IRC log of i18n on 2014-06-05

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 05 June 2014
14:00:29 [r12a]
zakim, this will be i18n
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ok, r12a, I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM already started
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zakim, dial richard please
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see +1.781.221.aaaa, Richard (muted)
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Leandro, matial, r12a, trackbot
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zakim, ??p34 is me
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+matial; got it
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zakim, code
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I don't understand 'code', aphillip
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 4186 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, aphillip
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zakim, +1 is Leandro
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+Leandro; got it
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Leandro, Richard, matial
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On IRC I see aphillip, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, Leandro, matial, r12a, trackbot
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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rrsagent, set logs world
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Regrets: Felix
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Leandro, Richard, matial, aphillip
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On IRC I see aphillip, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, Leandro, matial, r12a, trackbot
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Topic: Agenda
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Topic: Action Items
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action-251 -- Addison Phillips to Contact the epub folks and see if they will write to html asking about ruby -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN
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14:07:36 [aphillip]
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action-252 -- Felix Sasaki to Ping dita folks about contacting html5 about ruby progress -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN
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14:08:25 [aphillip]
close action-302
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Closed action-302.
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richard: need to announce these
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close action-307
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Closed action-307.
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action: addison: talk to susan about tpac arrangements
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Created ACTION-311 - Talk to susan about tpac arrangements [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-12].
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close action-309
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Closed action-309.
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close action-310
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Closed action-310.
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Topic: Info Share
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chair: welcoming Leandro from Adobe
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leandro: been on globalization team of Adobe since 1996
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... involved with I18N of our products
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... have an internal website about internationalization
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... the "globalization report card"
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... currently the globalization architect for digital marketing product
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... working on bidi in one of our products
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... thanks for having me here
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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richard: published last call for Encoding
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richard: just been working on tests for @dir
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... in HTML to check that it does isolation
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... talked to Aharon
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... he won't have time to develop tests
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richard: looked at encoding tests
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JcK: precis document
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... which seems to encourage every protocol to have its own character rules
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... being hotly debated
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richard: universal access discussion in oman
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... the above link is the blog post trip report about it
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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Topic: RADAR
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State Chart XML (SCXML): State Machine Notation for Control Abstraction
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Topic: Review of CSS-Variables and Tracking-DNT
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issue-346 -- Section 5.2 use of %31 and %30 for characters 1 and 0 -- open
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issue-347 -- Section 5.2: DNT-extension excludes should spell out control, space, double quote. -- open
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issue-348 -- Non-ASCII not permitted in extensions -- open
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14:22:17 [aphillip]
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issue-349 -- Section title for 6.2.7 doesn't match earlier description -- open
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issue-350 -- IRI/non-ASCII not permitted in -- open
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14:23:03 [aphillip]
Section 6.3.2: The grammar doesn't allow %, so the path to the DNT value cannot include non-ASCII characters that are percent encoded (neither can it be an IRI). A tracking resource might be named for some actual resource that uses non-ASCII characters in its name. Not permitting non-ASCII directly or via URI percent escapes limits what can be represented.
14:23:25 [aphillip]
richard: add document links too, please
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issue-351 -- Section 6.4.2: restriction to "URI-safe characters" -- open
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14:24:07 [aphillip]
Section 6.4.2: Use of "URI-safe characters" (non-ASCII support). Since a site may wish to associate the tracking status with specific resources and since these resources might be named using non-ASCII characters, this appears to limit usage in a non-helpful way?
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14:27:24 [matial]
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addison: any objections to making these WG comments?
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jck: no objection
14:27:37 [David]
no objection
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... be a little cautious about adopting non-ASCII everywhere
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14:29:15 [trackbot]
issue-352 -- normalization of custom property names -- open
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14:29:34 [aphillip]
Section 2 says in part: <quote> Unlike other CSS properties, custom property names are case-sensitive. EXAMPLE. While both --foo and --FOO are valid, they are distinct properties - using var(--foo) will refer to the first one, while using var(--FOO) will refer to the second. </quote> Case sensitivity is not the only variation that can apply to text. While citing the case sensitivity is useful, should mention be made of other variations, such as Unicode[CUT]
14:30:32 [aphillip]
addison: anne had a good comment on this, but suggest a health warning
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issue-353 -- Section 2.1 case sensitivity and normalization -- open
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addison: any objection to making these WG comments?
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Topic: Encoding
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addison: we did publish and announce to chairs@
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richard: if anyone feels like wrigting some tests
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... this is your big chance
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... looked at some tests we have already
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... focus on recognizing encoding correctly
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... and the characters in each encoding
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... need to tests the api parts
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richard: some tests not completely accurate
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... think about format of tests
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... single byte all in a single test
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... some pass, some fail
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... need to separate
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... put into standard format for html test suite
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... and generate results too!
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richard: need to talk to people about this
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... robin berjon would be happy to help us start
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... he'll be back in a week or so
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richard: in the meantime... please to read and comment
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richard: need to respond to all comments, including dispostion
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14:41:32 [aphillip]
action: richard: talk to Dom about adding status tracking stuff to tracker for encoding last call purposes
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Created ACTION-312 - Talk to dom about adding status tracking stuff to tracker for encoding last call purposes [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-06-12].
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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Topic: CharMod
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Topic: Review Rules
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richard: process for raising issues in reviews
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... was more complicated than it needed to be
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... so addison and I simplified some things
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... and we simplied the product lists
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14:44:21 [aphillip]
richard: if you look at this, you can see we've gotten rid of .prep, .adhoc, etc.
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... moved any issues into named products
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... makes it easier to find anything
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richard: rewrote process
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... at the link to follow
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richard: much shorter and simpler
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... so now we need people to go review some documents and try it out
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... we have tended previously
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... the initial posts went to public-i18n-core list
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... but please look out for those emails
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... and raise objections
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... and commenters should send addison an agenda+
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... give some time so people have time to read them
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... and we'll discuss in the teleconference
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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Topic: CharMod
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addison: would like to go "first public working draft"
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richard: pubrules, link checker, etc.
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Topic: AOB?
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richard: no
14:55:51 [aphillip]
s/no/uh? no/
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
14:56:20 [r12a]
zakim, drop richard
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Richard is being disconnected
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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +1.781.221.aaaa, Richard, matial, Leandro, aphillip, JcK
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Present: Addison, Richard, leandro, Mati, David (via IRC)
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: addison: talk to susan about tpac arrangements [1]
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recorded in
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ACTION: richard: talk to Dom about adding status tracking stuff to tracker for encoding last call purposes [2]
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recorded in