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15:25:43 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF
15:25:43 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 35 minutes
15:25:55 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:28:56 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:28:57 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ preview agenda
15:28:59 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ set scribe
15:29:00 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ review actions, groups
15:29:02 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ schedules
15:29:03 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ technology reviews
15:29:05 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ techniques page
15:29:07 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ user group findings
15:29:08 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ technology reviews and approaches: functional approach to inclusion, APIP
15:29:10 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ be done
15:51:18 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:51:24 <Zakim> +??P0
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15:52:54 <Zakim> + +1.508.856.aaaa
15:54:09 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Kinshuk
15:54:26 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P0 is Lisa_Seeman
15:54:26 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
15:54:55 <JohnRochford> zakim, ??P1 is JohnRochford
15:54:55 <Zakim> I already had ??P1 as david_stroup, JohnRochford
15:55:07 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, + +1.508.856.aaaa is JohnRochford
15:55:07 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +1.508.856.aaaa is JohnRochford', Lisa_Seeman
15:55:24 <Lisa_Seeman> 	zakim,  +1.508.856.aaaa is JohnRochford
15:55:24 <Zakim> +JohnRochford; got it
15:58:20 <janina> Hi, Lisa. I'll be moving about during the COGA hour today, but will try to stay on phone.
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15:59:34 <Zakim> + +1.804.749.aabb
16:00:12 <Zakim> +Joseph_O´Conno
16:00:58 <Lisa_Seeman> 	zakim,  +1.804.749.aabb is DebraRue
16:00:58 <Zakim> +DebraRue; got it
16:01:47 <Zakim> +??P8
16:01:53 <Zakim> + +44.203.618.aacc
16:01:55 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford
16:02:13 <ddahl> ddahl has joined #coga
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16:02:29 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
16:02:48 <neilmilliken> neilmilliken has joined #coga
16:03:03 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P8 is slee
16:03:03 <Susann_Keohane> Susann_Keohane has joined #coga
16:03:04 <Zakim> +slee; got it
16:03:06 <Zakim> +??P12
16:03:42 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +44.203.618.aacc is neil
16:03:42 <Zakim> +neil; got it
16:03:46 <Elle_Waters> Elle_Waters has joined #coga
16:03:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:49 <Zakim> + +1.512.659.aadd
16:04:36 <MichaelC> zakim, aadd is Susann_Keohane
16:04:36 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane; got it
16:04:47 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, +1.512.659.aadd is Susann_Keohane
16:04:47 <Zakim> sorry, Susann_Keohane, I do not recognize a party named '+1.512.659.aadd'
16:04:54 <MichaelC> ack me
16:05:06 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:05:10 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [IPcaller] is elle
16:05:10 <Zakim> sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
16:05:14 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Elle_Waters
16:05:14 <Zakim> sorry, MichaelC, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
16:05:26 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:05:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, JohnRochford, DebraRue, Joseph_O´Conno, slee, neil, [GVoice], Michael_Cooper, Susann_Keohane
16:05:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see Elle_Waters, Susann_Keohane, neilmilliken, Tony_Doran_, ddahl, Tony_Doran, JohnRochford, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC, slee, janina, trackbot
16:06:03 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
16:06:08 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [GVoice] is Elle_Waters
16:06:08 <Zakim> +Elle_Waters; got it
16:06:36 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:06:36 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
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16:07:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:07:14 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/
16:07:41 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:07:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, JohnRochford, DebraRue, Joseph_O´Conno, slee, neil, Elle_Waters, Michael_Cooper (muted), Susann_Keohane, Debbie_Dahl, [IPcaller]
16:07:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tony_Doran, Elle_Waters, Susann_Keohane, neilmilliken, Tony_Doran_, ddahl, JohnRochford, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC, slee, janina, trackbot
16:08:07 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is EA_Draffan
16:08:07 <Tony_Doran> Apologies everyone, I can't seem to get a phone connection to hold up.
