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13:56:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
13:56:05 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_HTML AT()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:06 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:56:06 <trackbot> Date: 30 June 2014
13:56:12 <janina> agenda?
13:59:47 <janina> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Media Sub-Group
13:59:47 <janina> Chair: Janina Sajka
13:59:47 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe
13:59:47 <janina> agenda+ Review Draft comment responses [4]
13:59:47 <janina> agenda+ Process any outstanding comments
13:59:50 <janina> agenda+ Draft remaining comment responses
13:59:52 <janina> agenda+ Second Screen Edits
13:59:55 <janina> agenda+ Full Transcript
13:59:57 <janina> agenda+ Media Description
14:00:14 <Zakim> WAI_HTML AT()10:00AM has now started
14:00:21 <Zakim> +??P7
14:00:26 <janina>  zakim, ??P7 is me
14:00:26 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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14:02:59 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
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14:06:12 <Zakim> +Shane_McCarron
14:06:22 <ShaneM> zakim, I am Shane_McCarron
14:06:22 <Zakim> ok, ShaneM, I now associate you with Shane_McCarron
14:08:14 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
14:08:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
14:08:20 <JF> scribe: JF
14:08:28 <JF> zakim, next item
14:08:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, JF
14:08:34 <JF> zakim, close item 1
14:08:34 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
14:08:35 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:08:35 <Zakim> 2. Review Draft comment responses [from 4 via janina]
14:08:38 <JF> zakim, next item
14:08:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review Draft comment responses" taken up [from 4]
14:09:09 <JF> JS: notes that although we are small in numbers, we should review Marks Comments
14:09:12 <ShaneM> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/MAUR_Comment_Processing#DRAFT_Comment_Responses
14:10:50 <kaz_> zakim, code?
14:10:50 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz_
14:10:57 <kaz_> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:10:57 <Zakim> ok, kaz_; the call is being made
14:10:58 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
14:12:37 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
14:12:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, John_Foliot, Shane_McCarron, Kazuyuki
14:12:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see kaz_, JF, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, trackbot
14:16:11 <JF> JF: discussing the response/comments around Comment 360. JF disagrees with the Proposed Response.
14:16:17 <JF> Lookk at checklist
14:16:18 <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist
14:20:09 <JF> JF: looking at this deeper, it is a User Aeent requirement. When a User wishes to record a video stream, the alternative media streams should also be available to record, either "all in", or from a user-choice menu ("record stream + captions" or "record stream + picture=in=picture")
14:20:16 <JF> JS: making a strong case
14:20:41 <JF> SM: surprised that we never looked at recording in the first place
14:23:31 <JF> JS: seems that we want to modify the response - move this from a Descripitive Video requirement to a "Controls" issue
14:24:03 <ShaneM> Section 4.1 says "Systems supporting keyboard accessibility must:"
14:24:43 <ShaneM> perhaps we can change this to be about "controls" instead of about "keyboards"
14:29:23 <JF> ACTION: on Shane to look at the requirments, and suggest changes
14:29:23 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
14:29:48 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
14:29:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, John_Foliot, Shane_McCarron, Kazuyuki
14:29:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see kaz, JF, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, trackbot
14:30:01 <JF> ACTION: on ShaneM to look at the requirments, and suggest changes
14:30:01 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
14:30:29 <JF> ACTION: on Shane_McCarron to look at the requirments, and suggest changes
14:30:29 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
14:31:37 <JF> SM: any objection to addning a new requirement as KA7 - for "recording requirements"
14:31:53 <JF> JS: none heard, will move forward
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14:32:53 <JF> ACTION: Shane_McCarron to look at the requirments, and suggest changes
14:32:53 <trackbot> Error finding 'Shane_McCarron'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
14:33:13 <JF> ACTION: ShaneM to look at the requirments, and suggest changes
14:33:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-275 - Look at the requirments, and suggest changes [on Shane McCarron - due 2014-07-07].
14:36:50 <JF> SM: on comment 393, typo: s/added/we will add
14:38:12 <JF> JS: any other feedback/comments?
14:38:42 <JF> SM: concerned - to ensure that the work has been done
14:38:49 <JF> JS: go ahead and take the actions we discussed
14:38:59 <JF> SM: will do so, and then commit if we agree
14:39:06 <JF> zakim, next item
14:39:06 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Process any outstanding comments" taken up [from janina]
14:39:26 <JF> zakim, close item 3
14:39:26 <Zakim> agendum 3, Process any outstanding comments, closed
14:39:27 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:39:27 <Zakim> 4. Draft remaining comment responses [from janina]
14:39:43 <JF> agenda?
14:40:03 <JF> Zakim, item 5
14:40:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 5', JF
14:40:12 <JF> zakim, take up item 5
14:40:12 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Second Screen Edits" taken up [from janina]
14:40:45 <JF> JS: there remain a few small edits, which I will need to review
14:40:58 <JF> this group was uncomfrotable with the term "Second Screen"
14:41:12 <ShaneM> section 4.8 is currently entitled "4.8 Requirements on secondary screens and other devices"
14:41:51 <JF> concern is tHat "Second Screen" does not always capture the fact that there might be a third, fourth or fifth screen, or that sometimes there may not actually be a screen
14:42:26 <JF> JS: comfortable with that. Wondering if that will create any problems from the TV IG side?
14:42:48 <JF> Kaz: many TV boradcasters and application vendors are also interested in not just screens
14:42:58 <JF> but other devices in a broader context
14:43:26 <JF> Agree with current naming - it's good
14:44:31 <JF> JF: asking about actual adoption of the term "Secondary Screen"
14:44:40 <JF> Kaz: ya... that is a problem
14:44:58 <JF> "Second Screen" has already started to have real traction
14:46:07 <JF> JF: so do we accept that, and then just ensure that formal documents reflect the fact that Second Screen and Secondary Screen are synonimus (sp)
14:46:32 <JF> JS: add a note that clarrifies this in our documents
14:46:51 <JF> [agreement around]
14:47:44 <JF> JS: suggest that we may be done for the day, due to our low numbers
14:47:56 <JF> JS: end the meeting early
14:48:11 <JF> rrsagent, make logs public
14:48:14 <Zakim> -Shane_McCarron
14:48:16 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
14:48:18 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
14:48:20 <Zakim> -janina
14:48:22 <Zakim> WAI_HTML AT()10:00AM has ended
14:48:22 <Zakim> Attendees were janina, John_Foliot, Shane_McCarron, Kazuyuki
14:48:25 <JF> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/30-html-a11y-media-minutes.html JF
14:48:58 <JF> zakim, please part
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14:49:09 <JF> rrsagent, please part
14:49:09 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/30-html-a11y-media-actions.rdf :
14:49:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: on Shane to look at the requirments, and suggest changes [1]
14:49:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/30-html-a11y-media-irc#T14-29-23
14:49:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: on ShaneM to look at the requirments, and suggest changes [2]
14:49:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/30-html-a11y-media-irc#T14-30-01
14:49:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: on Shane_McCarron to look at the requirments, and suggest changes [3]
14:49:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/30-html-a11y-media-irc#T14-30-29
14:49:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane_McCarron to look at the requirments, and suggest changes [4]
14:49:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/30-html-a11y-media-irc#T14-32-53
14:49:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ShaneM to look at the requirments, and suggest changes [5]
14:49:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/30-html-a11y-media-irc#T14-33-13