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00:01:06 <Travis> Zakim, this will be D3E
00:01:07 <Zakim> ok, Travis; I see RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM scheduled to start now
00:01:13 <Travis> Present+ Travis
00:01:18 <Travis> Present+ masayuki
00:02:06 <Zakim> RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM has now started
00:02:13 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
00:02:15 <Travis> Zakim, [Microsoft] is me
00:02:15 <Zakim> +Travis; got it
00:02:33 <Zakim> + +1.425.936.aaaa
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00:02:54 <Travis> I will need to make this a short call, as I have to run somewhere in 20 minutes...
00:03:15 <Travis> zakim, +1.425.936 is garykac
00:03:15 <Zakim> +garykac; got it
00:03:22 <Travis> Present+ garykac
00:03:41 <Travis> http://status.modern.ie/
00:03:45 <masayuki> Travis: I see, no problem.
00:05:01 <garykac> I updated chromestatus.com with info about Chrome's status
00:05:12 <garykac> I also put in IE and FF info as far as I could.
00:05:28 <garykac> code: http://www.chromestatus.com/features/5228092293382144
00:05:36 <garykac> key: http://www.chromestatus.com/features/4748790720364544
00:06:42 <garykac> For UIEvents, IE's status page has "Identify the physical key being pressed; Query key from layout.", which is the old content that I wrote for chromestatus and is no longer valid.
00:06:50 <garykac> UIEvents no longer has |code|
00:07:13 <garykac> For chromestatus, I update the UIEVent entry: http://www.chromestatus.com/features/5593215650496512
00:07:26 <garykac> To cover just the locale and queryKeyCap stuff
00:07:37 <Travis> That's great. Thanks!
00:09:57 <masayuki> Firefox will rename KeyboardEvent.key value in 33 or 34 for comforming the latest spec. We're discussing the timing.
00:12:16 <masayuki> https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar 33 will be released mid-October, 34 will be released late November
00:12:47 <Travis> Super!
00:17:12 <garykac> Masayuki: is the best place to get FF status on MDN?  Is there anything equivalent to chromestatus.com or status.modern.ie?
00:17:50 <Travis> I landed a change for bug 26019: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dom3events/rev/8034c1f1c711
00:17:55 <Travis> Would love your review.
00:18:30 <masayuki> garykac: When *I* work on the new feature, I update or create the MDN document. Therefore, I can yes for D3E feature.
00:19:01 <garykac> I noticed that it was pretty accurate for |key| and |code|. Thank you for keeping it updated.
00:20:23 <masayuki> garykac: no problem. If you want to confirm the mapping with actual code, you can see...
00:20:48 <masayuki> key mapping: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/shared/NativeKeyToDOMKeyName.h
00:21:34 <masayuki> code mapping: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/shared/NativeKeyToDOMCodeName.h
00:21:58 <Travis> I need to take off now. Let's meet again on July 8th. (Two week break.)
00:22:25 <garykac> So, we're skipping the next two weeks. Sounds good.
00:22:31 <garykac> I don't have much this week.
00:22:32 <masayuki> Travis: Okay.
00:22:38 <Travis> See you all later!
00:22:44 <masayuki> See you.
00:22:46 <garykac> But hopefully we can start talking about testing then.
00:22:55 <Zakim> -Travis
00:22:57 <Zakim> -garykac
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00:22:58 <Zakim> Attendees were Travis, +1.425.936.aaaa, garykac
00:23:07 <masayuki> garykac: could you check this? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24739#c7
00:23:13 <garykac> just a sec
00:23:21 <Travis> RRSAgent: please make the minutes
00:23:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-webapps-minutes.html Travis
00:23:30 <Travis> rrsagent, make logs public
00:23:48 <masayuki> garykac: later is okay for reply of it.
00:24:49 <garykac> If the Sun keyboard has two separate keys, then yes we should have two separate |code| values.
00:25:59 <masayuki> garykac: Yeah, it has.
00:26:32 <garykac> So the Sun keyboard has separate "ContextMenu" and "Props" keys?
00:27:43 <garykac> Where is the ContextMenu key located?
00:28:39 <garykac> I'm looking at: http://iichan.hk/s/src/1355938735862.jpg
00:30:27 <masayuki> Wait a moment, I confirm it.
00:32:58 <masayuki> The "Compose" key is the "ContextMenu" key. Located below the "RightShift" and left of "AltGraph" key.
00:33:35 <masayuki> I confirmed on Japanese Sun keyboard, though.
00:36:19 <garykac> OK. So that key is labelled "Compose" on all the Sun keyboard that I found (Keyboard Type 5, 6 & 7)
00:36:42 <masayuki> Yeah, my Sun keyboard is probably 7.
00:39:24 <garykac> I think that key is probably better named "Compose" since it is Sun specific and the Sun keyboard doesn't have the same keys on the bottom row.  I'll need to add images of the Sun keyboard.
00:41:02 <masayuki> Hmm, but we cannot distinguish whether the keyboard type is Sun or not.
00:41:27 <garykac> Does "compose" use the same USB code as the Context Menu key?
00:41:47 <masayuki> The "Compose" key is just recycles the "ContextMenu"'s scancode :-(
00:41:55 <garykac> OK.
00:41:58 <masayuki> garykac: yes.
00:42:07 <garykac> Then ContextMenu is the best choice.
00:42:33 <garykac> I'll add a note under ContextMenu that the the Sun "Compose" key should use this |code|.
00:42:38 <masayuki> I agree.
00:42:46 <garykac> So, the bottom row of the Sun keyboard would be: CapsLock, AltLeft, OSLeft, Space, OSRight, ContextMenu, AltRight
00:43:20 <garykac> sgtm.  Thanks for catching that -- I'll have to dig up a Sun keyboard for testing.
00:44:01 <masayuki> Yes, the mapping is right.
00:44:07 <garykac> Great.
00:44:18 <garykac> Anyway, I have to run now.  I'll talk to you in a few weeks.
00:44:28 <masayuki> Okay, see you.
00:44:32 <garykac> I'll fix this bug in the next few days.
00:44:44 <masayuki> Thanks in advance!
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12:54:35 <ArtB> RRSAgent, minutes?
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12:54:40 <ArtB> RRSAgent, log?
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12:55:01 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
12:55:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
12:55:35 <ArtB> Title: DOM 3 Events Call
12:55:39 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
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12:56:02 <ArtB> Meeting: DOM 3 Events Call
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12:56:26 <ArtB> RRSAgent, bye
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