16:08:08 <Zakim> +EA_Draffan; got it
16:08:24 <JohnRochford> Kinshuk sends his regrets
16:11:02 <JohnRochford> Joseph: Non-vocal gap analysis not yet finished, profiles/personas needed
16:11:55 <Zakim> +Janina
16:12:13 <JohnRochford> Debra: Down Syndrome gap analysis - John Foliot will add content provided by Debra
16:12:30 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:12:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> richardschwerdtfeger has joined #coga
16:13:19 <JohnRochford> Lisa: contacted WebAIM, Jared Smith may join task force
16:13:41 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:15:10 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:15:58 <JohnRochford> Lisa: gap analyses will include technologies in a broader space, from an architectual point of view
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16:17:29 <JohnRochford> Lisa: informal meeting after call about what to put into a gap analysis
16:19:48 <MichaelC> ack me
16:20:03 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
16:20:03 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
16:21:11 <JohnRochford> John & Neil: About autism gap anaylis - new info about profiles/personas to be added this week
16:23:20 <JohnRochford> Lisa: current plan for gap analyses - 6 weeks internal review, 6 weeks external review, disability user groups, technologies review
16:23:34 <Zakim> -EA_Draffan
16:24:07 <JohnRochford> Lisa: pre-review and review of background research before submission to parent groups
16:24:41 <JohnRochford> Lisa: timeframe = about 3 months
16:25:16 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Are people comfortable with this timeline?
16:25:53 <JohnRochford> Lisa: time frame of 3 months started last week
16:26:54 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Reports#June_2014_-_Task_Force_Report
16:27:42 <JohnRochford> Rich: Do we have a criteria by which we will evaluate the gap analyses?
16:27:43 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Introduction#Methodology_in_User_Research
16:28:39 <JohnRochford> Lisa: responds to Rich by providing web addresses of examples
16:30:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkuU97mmSy0mdGMxRm5IdVVOUllhTThqeE9tYnZuMnc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
16:31:35 <JohnRochford> Rich: Web address is to example of what he thinks is needed for gap analyses
16:32:50 <JohnRochford> Rich: Task Force is welcome to use anything from the info he just provided
16:34:31 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Does anyone prefer to hold out on short summaries until metrics of technologies are decided?
16:38:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1
16:38:39 <Elle_Waters> I think that's best, yes.
16:38:51 <Ryladog> +1
16:39:19 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:40:36 <Zakim> -Janina
16:41:06 <neilmilliken> q+
16:45:02 <neilmilliken> I would like a skeleton
16:45:13 <neilmilliken> with limited info and links
16:45:29 <neilmilliken> not a finished summary.
16:46:34 <Lisa_Seeman> Q?
16:46:44 <neilmilliken> q-
16:47:14 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Proposition 1: Hold out on summaries until tech piece.
16:47:35 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Proposition 2: Iterative approach to summaries first
16:47:39 <Lisa_Seeman>  1. hold out on short summaries until metrics of technologies are decided?
16:47:41 <Lisa_Seeman> 2. iterative approach  and summaries  now.
