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14:50:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
14:50:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
14:50:08 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:50:08 <trackbot> Date: 24 June 2014
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14:51:14 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:51:35 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Jun/0071.html
14:51:41 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
14:51:41 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
14:57:23 <Zakim> +glenn
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15:02:39 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, glenn, +1.415.832.aaaa, markw, Niels_Thorwirth
15:02:45 <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aabb
15:02:53 <Zakim> +ReimundoGarcia
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15:02:53 <joesteele> Zakim, aabb is me
15:02:53 <Zakim> +joesteele; got it
15:03:34 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:04:13 <joesteele> Zakim, aaaa is glenn
15:04:13 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:04:51 <joesteele> Zakim, aaaa is geguechi
15:04:52 <Zakim> sorry, joesteele, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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15:05:02 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Jun/0071.html
15:05:17 <glenn> zakim, who's on the call?
15:05:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, glenn, glenn.a, markw, Niels_Thorwirth, joesteele, ReimundoGarcia, [Microsoft]
15:05:56 <joesteele> scribe: joesteele
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15:06:04 <joesteele> chair: paulc
15:06:18 <joesteele> topic: ACTION ITEMS
15:06:21 <glenn> zakim, glenn.a is geguchi
15:06:21 <Zakim> +geguchi; got it
15:06:32 <paulc> ACTION-59?
15:06:32 <trackbot> ACTION-59 -- Paul Cotton to Coordinate with web apps on the streams api, give them mse requirements and timeline -- due 2013-12-17 -- OPEN
15:06:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/59
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15:06:48 <paulc> ACTION-62?
15:06:48 <trackbot> ACTION-62 -- Paul Cotton to Report back about the plan for 20944 due 2013-12-15 -- due 2013-12-10 -- OPEN
15:06:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/62
15:06:58 <joesteele> paulc: both of these are long outstanding actions
15:07:09 <joesteele> ... believe these are both still open and on me
15:07:22 <joesteele> topic: EME status and bugs
15:07:29 <Zakim> +BobLund
15:07:35 <joesteele> paulc: situation is that EME doc has not been updated in last week
15:07:41 <joesteele> ... bug count has gone up by 2
15:07:44 <paulc> EME bugs: http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
15:07:50 <joesteele> ... probably one new and one reopened
15:07:58 <joesteele> ... might be wirht looking at new one
15:07:59 <paulc> Bug 26118 - Event dictionaries need default values
15:08:51 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26118
15:09:28 <joesteele> paulc: Anne says "event dictionaries need default values"
15:09:37 <markw> q+
15:09:37 <joesteele> ... not sure where in the doc he is pointing to
15:10:06 <joesteele> ?1: if any event types are defined -- generally associated with a JS dictionary -- needs some default values
15:10:21 <joesteele> paulc: maybe provide some links to the spec
15:10:33 <joesteele> markw: I think this is section 3.1 where events are defined
15:10:38 <paulc> See https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#event-definitions
15:10:52 <joesteele> ... dictionaries are optional. If you don't sepcify the dictionary in the constructor what are the values?
15:10:59 <joesteele> ... that seems to be the question
15:11:12 <joesteele> ?1: I see those -- those fields need default values
15:11:25 <joesteele> markw: syntax should be specifying the defaults
15:12:11 <joesteele> ?1: WebIDL provides for restricted values -- e.g. initData type since non-optional, would need a default type, e.g. emtpy string ""
15:12:25 <joesteele> s/?1:/glenn:/
15:12:43 <glenn> s/?1:/glenn:/g
15:12:45 <joesteele> paulc: sounds like an oversight on our use of WebIDL -- asiggned to the editors
15:12:57 <joesteele> topic: Use Case wiki
15:13:13 <joesteele> paulc: status last week was there was more work to do, asking for input
15:13:43 <paulc> Last week's discussion: http://www.w3.org/2014/06/17-html-media-minutes.html#item07
15:13:55 <joesteele> joesteele: did a little more work, did not see any input as yet
15:14:03 <joesteele> ... I will send an email again asking for input
15:14:28 <joesteele> paulc: suggest when you are done -- you will have to post a speciifc request
15:14:34 <joesteele> topic: MSE status and bugs
15:14:59 <paulc> MSE editors draft: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/default/media-source/media-source.html
15:15:07 <joesteele> paulc: Aaron has updated the MSE draft with almost all outstanding requests
15:15:19 <joesteele> ... thinking of doing a heartbeat update
15:15:27 <joesteele> ... no need to request from WG on this
15:15:35 <joesteele> ... any progress offline
15:15:46 <joesteele> jdsmith: Adrian said he will try to do that
15:16:01 <joesteele> ... i.e. publish the heartbeat
15:16:22 <joesteele> paulc: ok so maybe this week, maybe next. Will take 4-5 days after website admin is notified
15:16:30 <joesteele> paulc: one outstanding bug
15:16:30 <paulc> Outstanding bug: Bug 25581 - Establish a update process & home for byte stream format registry and byte stream specs.
