IRC log of aria on 2014-06-23

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16:55:22 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
16:55:22 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
16:55:23 [trackbot]: Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
16:55:23 [trackbot]: Date: 23 June 2014
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16:55:57 [MichaelC]: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0112.html
16:56:01 [MichaelC]: chair: Michael_Cooper
16:56:11 [MichaelC]: regrets: Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Janina_Sajka
16:56:16 [MichaelC]: meeting: ARIA
16:56:40 [MichaelC]: agenda+ Issue 623 Introduce aria-inert for disambiguating modal states https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/623
16:57:04 [MichaelC]: agenda+ Issue 427 Do we want to go for a Element.computedName and/or
16:57:04 [MichaelC]: Element.computedRole? https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/427
16:57:24 [MichaelC]: agenda+ Issue 493 Support undefined without having to have an undefined token
16:57:24 [MichaelC]: value https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/493
16:58:14 [MichaelC]: item 2 = Issue 493 Support undefined without having to have an undefined token value https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/493
16:58:44 [MichaelC]: item 2 = Issue 427 Do we want to go for a Element.computedName and/or Element.computedRole? https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/427
16:59:02 [MichaelC]: agenda+ Name Computation Bullet 3 Confusion https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/522
16:59:16 [MichaelC]: agenda+ Need a way to specify indeterminate set size https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397
16:59:29 [MichaelC]: agenda+ Review Author Musts https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/510
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16:59:46 [MichaelC]: agenda+ Find out why aria-readonly is not on more roles https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/578
17:00:05 [Zakim]: WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM has now started
17:00:12 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft]
17:00:22 [Zakim]: +??P2
17:00:36 [MichaelC]: zakim, Microsoft is Chris_Gallello
17:00:36 [Zakim]: +Chris_Gallello; got it
17:01:04 [MichaelC]: rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:04 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
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17:02:00 [Zakim]: +[GVoice]
17:02:12 [clown]: zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:13 [Zakim]: +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:02:21 [clown]: zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:21 [Zakim]: ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:23 [Zakim]: +Susann_Keohane
17:03:48 [clown]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0091.html
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17:04:45 [Zakim]: + +49.322.110.8.aaaa
17:05:55 [MichaelC]: zakim, aaaa is Stefan_Schnabel
17:05:55 [Zakim]: +Stefan_Schnabel; got it
17:06:32 [Zakim]: +Joanie_Diggs
17:07:04 [MichaelC]: scribe: cgallello
17:07:25 [MichaelC]: zakim, next item
17:07:25 [Zakim]: agendum 1. "Issue 623 Introduce aria-inert for disambiguating modal states https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/623" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:10:28 [cgallello]: Joanie: Somewhere in the history of the bug there's a long discussion on why this should be done. We may want to do something different with states.
17:10:43 [MichaelC]: Discussion in bugzilla https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23350
17:11:02 [cgallello]: joanie: If objects are visible on the screen but not active, taking it out of the tree doesn't make sense.
17:11:32 [Zakim]: +Bryan_Garaventa
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17:11:38 [cgallello]: MichaelC: James' proposal is that aria-hidden and aria-inert wouldn't be pruned from the tree
17:12:00 [Zakim]: +James_Nurthen
17:12:13 [clown]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23350#c14
17:12:14 [jamesn]: zakim, who is on the call?
17:12:14 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Chris_Gallello, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Susann_Keohane, Stefan_Schnabel, Joanie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, James_Nurthen
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17:12:27 [clown]: "In short SENSITIVE state should work for inert subtrees (when subtree is inert then SENSITIVE state is absent). Note, ATK has ENABLED state for disabled controls."
17:12:30 [cgallello]: clown: Proposal is to use ATK's sensitive state
17:12:52 [bgaraventa1979]: zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
17:12:52 [Zakim]: ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
17:14:05 [cgallello]: MichaelC: Difficulty is deciding what inert should be mapped to in HTML, then separate discussion on if we need to create an ARIA property
17:15:25 [Zakim]: +[Apple]
17:15:32 [cgallello]: MichaelC: We need to familiarize ourselves with the background on this topic, then get a clear idea on what the HTML mapping should be. Bug was last discussed Oct 2013.