16:49:05 <JohnRochford> Lisa: summaries refer to technologies such as GPII and Fluid
16:49:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1 to 2
16:49:38 <neilmilliken> 2 for me
16:49:42 <Elle_Waters> 2 is good for me
16:49:47 <JohnRochford> +1 to 2
16:49:48 <slee> 2
16:49:49 <Elle_Waters> (as long as we actually iterate! :)  )
16:49:58 <ddahl> 2 for me
16:50:36 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Motion for proposition 2 has been carried
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16:50:48 <Lisa_Seeman>     Assistive technologies such as AAC and AAC core vocabularies
16:50:49 <Lisa_Seeman>     Reading techs
16:50:51 <Lisa_Seeman>     Adaptability
16:50:53 <Lisa_Seeman>     APIP and IMS
16:50:54 <Lisa_Seeman>     Daisy and epub
16:50:56 <Lisa_Seeman>     Aria
16:50:57 <Lisa_Seeman>     Indi ui
16:50:59 <Lisa_Seeman>     Fluid
16:51:00 <Lisa_Seeman>     ISO
16:51:02 <Lisa_Seeman>     Voice ML and menu systems
16:51:03 <Lisa_Seeman>     RDFA
16:51:05 <Lisa_Seeman>     Web Security (Including CAPTUR)
16:51:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:51:06 <Lisa_Seeman>     Web RTC (real time communications)
16:51:08 <Lisa_Seeman>     WCAG
16:51:09 <Lisa_Seeman>     Access for all and GPII
16:51:11 <Lisa_Seeman>     EMMA
16:51:12 <Lisa_Seeman> Also see HTML 5 wishlist
16:51:20 <Ryladog>  +1 to 2
16:51:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> ISO?
16:51:39 <Zakim> +??P13
16:51:50 <janina> zakim, ??P13 is me
16:51:50 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:52:45 <EA> EA has joined #coga
16:52:56 <slee> ISO 24751
16:54:05 <Ryladog> http://www.imsglobal.org/accessibility/
16:54:33 <Lisa_Seeman> add userbility knowlage
16:54:57 <neilmilliken> agree with elle there are various strands
16:55:09 <neilmilliken> I have already done som cross over mapping
16:55:26 <neilmilliken> elle do you want to work with me on this?
16:55:43 <Zakim> -DebraRue
16:55:45 <Lisa_Seeman> action: elle do useability review  - step 1:  defining scope and terms
16:55:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Do useability review  - step 1:  defining scope and terms [on Elle Waters - due 2014-06-23].
16:55:58 <JohnRochford> Elle: Wants feedback about defining terms and scope
16:56:02 <JohnRochford> 9mostly)
16:56:41 <neilmilliken> q+
16:56:43 <JohnRochford> Elle: wants feedback mostly about defining terminoligy and language
16:57:34 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:57:39 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:58:01 <Zakim> -janina
16:58:06 <EA> Readability scores - Flesch and Fog Analysis?
16:58:08 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:58:39 <slee> EA: yes that sort of thing
16:59:09 <slee> and tools that support them
16:59:18 <EA> Readability tends to measure the length of words used in sentences and scores on that basis - so could be used for saying how easy a piece of text might be.
17:00:36 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:00:36 <Elle_Waters> elle@simplyaccessible.com
17:00:43 <JohnRochford> rrsagent, stop log
17:00:43 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop log', JohnRochford.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:00:44 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Dyslexia
17:00:50 <Zakim> -neil
17:01:47 <Zakim> -JohnRochford
17:12:27 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
17:14:09 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Introduction#Methodology_in_User_Research
17:16:07 <EA> How do we gather information from users with Aphasia etc when we do not have ethics?   I think I could only do it from experience and friends
17:34:53 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/
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17:39:33 <josephoconnor> Lisa, can you send the last link again?
17:41:21 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
17:41:24 <Zakim> -slee
17:41:26 <Zakim> -Elle_Waters
17:41:27 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:41:28 <Zakim> -Joseph_O´Conno
17:41:30 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has ended
17:41:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Lisa_Seeman, JohnRochford, Joseph_O´Conno, DebraRue, slee, Michael_Cooper, neil, +1.512.659.aadd, Susann_Keohane, Debbie_Dahl, Elle_Waters, EA_Draffan, Janina,
17:41:30 <Zakim> ... Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Katie_Haritos-Shea, [IPcaller]
17:41:31 <Elle_Waters> cheers!
17:41:38 <slee> :)
17:41:47 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
17:41:59 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:41:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/16-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:42:04 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
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17:42:06 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:42:06 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/16-coga-actions.rdf :
17:42:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: elle do useability review  - step 1:  defining scope and terms [1]
17:42:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/16-coga-irc#T16-55-45