15:16:47 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25581
15:16:52 <joesteele> ... created to track the update process for the bytestream registry
15:17:03 <joesteele> ... folded into a discussion from the WG
15:17:17 <joesteele> ... added into the LC draft published 10 days ago
15:17:37 <joesteele> ... concerned about the trick used to introduce this information text
15:17:44 <paulc> In-band track bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25733
15:17:45 <joesteele> ... MSE bug is dependent on this bug
15:18:13 <joesteele> ... Director will give us a ruling -- affects in-band tracks (5.0) also the EME registry
15:18:20 <joesteele> ... EME registry has not been published yet
15:18:45 <joesteele> ... informative reference in normative material is the problem -- need to handle this
15:18:59 <joesteele> ... we did the wrong thing there
15:19:08 <paulc> Editors update: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Jun/0068.html
15:19:09 <joesteele> ... Aaron provided a detailed update on what he has done
15:19:27 <joesteele> topic: MSE test suite status
15:19:30 <paulc> See https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/951
15:19:49 <joesteele> paulc: this has the status of the MSE test suite so far
15:20:01 <joesteele> ... Aaron said none of these are in his ballpark --
15:20:20 <joesteele> ... some items are commented on, some are still open
15:20:30 <joesteele> ... need some progress here
15:21:00 <joesteele> ... someone needs to manage this
15:21:16 <joesteele> ... don't seem to be making progress on answering questions in the original Google submission
15:21:42 <joesteele> ... any volunteers to help get MSE finished? Aaron is doing well to keep the bug count down
15:21:59 <joesteele> ... we need someone to figure out where more tests come from, where we are deficient
15:22:14 <joesteele> ... and answering the questions on the Google tests submitted already
15:22:20 <joesteele> ... any volunteers?
15:22:55 <joesteele> jdsmith: we could review current response, do you need more tests?
15:23:20 <joesteele> paulc: need someone on point for the test suite, keep track of where we are, participate in the dialog
15:23:35 <joesteele> ... does not need to satisfy all the test needs, but needs to know where we stand
15:24:04 <joesteele> ... not a big job, but if we want to get out of CR we must have tests and test results to convince the Director
15:24:22 <joesteele> markw: I will ask around at Netflix for volunteers
15:24:29 <joesteele> paulc: thanks Mark!
15:24:46 <Zakim> +pal
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15:24:49 <joesteele> ... however you would like to handle -- let me know
15:25:02 <joesteele> ... no outstanding bugs
15:25:27 <joesteele> ... have been cases where specs like this have stayed in CR for years without tests
15:26:19 <joesteele> paulc: believe that is the last item on the agenda
15:26:30 <joesteele> topic: other business
15:26:33 <paulc> Date of next Media TF meeting - July 1 or July 8?
15:26:55 <joesteele> paulc: asked last week about this -- folks are away and next Tuesday is Canada Day and I am not available
15:27:33 <joesteele> joesteele: MSE only or EME/MSE?
15:27:45 <joesteele> paulc: think the next should concentrate on EME
15:28:13 <joesteele> joesteele: I am probably not available either day
15:28:52 <joesteele> jdsmith: think we should have it on the 8th
15:29:24 <joesteele> paulc: if editors can make some progress on bugs amd Joe can make some progress on the wiki
15:29:35 <joesteele> ... that is the plan then. Meet on July 8th
15:29:49 <joesteele> ... unless something surprising happens we will cover EME
15:29:58 <joesteele> ... thanks everyone!
15:30:06 <Zakim> -BobLund
15:30:08 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:30:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/24-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:30:09 <Zakim> -ReimundoGarcia
15:30:10 <Zakim> -pal
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15:30:15 <Zakim> -glenn
15:30:16 <Zakim> -joesteele
15:30:17 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:30:18 <joesteele> Zakim, who is here?
15:30:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, geguchi, markw
15:30:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see markw, geguchi, pladd, jdsmith, jamil, joesteele, niels_t, davide, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, glenn, trackbot, wseltzer
15:30:20 <Zakim> -markw
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15:30:59 <joesteele> s/mse requirements/MSE requirements/
15:31:02 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:31:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/24-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:31:17 <joesteele> s/wirht/worth/
15:31:35 <joesteele> s/sepcify/specify/
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15:32:14 <joesteele> s/speciifc/specific/
15:32:16 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
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15:32:35 <joesteele> s/doing a/publishing a/
15:32:36 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
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15:32:59 <joesteele> s/information text/informative text/
15:33:01 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
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15:33:54 <Zakim> -paulc
15:33:55 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
15:33:55 <Zakim> Attendees were paulc, glenn, +1.415.832.aaaa, markw, Niels_Thorwirth, +1.408.536.aabb, ReimundoGarcia, joesteele, [Microsoft], geguchi, BobLund, pal
15:34:07 <joesteele> Zakim, bye
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15:34:13 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:34:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/24-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:34:21 <joesteele> rrsagent, make logs public
15:34:26 <joesteele> rrsagent, bye
15:34:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items