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16:00:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:00:31 <trackbot> Date: 05 June 2014
16:00:37 <olivier> Meeting: Audio WG Teleconference
16:00:37 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014AprJun/0073.html
16:00:37 <olivier> Agenda+ Review of action items https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/agenda
16:00:37 <olivier> Agenda+ Github issues taxonomy https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues
16:00:38 <olivier> Agenda+ Oscillator types are not defined https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/104
16:00:40 <olivier> Agenda+ High order filters https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/323
16:00:43 <olivier> Agenda+ Loop event https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/267
16:02:16 <joe> joe has joined #audio
16:02:27 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
16:03:18 <Zakim> sorry, olivier, I don't know what conference this is
16:03:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see joe, Zakim, RRSAgent, gmandyam, rtoyg_, kawai, colinbdclark, rtoyg, paul___irish, olivier, mdjp, shepazu, toyoshiAw, slightlyoff, cwilso, Domenic, padenot, trackbot
16:03:31 <olivier> zakim, this is audio
16:03:31 <Zakim> ok, olivier; that matches RWC_Audio()12:00PM
16:03:33 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
16:03:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.650.214.aaaa, ??P3, gmandyam, +1.617.455.aabb, +44.303.040.aacc, Doug_Schepers
16:03:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see joe, Zakim, RRSAgent, gmandyam, rtoyg_, kawai, colinbdclark, rtoyg, paul___irish, olivier, mdjp, shepazu, toyoshiAw, slightlyoff, cwilso, Domenic, padenot, trackbot
16:03:43 <olivier> zakim, aacc is me
16:03:44 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
16:04:45 <olivier> zakim, aaaa is rtoyg_
16:04:45 <Zakim> +rtoyg_; got it
16:04:54 <olivier> zakim, aabb is joe
16:04:54 <Zakim> +joe; got it
16:05:13 <olivier> zakim, P3 is jer
16:05:13 <Zakim> sorry, olivier, I do not recognize a party named 'P3'
16:05:17 <olivier> zakim, ??P3 is jer
16:05:17 <Zakim> +jer; got it
16:05:30 <olivier> agenda?
16:05:51 <olivier> Regrets: cwilso
16:06:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:06:42 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is kawai
16:06:42 <Zakim> +kawai; got it
16:07:58 <padenot> hrm, I'm late, one sec
16:08:03 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:08:03 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review of action items https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/agenda" taken up [from olivier]
16:08:14 <olivier> action-100
16:08:14 <trackbot> action-100 -- Olivier Thereaux to Organise cfc for constructors -- due 2014-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:08:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/100
16:08:21 <olivier> action-100 closed
16:08:22 <trackbot> Closed action-100.
16:08:48 <olivier> action-97
16:08:48 <trackbot> action-97 -- Olivier Thereaux to Start spreadsheet to triage issues for webaudio api -- due 2014-04-10 -- OPEN
16:08:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/97
16:09:11 <olivier> action-98
16:09:11 <trackbot> action-98 -- Jer Noble to Share draft explaining html audio in terms of webaudio -- due 2014-04-03 -- OPEN
16:09:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/98
16:09:44 <olivier> jer: did share and put it on GH and sent to mailing-list
16:10:11 <olivier> (todo OT find link to add to minutes)
16:10:18 <olivier> action-98 CLOSED
16:10:18 <trackbot> Closed action-98.
16:10:44 <olivier> action-99
16:10:44 <trackbot> action-99 -- Olivier Thereaux to Migrate demo-list to html, split learn/showcase -- due 2014-04-24 -- OPEN
16:10:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/99
16:10:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:11:00 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is padenot
16:11:00 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
16:11:35 <olivier> http://webaudio.github.io/demo-list/
16:11:40 <olivier> action-99 closed
16:11:40 <trackbot> Closed action-99.
16:12:03 <olivier> action-89
16:12:03 <trackbot> action-89 -- Paul Adenot to Look at current implementations, and draft interface to request mathematical oscillator (issues/127) and specify phase (base on pr 270) -- due 2014-03-06 -- OPEN
16:12:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/89
16:12:33 <olivier> action-89 closed
16:12:33 <trackbot> Closed action-89.
16:12:48 <olivier> action-97 due in 2 weeks
16:12:48 <trackbot> Set action-97 Start spreadsheet to triage issues for webaudio api due date to 2014-06-19.
