IRC log of wai-wcag on 2014-06-03

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG

14:49:50 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 03 June 2014

14:49:59 [Joshue]

zakim, agenda?

14:49:59 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:

14:50:00 [Zakim]

2. Survey: May 20 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ [from Joshue108]

14:50:00 [Zakim]

4. Review of open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/open [from Joshue108]

14:50:00 [Zakim]

6. SUrvey: May 27, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/results [from AWK]

14:50:00 [Zakim]

8. Brief update on progress regarding the review of EO accessibility tutorials. [from AWK]

14:50:13 [Joshue]

zakim, clear agenda

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agenda cleared

14:50:22 [Joshue]

agenda+ Survey: (#3 only) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/13May2014/results#xautoplay

14:52:36 [Joshue]

zakim, clear agenda

14:52:36 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

14:52:57 [Joshue]

agenda+ Updated LC-2895 Response: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/EOLC2895/

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agenda+ Review of accessibility tutorials - call for interest

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https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review#Overview_of_Issues

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agenda+ Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/

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agenda+ Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/

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agenda+ Continuation of surveys: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4)

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agenda+ https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items)

14:54:12 [Joshue]

Scribe list: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List

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Chair: Joshue

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WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started

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+David_MacDonald

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+kathleen

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+Sailesh_Panchang

14:59:58 [AWK]

Zakim, what meeting is this?

14:59:58 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, AWK.

15:00:08 [AWK]

Trackbot, start meeting

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RRSAgent, make logs public

15:00:12 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG

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+[IPcaller]

15:00:12 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM already started

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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 03 June 2014

15:00:16 [Zakim]

+AWK

15:00:20 [AWK]

Zakim, agenda?

15:00:20 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:

15:00:21 [Zakim]

1. Updated LC-2895 Response: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/EOLC2895/ [from Joshue]

15:00:21 [Zakim]

2. Review of accessibility tutorials - call for interest [from Joshue]

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3. Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/ [from Joshue]

15:00:21 [Zakim]

4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]

15:00:21 [Zakim]

5. Continuation of surveys: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]

15:00:22 [Joshue]

zakim, [IPcallers] is Joshue

15:00:24 [Zakim]

6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]

15:00:24 [Zakim]

sorry, Joshue, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcallers]'

15:00:28 [Joshue]

zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue

15:00:28 [Zakim]

+Joshue; got it

15:00:49 [AWK]

Regrets+ Wilco, Bruce

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Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:06 [Zakim]

On the phone I see David_MacDonald, kathleen, Sailesh_Panchang, Joshue, AWK

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+Kathy_Wahlbin

15:02:01 [Joshue]

zakim, agenda?

15:02:01 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:

15:02:03 [Zakim]

1. Updated LC-2895 Response: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/EOLC2895/ [from Joshue]

15:02:03 [Zakim]

2. Review of accessibility tutorials - call for interest [from Joshue]

15:02:03 [Zakim]

3. Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/ [from Joshue]

15:02:04 [Zakim]

4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]

15:02:04 [Zakim]

5. Continuation of surveys: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]

15:02:04 [Zakim]

6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]

15:02:50 [AWK]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:02:50 [Zakim]

On the phone I see David_MacDonald, kathleen, Sailesh_Panchang, Joshue, AWK, Kathy_Wahlbin

15:02:52 [Joshue]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List

15:04:37 [Joshue]

zakim, next item

15:04:37 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Updated LC-2895 Response: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/EOLC2895/" taken up [from Joshue]

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Scribe page updated.

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+[IPcaller]

15:05:48 [David]

AWK new response is in there now

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+??P38

15:05:59 [Loretta]

zakim, ipcaller is Loretta

15:05:59 [Zakim]

+Loretta; got it

15:06:02 [David]

Seems like broad consensus

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+jon_avila

15:06:27 [MichaelC_]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014AprJun/0190.html

15:06:46 [AWK]

I updated LC-2895 per Michael's comment

15:07:34 [David]

MC open alert issue regarding where in the document the paragraph

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q+

15:07:51 [David]

should be put.

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MC can close the loop on the wording change.

15:08:21 [David]

if everyone accepts

15:08:38 [Joshue]

ack awk

15:08:42 [David]

or we can wait to dangling peice

15:09:27 [David]

AWk want to close this issue because of the way our tool works for tracking comments... the further back we go the more we lose things.

15:10:24 [David]

AWK group said it makes sense in this location, EO accepted the location, and they want to talk about further places the paragraph should be

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AWK we should accept this comment, and let any further EO issues be separate.

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+James_Nurthen

15:12:19 [David]

RESOLUTION:Accept 2895

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3. "Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/" taken up [from Joshue]

15:12:56 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/8

15:13:41 [David]

TOPIC: Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/"

15:15:04 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/9

15:15:05 [David]

Resolution: Close action 8

15:15:19 [Joshue]

zakim, queue?