17:16:08 [Stefan]: +q
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17:17:43 [Stefan]: +q
17:19:51 [cgallello]: James: Two places where this can be used. One is the dialog API - they're working on the dialog element in HTML. There are some javascript methods for dialogs like hiding/showing. All background contents are still focusable. Work around this in ARIA using aria-hidden="true". We either need to make the background no longer focusable or intercept the tab/shift tab. Concept of inert is 'displayed content' but like it's disabled.
17:19:59 [Stefan]: +q
17:20:40 [MichaelC]: ack s
17:20:55 [cgallello]: James: Everything in the inert view would be inert. Even if the dialog was included in the body, you could put inert="false" on the dialog
17:21:05 [joanie]: q+ To ask why not set the dialog to modal so you don't have to set everything outside of it to inert?
17:21:38 [MichaelC]: q+ to ask about the UA implementation issues of temporarily overriding keyboard handling
17:21:52 [joanie]: q-
17:22:32 [jcraig]: q+
17:22:38 [cgallello]: Stefan: Why don't we put a dialog bound modal attribute - I can't see any other good uses for inert.
17:22:44 [jcraig]: ack me
17:23:40 [cgallello]: James: There are other uses. The presentation of carousels is such that you can interact with one at a time but you can still see these other panes even though they're not active.
17:23:57 [cgallello]: James: Even if you mark up with aria-hidden, you'd still need to handle the focusability
17:24:18 [cgallello]: James: when you pop up menus, sometimes the background might be inert. Depends on the platform.
17:24:43 [cgallello]: James: Support having an overridable attribute on menus and dialogs to indicate that it's modal
17:25:29 [cgallello]: Stefan: You don't necessarily need an explicit inert property though
17:26:42 [cgallello]: James: We could make inert the default for dialogs/menus - then it's up to the user agent to determine if the dialog/menu has appeared
17:28:53 [cgallello]: James: The APIs may want to update in order to handle some of this.
17:29:25 [MichaelC]: ack me
17:29:25 [Zakim]: MichaelC, you wanted to ask about the UA implementation issues of temporarily overriding keyboard handling
17:32:07 [cgallello]: MichaelC: Is this too much on the user agent to override keyboard handling?
17:32:18 [jcraig]: summary: this is probably more fitting as a host lang attr
17:32:56 [jcraig]: html@inert
17:33:14 [jcraig]: as opposed to @aria-inert
17:34:25 [cgallello]: Stefan: Seems exceptional that you need to use a mix of html and aria markup
17:34:56 [jcraig]: Q+ to say it looks like @inert is no longer in either html spec
17:35:06 [jcraig]: ack me
17:35:06 [Zakim]: jcraig, you wanted to say it looks like @inert is no longer in either html spec
17:35:13 [jcraig]: http://developers.whatwg.org/editing.html#editing
17:35:22 [jcraig]: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-preview/editing.html
17:36:35 [cgallello]: James: Inert attribute has been taken out (from above links), we may want to work with these WGs and request that inert be brought back in
17:37:09 [Stefan]: The dialog element's showModal() method makes
17:37:19 [Stefan]: use of this mechanism.
17:37:29 [Stefan]: this is what I meant with modal
17:37:33 [Stefan]: attributte
17:37:57 [Stefan]: OK
17:38:05 [Stefan]: got it
17:38:07 [cgallello]: James: We should at least have a modal attribute in ARIA, not sure we'd gain anything by having an inert attribute in ARIA
17:38:24 [Stefan]: +1 to te aria-modal for role=dialog
17:38:48 [jcraig]: issue-433?
17:38:48 [trackbot]: issue-433 -- Vague statement about modal dialog states and properties in APG. -- closed
17:38:48 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/433
17:38:51 [Stefan]: thanks james
17:39:12 [joanie]: +1 for aria-modal from me as well
17:39:21 [clown]: issue-478?
17:39:21 [trackbot]: issue-478 -- Dialog (Non-Modal) design pattern conflicts with browser keys and lacks example -- open
17:39:21 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/478
17:39:34 [clown]: issue-568?
17:39:34 [trackbot]: issue-568 -- Introduce system modal attributes for dialogs -- closed
17:39:34 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/568
17:39:51 [clown]: action-1347?
