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15:36:15 <Lisa_Seeman> Chair:Lisa_Seeman
15:36:16 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:36:18 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ preview agenda
15:36:19 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ set scribe
15:36:21 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ review actions, groups
15:36:22 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ think about schedules
15:36:24 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ user group findings (if ready)
15:36:25 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ what other technologies and approaches should we be reviewing
15:36:27 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ continuation of discussion on how to present techniques
15:36:29 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
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15:39:13 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:39:13 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 21 minutes
15:39:25 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:39:55 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:39:56 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ set scribe
15:39:58 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ review actions, groups
15:39:59 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ think about schedules, tpac
15:40:01 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ user group findings (if ready)
15:40:03 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ what other technologies and approaches should we be reviewing
15:40:04 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ continuation of discussion on how to present techniques
15:40:06 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
15:42:17 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: EA Draffan, John Rochford, Tim Boland , maybe Liddy
15:50:56 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:51:03 <Zakim> +??P0
15:55:33 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P0 is Lisa_Seeman
15:55:33 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
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15:59:19 <Tony_Doran> Hi Folks - British Telecom are in my street at the moment, my connection has been flakey for the last hour and landline phone
15:59:33 <Lisa_Seeman> sorry to here that...
15:59:34 <Tony_Doran> Apologies if I drop out
15:59:55 <Tony_Doran> Anytime I see a BT van I know someone is in for some fun :)
16:00:04 <Lisa_Seeman> :)
16:00:14 <Lisa_Seeman> That is one way to look at it
16:00:25 <Lisa_Seeman> r u calling in?
16:00:48 <Zakim> + +44.203.618.aaaa
16:01:21 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aabb
16:01:26 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +44.203.618.aaaa is Neil
16:01:26 <Zakim> +Neil; got it
16:01:26 <Tony_Doran> Trying to now
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16:02:10 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +44.289.442.aabb is tony_doran
16:02:10 <Zakim> +tony_doran; got it
16:02:13 <Zakim> +Mary_Jo_Mueller
16:02:58 <neilmilliken> +44.203.618.aabb is neilmilliken
16:03:03 <slee> Hi folks - can I be included?
16:03:22 <Lisa_Seeman> hi steve _
16:03:23 <neilmilliken> zakim, +44.203.618.aabb is neilmilliken
16:03:23 <Zakim> sorry, neilmilliken, I do not recognize a party named '+44.203.618.aabb'
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16:04:11 <Lisa_Seeman> steve can u call in
16:04:20 <slee> oops forgot it's Zakim
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16:05:27 <MaryJo> scribe: MaryJo
16:06:03 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, Neil, tony_doran, Mary_Jo_Mueller
16:06:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddahl, MaryJo, neilmilliken, Tony_Doran, Zakim, RRSAgent, Lisa_Seeman, SuzanneT, MichaelC, slee, janina_, trackbot
16:06:13 <Zakim> +??P4
16:06:40 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P4 may be slee
16:06:40 <Zakim> +slee?; got it
16:06:41 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
16:07:05 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
16:07:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "set scribe" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:07:22 <Zakim> + +1.512.659.aacc
16:07:26 <MaryJo> zakim,close item 1
16:07:26 <Zakim> agendum 1, set scribe, closed
16:07:27 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:07:27 <Zakim> 2. review actions, groups [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:07:38 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
16:07:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "review actions, groups" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:07:38 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/
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16:09:03 <MaryJo> LS: We'll have to start setting schedules for our disability groups, as no one on the call has any progress to note.
16:09:43 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, aacc is Susann_Keohane
16:09:43 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane; got it
16:11:04 <MaryJo> LS: Action item is a review of APIP to analyze that research, but Suzanne Taylor isn't on the call.
16:11:23 <MaryJo> zakim,next item
16:11:23 <Zakim> agendum 3. "think about schedules, tpac" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:11:59 <MaryJo> LS: Scheduling is a process. We need to do the gap analysis and the WCAG and PF working groups will need to review it.
16:12:00 <neilmilliken> We've been working with John Rochford on Autism - we have made progress on user scenarios.
16:12:19 <MaryJo> LS: They are wondering where we are at in our work and when we'll have something for them to review.
16:13:01 <MaryJo> LS: We need to analyze what is missing.  We need to know when each sub-group will have a draft.
