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12:25:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:25:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
12:25:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:25:43 <trackbot> Date: 18 June 2014
12:26:40 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2014Jun/0002.html
12:26:46 <shadi> chair: shadi
12:27:12 <shadi> agenda+ WCAG-EM document update
12:27:30 <shadi> agenda+ WCAG-EM Reporting Tool
12:27:32 <shadi> agenda+ Accessibility Support Database
12:27:54 <shadi> agenda+ Comments on WAET
12:28:38 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:28:38 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:28:39 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:28:40 <Zakim> +Shadi
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12:33:58 <Zakim> +??P0
12:35:29 <shadi> zakim, ??p0 is carlos
12:35:29 <Zakim> +carlos; got it
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12:39:30 <Zakim> +??P2
12:39:42 <samuelm> zakim, ??P2 is me
12:39:42 <Zakim> +samuelm; got it
12:39:51 <shadi> agendAß
12:39:55 <shadi> agenda?
12:40:17 <shadi> scribe: shadi
12:40:38 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:40:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "WCAG-EM document update" taken up [from shadi]
12:40:50 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/
12:41:29 <shadi> saz: putting together the final editor draft
12:42:00 <shadi> ...expect to have it ready by Monday 23 June for WG review
12:42:08 <shadi> ...this includes ERT WG review
12:44:02 <shadi> ...want to publish this as final WG Note
12:44:56 <shadi> ...would like comments by 1st July
12:45:10 <shadi> ...did some re-organization and many editorial improvements
12:45:30 <shadi> ...but to our understanding not many substantial changes
12:45:40 <shadi> ...think we closed all comments raised over the previous rounds
12:45:51 <shadi> cv: will try to get someone to review
12:46:38 <shadi> sm: if not many substantial changes as said, then could do the quick review
12:49:33 <shadi> saz: will let you know the outcomes of the review on 2nd July call
12:49:38 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:49:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WCAG-EM Reporting Tool" taken up [from shadi]
12:50:10 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Feature_requirements_for_Interactive_Guide_to_Assist_Managing_Web_Accessibility_Evaluations
12:50:46 <shadi> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-em-report-tool/
12:52:39 <shadi> saz: tool to support users of WCAG-EM
12:52:55 <shadi> ...helps generate reports based on WCAG-EM
12:53:29 <shadi> cv: seems useful
12:55:46 <shadi> saz: uses EARL to record the data
12:56:37 <shadi> ...also extends it with WCAG-EM specific concepts like "structured sample"
12:56:51 <shadi> ...uses JSON serialization to export and import
12:57:30 <shadi> cv: issue that we do not know of a good JavaScript library for RDF
12:57:43 <shadi> ...curious how the developers handle this
13:00:38 <shadi> saz: EC-project called EIII interested in extending this tool by allowing evaluation tools to populate the reports
13:00:59 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:00:59 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Accessibility Support Database" taken up [from shadi]
13:01:14 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/accessibility-support/
13:03:31 <shadi> https://github.com/w3c/wai-axsdb-web/issues
13:06:17 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:06:17 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Comments on WAET" taken up [from shadi]
13:06:34 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2014Jun/0001.html
13:09:30 <shadi> saz: think main point is (1) positioning and explaining what the document does, and (2) using clearer language to make it easier to understand
13:09:42 <shadi> cv: are these show-stoppers? can we address during review?
13:10:09 <Zakim> -carlos
13:12:18 <shadi> saz: concerned that if the purpose and contents of the document is not clearly explained upfront, then people may not realize that it is relevant to them and we may not get any comments
13:12:46 <shadi> sm: need to target tool developers as these are our primary target audience
13:13:14 <shadi> ...comments make sense, especially on clarifying the target
13:13:38 <shadi> ...not sure the proposed suggestions are the correct ones though
13:14:46 <Zakim> +??P0
13:15:18 <shadi> ...need to reach out to tool developers and make sure the document gets to them
13:16:10 <shadi> [[the purpose is to *encourage the development* of more of the features that you describe, rather than just naming and describing potential features]]
13:17:01 <shadi> saz: do we agree with this?
13:18:58 <shadi> cv: not sure why this is an issue
13:20:16 <shadi> ...not mutually exclusive
13:20:50 <shadi> sm: to help developers make informed decisions, rather than to encourage the development of features
13:21:17 <shadi> ...want developers to understand why they are implementing certain features
13:24:59 <shadi> "content that can tested"?
13:26:31 <shadi> "supported content"
13:26:35 <samuelm> "resources under testing"?
13:27:17 <shadi> "traversing content"
13:27:30 <shadi> "fvetching content"
13:28:38 <shadi> action: carlos to brainstrom alternatives for "test subject and its environment"
13:28:38 <trackbot> Error finding 'carlos'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tracker/users>.
13:29:42 <shadi> Topic: Next meeting
13:29:46 <shadi> 2nd July
13:29:51 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:29:55 <Zakim> -??P0
13:30:02 <Zakim> -samuelm
13:30:03 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:30:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, carlos, samuelm
13:36:00 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:36:00 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:36:00 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:36:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:36:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:36:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:36:09 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-er-actions.rdf :
13:36:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: carlos to brainstrom alternatives for "test subject and its environment" [1]
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