17:39:51 [trackbot]: action-1347 -- James Craig to Add an attribute for differentiating modal vs non-modal dialogs/menus/etc. (possibly aria-modal) -- due 2014-01-31 -- OPEN
17:39:51 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1347
17:40:18 [Stefan]: yes
17:41:09 [MichaelC]: action-1347: address this in the context of issue-623 as well
17:41:09 [trackbot]: Notes added to action-1347 Add an attribute for differentiating modal vs non-modal dialogs/menus/etc. (possibly aria-modal).
17:41:22 [MichaelC]: issue-623: also impacted by action-1347
17:41:22 [trackbot]: Notes added to issue-623 Consider aria-inert for disambiguation of modal states (re: html|*@inert).
17:41:27 [Stefan]: I think we really need that in ARIA 1.1
17:41:59 [Stefan]: yes it is due to issues we have with Jaws
17:42:04 [Stefan]: and modality
17:42:53 [Stefan]: good :)
17:44:05 [cgallello]: James: Action for us is to raise this in the HTML accessibility task force and the SVG accessibility task force. No way we can make an HTML attribute that can pull event listeners off of nodes. We explicitly kept tabindex out of aria for a specific purpose.
17:44:55 [Stefan]: +1 to ask Steve Faulkner
17:45:09 [jcraig]: or jason kiss
17:46:32 [jcraig]: concerned that @inert was dropped from HTML5; there are implications and potential needs for accessibility that aren't met without it
17:48:00 [MichaelC]: action: cooper to ask an HTML-AAPI editor to bring question of @inert to HTML A11Y TF
17:48:00 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1461 - Ask an html-aapi editor to bring question of @inert to html a11y tf [on Michael Cooper - due 2014-06-30].
17:48:13 [MichaelC]: trackbot, associate action-1461 with issue-623
17:48:14 [trackbot]: action-1461 (Ask an html-aapi editor to bring question of @inert to html a11y tf) associated with issue-623.
17:48:34 [MichaelC]: rrsagent, make minutes
17:48:34 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
17:48:56 [MichaelC]: actioin-1461: see http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-minutes.html
17:48:56 [MichaelC]: action-1461: see http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-minutes.html
17:48:56 [trackbot]: Notes added to action-1461 Ask an html-aapi editor to bring question of @inert to html a11y tf.
17:49:59 [jamesn]: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/editing.html
17:50:03 [cgallello]: jamesn: inert's not in HTML due to lack of implementation
17:50:07 [jamesn]: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/editing.html#inert-subtrees
17:50:43 [cgallello]: jcraig: that's the concept of inert subtrees but not the inert attribute
17:51:17 [cgallello]: note for the minutes - the previously referred to 'James' will now be 'jcraig'
17:52:05 [cgallello]: Zakim, next item
17:52:05 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "Issue 427 Do we want to go for a Element.computedName and/or Element.computedRole? https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/427" taken up
17:52:59 [cgallello]: James: Before ARIA group decides on this we need buy in from accessibility teams from each of the major browsers
17:53:42 [cgallello]: James: Opera isn't a major player in the accessibility space so we don't need them on board. I can work on the webkit side. We need buy in from David's team at Mozilla, Dominic at blink
17:54:31 [cgallello]: jcraig: accessibility code doesn't get run as much on the open web. Screen readers aren't exercising a lot of this extra code. If the user's using additional technology, they can execute the additional codepath.
17:55:05 [cgallello]: jcraig: allowing author to request accessibility property will allow for new codepaths to be run - so potential security vulnerabilities for all rendering engine - that's the discussion that we'd want to have everybody on board
17:55:11 [Zakim]: -Susann_Keohane
17:57:25 [cgallello]: James: We need accessibility teams to buy in enough to discuss with the security teams on the browser side.
17:58:21 [cgallello]: clown: What if we keep to a read only state? Lessens the security risk?
17:58:56 [cgallello]: james: we still need to spin up the accessibility code just to figure out what the role is - if you don't use a screen reader then none of that code gets used at all
18:00:04 [cgallello]: jcraig: we'll spin up accessibility specific code in the web inspector - but that's something that developers have to explicitly enable and run on their own.
