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08:02:54 <jgracia> Meeting: BPMLOD
08:03:38 <jgracia> agenda: https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Teleconference,_19/06/2014#Agenda
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08:07:25 <daveL_> scribe: DaveL
08:08:01 <daveL_> Topic: Quick review of the new products and issues created to organise our next steps.
08:08:35 <daveL_> http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/track/products
08:09:06 <daveL_> jorge: a couple of products identified
08:10:00 <daveL_> ... best practices is one, whihc is under ongoing development
08:10:11 <daveL_> ... the other is the best practice guidelines
08:11:38 <daveL_> daveL: might be helpful to have products at the level of guidelines
08:12:25 <daveL_> jorge: have actually allocated issue to guidelines
08:12:26 <daveL_> http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/track/issues/raised
08:12:32 <daveL_> daveL: agrees
08:12:37 <daveL_> jorge;
08:14:01 <daveL_> jorge: poeple can create their own issues as they greate new guides  or other issues that arise for discussion
08:14:18 <daveL_> topic: Patterns for describing multilingual textual information in LD and ontologies (continuation).
08:14:31 <daveL_> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes#Patterns_for_Textual_information
08:15:50 <daveL_> jorge: p2.1, p2.2, p2.3 - reviews discussion from previous call
08:16:43 <daveL_> ... discussion on p2.2 needing a exmaple of bad practice
08:17:11 <daveL_> ... next step is to document concensus in a report on the patterns
08:17:30 <daveL_> jorge: next is patter 2.4, to be explained by jose
08:17:50 <jgracia> P2.4 Divide longer descriptions
08:18:58 <daveL_> jose: for separating out a longer name into parts, since parts may be multilingual
08:19:38 <daveL_> john: there's no two way mapping between the two however as suggest
08:20:15 <daveL_> jose: its not clear always how to divide that, it depends on the context
08:21:17 <daveL_> jorge: this seems to move to conceptualisation, rather than just the multilingual nature of text
08:21:41 <daveL_> .. so is this different from 2.3/
08:22:02 <daveL_> jose: yes this seems distinct
08:22:26 <daveL_> ... since long descriptions are sometime abused.
08:23:20 <daveL_> john: its a good pattern, but it should be in addition to providing longer descriptions
08:23:57 <daveL_> ... that means these labels should be in addition as annotation to the string.
08:25:36 <daveL_> Davel: could simply annotate string using NIF as best practice
08:26:25 <daveL_> .. also, if this is more about people name, Gary Lefman has doen some work on that that could be included
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08:27:48 <daveL_> Jorge: suggest adapt pattern to specify that this is in addition to long description
08:28:24 <daveL_> ... and also ask Gary to look at providing more info on person names
08:28:30 <daveL_> Gary; agrees
08:28:42 <daveL_> Jose; agrees to reprhase pattern description
08:29:42 <jgracia> present+ Gary, Chaals, Dave, Jorge, Jose, Tomás, Tiziano
08:30:11 <daveL_> action: Gary to provide info on person name models
08:30:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Provide info on person name models [on Gary Lefman - due 2014-06-26].
08:30:46 <daveL_> action: jose to reword pattern 2.4 to reflect that it is additive rather than an alternate to long descriptions
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08:30:51 <GaryLefman> W3C login ID: lefmang
08:31:06 <daveL_> action: Jose to reword pattern 2.4 to reflect that it is additive rather than an alternate to long descriptions
08:31:06 <trackbot> Error finding 'Jose'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/track/users>.
08:31:49 <daveL_> jorge: moving to pattern 2.5
08:32:15 <daveL_> ... jose; an exmaple provided by john
08:32:16 <daveL_> http://www.weso.es/MLODPatterns/Lexical_information.html
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08:33:10 <jgracia> chair: jorge
08:33:35 <daveL_> jose: trying to explain lexical information
08:36:02 <daveL_> daveL: could link long description to example from ontolex using NIF
08:36:43 <jgracia> (this is p2.4 though)
08:37:54 <daveL_> john: can use subterm propery to link a bag of lex term to a longer string
08:39:12 <jgracia> nice to see an example, looks complicated
08:39:20 <daveL_> action; John to provide example of linking long description to lexical entries, using both NIF and subterm
08:39:31 <daveL_> action: John to provide example of linking long description to lexical entries, using both NIF and subterm
08:39:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Provide example of linking long description to lexical entries, using both nif and subterm [on John McCrae - due 2014-06-26].
08:40:07 <daveL_>  action: labra to reword pattern 2.4 to reflect that it is additive rather than an alternate to long descriptions
08:41:51 <daveL_> jorge: also it would be useful to identify condition under which it make sense to follow this pattern and enrich a long description with links to lexical entries
08:41:58 <daveL_> ... asks john
08:43:26 <jgracia> well, not only about enrich longer descriptions but, enriching lexical info of ontology entities in general. under which conditions?
08:45:28 <daveL_> tiziona: for pattern 2.5 NIF could be used
08:46:20 <daveL_> .. but use case isn't clear
08:46:44 <daveL_> jose; use case is perhaps to help localizing the description
08:47:09 <daveL_> ... but we need some clearly use cases for helping with the multilingualism of such long descriptions
08:48:00 <daveL_> jose, just added exmaple
08:48:01 <daveL_> http://www.weso.es/MLODPatterns/Structured_literals.html
08:48:54 <daveL_> ... so perhaps this can feed processing of content in XML
08:50:12 <jgracia> P2.6: structured literals
08:50:37 <jgracia> dave: related to the use case of terminology localisation
08:52:01 <daveL_> daveL: make link to terminology management use cases, where multiword unit are the norm
08:52:40 <daveL_> action: dlewis6 provide examples from terminology domain with multiword unit
08:52:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Provide examples from terminology domain with multiword unit [on David Lewis - due 2014-06-26].
08:53:29 <daveL_> topic: guidelines
08:53:59 <jgracia> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Guidelines_for_LD_generation_of_Language_resources_-_previous_notes
08:54:21 <daveL_> daveL: https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Draft_Guidelines_on_Bitext_as_Linked_Data
08:55:08 <jgracia> Dave, we cannot hear you
08:55:09 <daveL_> https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Management_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
08:59:40 <daveL_> DaveL: happy to get feedback on these
09:00:11 <daveL_> jorge: run out of time to get feedback on reports, babel net is most advanced.
09:00:22 <daveL_> ... but we will pick that up at the next call
09:00:59 <daveL_> ... we can convert these to W3C working docs the template on the github
09:01:14 <daveL_> ... will do a guided tour on the next call
09:02:06 <daveL_> tiziano: can convert to template for next call
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09:02:23 <daveL_> jorge; jose can help also, just send him an email to be added to github
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