06 <phila> deirdrelee: We've gopt lots of examples from different domains
13:45:35 <phila> S_ren: We have some commercial deployment of the LOD2 stack which is helpful. Our ambition is that it is used more widely
13:45:48 <phila> ... the DNB and Europeana - lots of data.
13:46:00 <phila> ... DNB ingests 2K+ RDF data sources
13:46:15 <phila> ... that shows the power of Sem Web technologies
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13:48:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Tom_Baker, phila, Sandro, deirdrelee, [IPcaller]
13:48:52 <phila> rrsagent, make logs public
13:49:00 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is S_ren
13:49:00 <Zakim> sorry, phila, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'
13:49:16 <phila> zakim, who is here?
13:49:16 <Zakim> apparently DATA_DACG()9:00AM has ended, phila
13:49:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see S_ren, sandro, RRSAgent, Zakim, tbaker, phila
13:49:26 <phila> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:49:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/16-dacg-minutes.html phila
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