18:01:18 [MichaelC]: action: cgallello to discuss computed role with IE team
18:01:19 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1462 - Discuss computed role with ie team [on Christopher Gallello - due 2014-06-30].
18:01:24 [jcraig]: s/vulnerabilities/issues/gi
18:01:36 [MichaelC]: trackbot, associate action-1462 with issue-427
18:01:36 [trackbot]: action-1462 (Discuss computed role with ie team) associated with issue-427.
18:02:00 [jcraig]: s/security/sec/gi
18:02:06 [MichaelC]: action: clown to keep issue-427 on radar for AAPI meetings
18:02:07 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1463 - Keep issue-427 on radar for aapi meetings [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2014-06-30].
18:02:09 [MichaelC]: trackbot, associate action-1463 with issue-427
18:02:10 [trackbot]: action-1463 (Keep issue-427 on radar for aapi meetings) associated with issue-427.
18:02:19 [jcraig]: s/risk/concern/gi
18:03:15 [MichaelC]: action-427: JamesC discussing webkit implementation; DavidB discussing Firefox implementation
18:03:15 [trackbot]: Notes added to action-427 work with Matt on process to update CAPTCHA note.
18:03:35 [MichaelC]: action: dominic to discuss computed role with blink team
18:03:35 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1464 - Discuss computed role with blink team [on Dominic Mazzoni - due 2014-06-30].
18:03:43 [MichaelC]: trackbot, associate action-1464 with issue-427
18:03:44 [trackbot]: action-1464 (Discuss computed role with blink team) associated with issue-427.
18:03:48 [jcraig]: action-1464?
18:03:48 [trackbot]: action-1464 -- Dominic Mazzoni to Discuss computed role with blink team -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN
18:03:49 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1464
18:03:56 [MichaelC]: trackbot, associate action-1464 with issue-427
18:03:56 [trackbot]: action-1464 (Discuss computed role with blink team) associated with issue-427.
18:04:27 [cgallello]: Zakim, next item
18:04:27 [Zakim]: agendum 3. "Issue 493 Support undefined without having to have an undefined token" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:04:40 [jcraig]: action-1464?
18:04:40 [trackbot]: action-1464 -- Dominic Mazzoni to Discuss implications of Element.computedRole() with Blink team -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN
18:04:40 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1464
18:04:56 [jcraig]: action-1463
18:04:56 [trackbot]: action-1463 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Keep issue-427 on radar for aapi meetings -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN
18:04:56 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1463
18:05:59 [jcraig]: action-1335
18:05:59 [trackbot]: action-1335 -- James Craig to Propose edit for issue-493 to explicitly disallow strings matching "" or "undefined" in this sentence: content authors must provide values for required states and properties. -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN
18:05:59 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1335
18:06:45 [cgallello]: MichaelC: Nothing to discuss until action 1335 is completed.
18:07:29 [jcraig]: Content authors must provide a non-empty value for required attributes; this value may not match the format "undefined".
18:08:27 [cgallello]: jcraig: It's an editorial issue - just recrafting one sentence. More for the validator than anything else. This will allow the validator to give more explicit error messages.
18:10:11 [jcraig]: ISSUE-493: When states and properties are required, authors must provide a value; but the explicit value of "undefined" is not prohibited. The empty "" or "undefine" values should prohibited.
18:10:11 [trackbot]: Notes added to ISSUE-493 When states and properties are required, authors must provide a value; but the explicit value of "undefined" is not prohibited. The empty "" or "undefine" values should prohibited..
18:14:00 [cgallello]: jcraig: True/false/undefined has gotten us into a corner. Is there ever a case where undefined is not the default value?
18:14:45 [clown]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-1.1/states_and_properties#aria-selected
18:14:54 [jcraig]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/complete#aria-invalid
18:14:57 [cgallello]: MichaelC: whenever false is allowed, false is default
18:15:36 [jcraig]: action: jcraig or shane to fix default values in 1.1 respec
18:15:36 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1465 - Or shane to fix default values in 1.1 respec [on James Craig - due 2014-06-30].
18:19:28 [jcraig]: action jcraig to verify in 1.1 spec that aria-checked "used in or inherits into roles" should include checkbox
18:19:29 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1466 - Verify in 1.1 spec that aria-checked "used in or inherits into roles" should include checkbox [on James Craig - due 2014-06-30].