16:12:57 <olivier> action-97 assigned to mattparadis
16:13:23 <colinbdclark> :)
16:14:07 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:14:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Github issues taxonomy https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues" taken up [from olivier]
16:14:56 <olivier> olivier: want to better tag and prioritise issues
16:15:38 <olivier>    * Architectural / Fundamental - may result in breaking changes
16:15:39 <olivier>    * Non-testable assertions
16:15:39 <olivier>    * Clarification - requires (breaking?) changes to algorithms
16:15:39 <olivier>    * Clarification/Documentation/Editorial - no change to algorithms, results in documentation + tests
16:15:42 <olivier>    * Discrepancies in implementations - must results in test case, possibly results in clarification
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16:15:45 <olivier>    * Missing Feature / Feature Request
16:15:47 <olivier>    * Syntactic improvements?
16:15:55 <jernoble> zakim, who is on the call?
16:15:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see rtoyg_, jer, gmandyam, joe, olivier, Doug_Schepers, kawai, padenot
16:18:28 <olivier> olivier: thoughts? anything missing, does it look useful?
16:20:17 <shepazu> q+
16:20:43 <olivier> ack shepazu
16:21:21 <olivier> shepazu: a lot of spec assumes knowledge (of audio processing) or referencing something outside
16:21:35 <olivier> ... e.g openAL, and the cookbook
16:22:02 <olivier> ... if there are others, maybe worth adding
16:22:14 <olivier> olivier: agree - maybe we need something about references/dependencies
16:23:21 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 2
16:23:21 <Zakim> agendum 2, Github issues taxonomy https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues, closed
16:23:23 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:23:23 <Zakim> 3. Oscillator types are not defined https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/104 [from olivier]
16:23:32 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:23:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Oscillator types are not defined https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/104" taken up [from olivier]
16:24:34 <olivier> olivier: we now have value at t0 and phase, isnt that enough?
16:24:41 <olivier> padenot: latest text has info about phase
16:24:48 <olivier> ... 2.22.3 defines phase
16:25:42 <olivier> olivier: will close issue as addressed in latest draft, can be reopened if anyone objects
16:26:16 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 3
16:26:16 <Zakim> agendum 3, Oscillator types are not defined https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/104, closed
16:26:18 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:26:18 <Zakim> 4. High order filters https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/323 [from olivier]
16:26:25 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 4
16:26:25 <Zakim> agendum 4. "High order filters https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/323" taken up [from olivier]
16:26:57 <olivier> olivier: new discussion on GH about adding first order filters
16:27:31 <olivier> ... sounds like a new feature request, not quite clear in terms of use case
16:27:42 <olivier> padenot: met the OP, asked to make a concrete list of use cases
16:27:49 <olivier> ... should be no problem
16:28:09 <olivier> olivier: good - we'll prioritise when we have the UC
16:28:20 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 4
16:28:20 <Zakim> agendum 4, High order filters https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/323, closed
16:28:23 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:28:23 <Zakim> 5. Loop event https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/267 [from olivier]
16:28:39 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 5
16:28:39 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Loop event https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/267" taken up [from olivier]
16:30:07 <olivier> padenot: we have a proposed solution for this
16:30:15 <olivier> ... we can work around it
16:30:34 <olivier> ... it's going to be delayed, but you can keep track of how many loops played, and plan a stop in advance too
16:30:41 <olivier> ... and do it quite precisely
16:30:48 <joe> q+
16:31:01 <olivier> ack joe
16:31:38 <olivier> joe: a little bit uncomfortable with adding events for predictable
16:31:58 <olivier> ... maybe what is needed is the ability to schedule an arbitrary event at a certain audiocontext time
16:32:49 <olivier> ... if we had mapping between dom time and audiocontext time
16:33:07 <olivier> olivier: do we have an issue for that mapping?
16:33:19 <olivier> joe: will check when I review bugs
16:33:43 <olivier> ACTION: joe to make sure we have an issue tracked for the mapping of dom time and audiocontext time
16:33:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Make sure we have an issue tracked for the mapping of dom time and audiocontext time [on Joe Berkovitz - due 2014-06-12].