16:13:37 <MaryJo> LS: Lisa is willing to help pull together the drafts to bring forward to the working groups.
16:14:13 <MaryJo> s/will have a draft/will have a draft of the gap analysis/
16:14:25 <neilmilliken> Q+
16:14:30 <MaryJo> LS: Needs group input to set up a schedule.
16:15:24 <ddahl> q+ to ask if we plan to publish several drafts as we collect sections
16:16:28 <MaryJo> NM: Perhaps we can provide the work we've done so far into manageable pieces to send to the working groups to review, instead of waiting to have everything ready.
16:17:30 <MaryJo> LS: GPII and Access for All work should be written up in the wiki like we did with APII.
16:18:07 <MaryJo> LS: With a view of how we can use it in the future cognitive work.
16:18:16 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Lisa ping steve on actions on GPII and access 4 all review
16:18:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Ping steve on actions on gpii and access 4 all review [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-06-16].
16:19:19 <MaryJo> Steve: Can get a draft out in about two weeks.
16:20:48 <MaryJo> LS: For Neil's suggestion, need to put together a schedule for the literary review and the useful technologies and then the other gap analysis sections can come later.
16:21:04 <MaryJo> LS: What should be in the background research sections?
16:21:58 <MaryJo> LS: There are 5 sections to the gap analysis, so the background research is for the analysis of the use cases.  When should we target those sections being complete?
16:23:09 <MaryJo> LS: Question raised about how in-depth these research sections should be. The dyslexia and discalculia sections can be used as a guide.
16:24:30 <MaryJo> LS: This is a high level discussion of research areas, and in-depth analysis in user stories of these users when they use technology and the web.
16:25:09 <neilmilliken> Q+
16:25:09 <MaryJo> LS: Technology analysis can also be high level with links.  The analysis of the challenges should be more in-depth.
16:26:54 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Dyslexia
16:28:08 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:28:43 <MaryJo> DD: Break up the work into what we want to publish first, and then later publish what we want to add.
16:30:07 <MaryJo> NM: Have done some work regarding different cognitive difficulties around autism and for dementia and aging and need access to the wiki.
16:30:55 <Lisa_Seeman>  ack dd
16:30:55 <Zakim> ddahl, you wanted to ask if we plan to publish several drafts as we collect sections
16:31:11 <Lisa_Seeman> ACK ne
16:31:58 <MaryJo> NM: Not sure how to chunk the sections and what will be due when or if we should draft everything to get initial feedback.
16:33:27 <MaryJo> LS: Would like to put out a first draft of section 2 in three months.
16:34:19 <MaryJo> LS: That means that we would have an internal review in 6 weeks and have time to incorporate our group's feedback before publishing the draft.
16:35:02 <MaryJo> LS: We'll need group buy-in on this, so will send out an email to the TF.
16:35:03 <Zakim> +tony_doran.a
16:35:10 <Tony_Doran> I am sorry call is dropping a lot
16:36:44 <slee> what is that? KeyPac?
16:36:56 <MaryJo> LS: We should try to do a F2F at TPAC, or else schedule another F2F.  TPAC is the end of October, but we'll have trouble getting a meeting room.
16:37:34 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:37:41 <MaryJo> LS: If we could meet the day before TPAC or day after that would be good.  Should we meet before TPAC since it is 4 months away?
16:38:22 <slee> MaryJo: So it's "TPAC" thanks
16:38:38 <MaryJo> NM: TPAC will probably be the best timing since people will be on holiday in August.
16:39:19 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
16:39:19 <Zakim> agendum 4. "user group findings (if ready)" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:39:46 <MaryJo> LS: W3C is using GitHub more than the wiki for the documents. Should we switch to GitHub?
16:40:09 <MaryJo> LS: Some people don't like the wiki, so we could check into porting over to GitHub.
16:40:21 <MaryJo> LS: Will check to see if this is an option
16:40:39 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
16:40:39 <Zakim> agendum 5. "what other technologies and approaches should we be reviewing" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:41:30 <slee> I don;t see the direct relationship between a wiki (shared doc) and git hub (version control + issues + web pages)
16:41:32 <Lisa_Seeman> action: cynthia do review aria
16:41:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Do review aria [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-06-16].