18:19:37 [cgallello]: MichaelC: We need to identify what we mean by "undefined" on aria-checked
18:20:16 [cgallello]: MichaelC: To me it's clear that undefined should be the default value
18:20:19 [jcraig]: action-1466: this is an editorial or generator issue in 1.0 Rec. it is listed correctly on the checkbox role
18:20:19 [trackbot]: Notes added to action-1466 Verify in 1.1 spec that aria-checked "used in or inherits into roles" should include checkbox.
18:22:12 [cgallello]: MichaelC: If a developer uses undefined, should the validator flag it?
18:22:33 [cgallello]: jcraig: On some roles, specific properties are required - should undefined be not allowed for those?
18:23:40 [cgallello]: Zakim, next item
18:23:40 [Zakim]: agendum 4. "Name Computation Bullet 3 Confusion https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/522" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:23:43 [jcraig]: issue-522?
18:23:43 [trackbot]: issue-522 -- Name Computation 2A - bullet 3 confusion -- open
18:23:43 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/522
18:24:51 [cgallello]: jamesn: Don't have a clarification proposal but people are getting confused.
18:26:18 [jcraig]: If the element is marked as hidden, skip it. If the element has role presentation or none, proceed to the child contents
18:27:05 [jcraig]: Is that the general clarification you're asking for?
18:28:37 [Zakim]: -Stefan_Schnabel
18:29:35 [cgallello]: jamesn: The description is too complicated right now. Having a flowchart would help.
18:31:10 [cgallello]: jamesn: yes, if role="presentation" was set, it would skip using alt, but it wouldn't necessarily skip using the child content
18:32:42 [MichaelC]: action: jcraig to propose edit to issue-522
18:32:43 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-1467 - Propose edit to issue-522 [on James Craig - due 2014-06-30].
18:32:51 [MichaelC]: trackbot, associate action-1467 with issue-522
18:32:51 [trackbot]: action-1467 (Propose edit to issue-522) associated with issue-522.
18:33:17 [jcraig]: action-1467?
18:33:17 [trackbot]: action-1467 -- James Craig to Propose edit to issue-522 -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN
18:33:17 [trackbot]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1467
18:33:43 [jamesn]: "If aria-labelledby and aria-label are both empty or undefined, check for the presence of an equivalent host language attribute or element for associating a label, and use those mechanisms to determine a text alternative unless the element is marked as presentational (role="presentation")."
18:34:29 [Zakim]: -James_Nurthen
18:34:31 [Zakim]: -Michael_Cooper
18:34:32 [Zakim]: -Joanie_Diggs
18:34:35 [Zakim]: -Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:34:37 [Zakim]: -Bryan_Garaventa
18:36:28 [jcraig]: rrsagent, make minutes
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18:38:39 [jcraig]: zakim, please part
18:38:39 [Zakim]: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Michael_Cooper, Chris_Gallello, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Susann_Keohane, +49.322.110.8.aaaa, Stefan_Schnabel, Joanie_Diggs,
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18:40:55 [jcraig]: Present+ Michael_Cooper, Chris_Gallello, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Susann_Keohane
18:41:15 [jcraig]: Present+ Stefan_Schnabel, Joanie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, James_Nurthen, James_Craig
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18:42:18 [jcraig]: present+ Stefan_Schnabel, Joanie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, James_Nurthen, James_Craig
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18:43:02 [jcraig]: present- +49.322.110.8.aaaa
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18:48:56 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-minutes.html cgallello
18:50:17 [cgallello]: rrsagent, make logs public
18:50:29 [cgallello]: rrsagent, please part
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-actions.rdf :
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: cooper to ask an HTML-AAPI editor to bring question of @inert to HTML A11Y TF [1]
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-irc#T17-48-00
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: cgallello to discuss computed role with IE team [2]
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-irc#T18-01-18
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: clown to keep issue-427 on radar for AAPI meetings [3]
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-irc#T18-02-06
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: dominic to discuss computed role with blink team [4]
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-irc#T18-03-35
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: jcraig or shane to fix default values in 1.1 respec [5]
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-irc#T18-15-36
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: jcraig to propose edit to issue-522 [6]
18:50:29 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/23-aria-irc#T18-32-42