16:34:13 <olivier> rrsagent, pointer
16:34:13 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-audio-irc#T16-34-13
16:35:28 <olivier> issue 267 closed as WONTFIX
16:35:43 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 5
16:35:43 <Zakim> agendum 5, Loop event https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/267, closed
16:35:46 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
16:36:06 <Zakim> -joe
16:36:15 <jernoble> q+
16:36:22 <olivier> ack jernoble
16:36:36 <olivier> Topic: AOB
16:36:49 <olivier> jernoble: talked to developer. main topic was memory pressure
16:37:02 <olivier> ... one request was a way to queue multiple buffers together
16:37:06 <Zakim> +joe
16:37:14 <olivier> ... append/concatenate buffers together
16:37:24 <olivier> ... something MSE does
16:37:30 <olivier> ... but not in web audio api
16:37:39 <joe> q+
16:37:49 <olivier> padenot: workers with scriptprocessornode could do it
16:38:01 <olivier> jernoble: don't think we'd need to do it with scriptprocessornode
16:38:18 <olivier> ... maybe change way decodeaudiodata works
16:38:33 <olivier> ... we could probably use a hack mixing audio element and MSE
16:38:53 <olivier> ... but best to do in api
16:39:16 <olivier> joe: last time this was discussed was how to antialias the splicing
16:39:25 <olivier> ... not sure what the solution is, but this came up before
16:39:38 <olivier> jernoble: there are restrictions of MSE
16:39:44 <olivier> ... e.g if sources are too different
16:39:53 <olivier> ... we could do the same
16:39:55 <olivier> q+
16:39:58 <olivier> ack joe
16:40:31 <olivier> joe: if we're not going to solve splicing problem, why should we not tell people to do sample-accurate scheduling
16:41:12 <olivier> joe: issue with scheduling at sub-sample
16:42:29 <olivier> jer: I thought we did have sub-sample frame accurate scheduling in webkit, but haven't checked in a while
16:42:34 <olivier> ... probably should add it if not
16:42:46 <olivier> joe: if that's the way webaudio works, we should spec it properly
16:43:01 <olivier> ... resolution of scheduling should be specced whether we need this feature or not
16:44:34 <olivier> ACTION: joe to add/point to issue on sub-sample accurate scheduling
16:44:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Add/point to issue on sub-sample accurate scheduling [on Joe Berkovitz - due 2014-06-12].
16:45:54 <olivier> olivier: would it make sense to hook into MSE?
16:46:05 <olivier> jer: MSE currently doesn't expose the raw data
16:46:15 <joe> q+
16:46:26 <olivier> ack olivier
16:46:39 <olivier> jernoble: but we can adopt some of the concepts of MSE
16:46:57 <olivier> ack joe
16:47:13 <olivier> joe: question on issue that came up in the past
16:47:26 <olivier> ... there is an issue that says spec is wrong about playbackloop
16:47:34 <olivier> s/playbackloop/playbackrate/
16:48:12 <olivier> [scribe missed details about detune]
16:48:18 <olivier> zakim, who is making noise?
16:48:32 <Zakim> olivier, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olivier (95%), padenot (4%)
16:48:54 <olivier> olivier: joe, send mail to the list?
16:49:50 <olivier> Topic: next meeting
16:50:01 <olivier> olivier: scheduled 19th june. any regrets
16:50:19 <olivier> Topic: co-chair
16:50:31 <olivier> shepazu: couple of candidates for co-chairing
16:50:47 <olivier> ... both known to the group, solid
16:50:57 <olivier> ... if both go through we will work on a smooth transition
16:51:09 <olivier> ... we'll all be glad to be rid of olivier
16:51:12 <olivier> [applause]
16:52:48 <Zakim> -jer
16:52:49 <olivier> adjourned
16:52:52 <Zakim> -kawai
16:52:53 <Zakim> -olivier
16:52:54 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
16:52:55 <Zakim> -joe
16:52:55 <Zakim> -rtoyg_
16:53:00 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
16:53:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-audio-minutes.html olivier
16:53:08 <Zakim> -padenot
16:53:23 <olivier> chair: olivier
16:53:29 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
16:53:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:00:51 <olivier> olivier has changed the topic to: W3C Audio WG - Last meeting 2014-06-05 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014AprJun/0080.html - Next: 2014-06-19
17:00:57 <olivier> rrsagent, bye
17:00:57 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-audio-actions.rdf :
17:00:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: joe to make sure we have an issue tracked for the mapping of dom time and audiocontext time [1]
17:00:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-audio-irc#T16-33-43
17:00:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: joe to add/point to issue on sub-sample accurate scheduling [2]
17:00:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-audio-irc#T16-44-34
17:01:00 <olivier> zakim, bye
17:01:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.650.214.aaaa, gmandyam, +1.617.455.aabb, +44.303.040.aacc, Doug_Schepers, olivier, rtoyg_, joe, jer, kawai, padenot
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