16:41:38 <MaryJo> LS: Possibly IDSA, WAI-ARIA (Cynthia Shelley), Fluid (Rich)
16:41:54 <MaryJo> s/Shelley/Shelly/
16:42:03 <Lisa_Seeman> action: rich review fluid
16:42:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Review fluid [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2014-06-16].
16:42:18 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa review RDFA
16:42:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Review rdfa [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-06-16].
16:43:57 <MaryJo> SK: For user groups - Will be looking into ADD/ADHD with Mary Jo, but hasn't gotten started yet.
16:44:14 <MaryJo> s/hasn't/haven't/
16:45:44 <neilmilliken> Liddy was talking about globish
16:45:50 <MaryJo> DD: We could look at speech and language technologies that do language simplification.  These may not be mature enough today, but are maturing.
16:46:02 <Tony_Doran> Agree on the simplification
16:46:27 <Tony_Doran> Summarisation has moved a fair bit in the last few years
16:46:33 <MaryJo> DD: There are also summarization technologies that are better than language simplification, readability calculations, and others.
16:46:34 <Lisa_Seeman> action: ddahl: simplification tech review
16:46:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Simplification tech review [on Deborah Dahl - due 2014-06-16].
16:47:03 <neilmilliken> tony are you volunteering :-)?
16:47:03 <MaryJo> DD: These technologies could be helpful for cognitive disabilities, such as dyslexia.
16:48:03 <Lisa_Seeman> tony do you want to review how reading level mesurements help ?
16:48:05 <Lisa_Seeman> 
16:48:21 <MaryJo> s/mesurements/measurements/
16:50:24 <MaryJo> NM: There's a lot of technologies out there that we may not be aware of. May need to put out a note to wider group to gather knowledge about that.
16:50:57 <neilmilliken> https://webmail.it-solutions.atos.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=K-Qzlbd740C2MsOQXYTnUmgz_gaTV9EIMWCcvYEFPrZ6bakstZSwamR0zM96YFW75Mq_Y1tXQIs.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.alltogetherwecan.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2014%2f05%2fiPad-Apps-for-Complex-Communication-Support-Needs.pdf
16:51:04 <MaryJo> LS: Need someone to look into IndieUI as well.
16:51:31 <Lisa_Seeman> http://accessibility.athena-ict.com/TechniquesCOGA.html
16:51:57 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Good_and_bad_practices
16:52:17 <neilmilliken> http://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/#/
16:52:51 <neilmilliken> http://www.alltogetherwecan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/iPad-Apps-for-Complex-Communication-Support-Needs.pdf
16:55:18 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
16:55:18 <Zakim> agendum 6. "continuation of discussion on how to present techniques" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:55:34 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Good_and_bad_practices
16:55:45 <Lisa_Seeman> http://accessibility.athena-ict.com/TechniquesCOGA.html
16:56:15 <MaryJo> The second link has a more traditional heading structure.
16:56:37 <MaryJo> s/The second link/LS: The second link/
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16:57:16 <MaryJo> LS: As we go through the user groups and begin coming up with techniqes to help, this is a draft about how to possibly document them.
16:57:42 <MaryJo> LS: This is more about cognitive functions rather than disability names.
16:58:43 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
17:00:12 <Tony_Doran> Sorry folks my call dropped and I can't get back in as it's late
17:00:33 <MaryJo> LS: Would like to get feedback on which structure/way to document is better. There is a list of WCAG criteria that would need to be met to address the user needs of people with cognitive disabilities.
17:01:19 <MaryJo> LS: It would be used to collect ideas as we are working on our disability type, so we don't lose these types of thoughts as we are working.
17:02:24 <MaryJo> LS: We aren't working on making this complete just yet.
17:03:08 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:03:10 <slee> q?
17:03:31 <slee> q+
17:04:09 <neilmilliken> I have to go now see you next week
17:04:39 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=67703&public=1
17:05:06 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:05:11 <MaryJo> zakim, bye
17:05:11 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Lisa_Seeman, Neil, tony_doran, Mary_Jo_Mueller, slee?, Debbie_Dahl, +1.512.659.aacc, Susann_Keohane
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17:05:19 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
17:05:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/09-coga-minutes.html MaryJo
17:05:44 <slee> Thanks all
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20:01:56 <MaryJo> Meeting: Cognitive Task Force
20:02:03 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
20:02:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/09-coga-minutes.html MaryJo
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