15:15:19 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

15:15:28 [David]

RESOLUTION: Close action 8

15:15:40 [MichaelC]

q+ to say I closed some actions by making pull requests; those will need review and processing

15:15:55 [David]

AWK: Let's find out if people have gone through their actions.

15:16:02 [MichaelC]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/open

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15:16:11 [David]

q+

15:16:17 [jon_avila]

yes

15:16:17 [MichaelC]

oops, http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open

15:16:28 [Joshue]

ack Mich

15:16:28 [Zakim]

MichaelC, you wanted to say I closed some actions by making pull requests; those will need review and processing

15:17:14 [Zakim]

+Marc_Johlic

15:17:19 [David]

MC I closed my items and made pull requests

15:17:38 [Zakim]

+Katie_Haritos-Shea

15:18:33 [MichaelC]

I closed actions by creating pull requests 27 and 28 https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/27 https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/28 and

15:18:47 [MichaelC]

they include references to the actions I closed

15:18:53 [David]

AWK: we sked everyone to check action items and if completed then just close them... ask about controversial ones

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s/sked/asked

15:20:12 [David]

AWK: actions on people no longer on WG, editors will go through and close some, and move some to others etc... some OBE

15:20:38 [Joshue]

ack davi

15:21:07 [Joshue]

zakim, agenda?

15:21:07 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:

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3. Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/ [from Joshue]

15:21:08 [Zakim]

4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]

15:21:08 [Zakim]

5. Continuation of surveys: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]

15:21:08 [Zakim]

6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]

15:22:02 [David]

David: I understand that we can close actions as soon as we take the action such as write the technique... and notify chairs

15:22:11 [Joshue]

zakim, next item

15:22:11 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/" taken up [from Joshue]

15:22:38 [AWK]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/open

15:22:54 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/3

15:23:33 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/9

15:24:19 [David]

Josh: what should we do about plain text techniques

15:25:13 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/9

15:25:26 [David]

James: Probably Peter Korn, was more interested in plain text than me

15:25:33 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/text.html

15:25:44 [David]

q+

15:26:07 [jon_avila]

I think they are still relevant. +1 to James

15:26:24 [David]

James: Easy to script text if it is set up as we suggest

15:27:07 [Joshue]

ack david

15:27:13 [AWK]

q+

15:27:30 [jamesn]

q+ to say they are not historical

15:28:06 [Joshue]

ack awk

15:28:25 [David]

David: Think we should keep it in.

15:28:47 [David]

AWK: If we remove them we are not forbidding them.

15:29:28 [David]

AWK: hard to say there are headings that can be supported in text

15:29:29 [Joshue]

ack james

15:29:29 [Zakim]

jamesn, you wanted to say they are not historical

15:30:19 [David]

James: Not just historical... still places where text is the best way to input/output... one group wants to produce new plain text technoqies

15:30:53 [David]

RESOLUTION: Close Issue 9 we will keep plain text technoques

15:31:10 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/11 SCR2 and SCR20 seem to overlap, consider merging

15:31:24 [David]

TOPIC: Issue 11

15:31:30 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20110621/2570

15:31:36 [AWK]

q+

15:31:40 [Joshue]

ack awk

15:31:51 [David]

s/technoques/techniques

15:31:54 [David]

s/technoques/techniques

15:32:52 [David]

ACTION: Kathleen to look into Issue 11

15:32:52 [trackbot]

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15:32:58 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/13

15:33:13 [Joshue]

F62 may need to be modified to encompass html4/5

15:33:28 [AWK]

ACTION spiderwebwoman to to look into Issue-11

15:33:28 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-259 - To look into issue-11 [on Kathleen Anderson - due 2014-06-10].

15:33:39 [David]

ACTION: spiderwebwoman to look into Issue 11 Kathleen

15:33:39 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-260 - Look into issue 11 kathleen [on Kathleen Anderson - due 2014-06-10].

15:34:14 [Joshue]

https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2861

15:35:57 [Joshue]

zakim, queue?

15:35:57 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

15:36:35 [kathleen]

http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item06

15:37:11 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/14

15:37:29 [David]

TOPIC: ISSUE 14

15:37:47 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/15

15:37:55 [Joshue]

Should h90 reference 1.3.1 like aria2 does?

15:39:24 [jamesn]

ISSUE-15?

15:39:24 [trackbot]

ISSUE-15 -- Should h90 reference 1.3.1 like aria2 does? -- open

15:39:24 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/15

15:39:29 [David]

ACTION: KWalbin to look into ISSUE H-15

15:39:29 [trackbot]

Error finding 'KWalbin'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.

15:39:35 [Joshue]

zakim, agenda?

15:39:35 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:

15:39:35 [jon_avila]

q+

15:39:36 [Zakim]

4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]

15:39:36 [Zakim]

5. Continuation of surveys: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]

15:39:36 [Zakim]

6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]

15:39:40 [Joshue]

ack jon

15:40:35 [David]

JON: Should we question mapping.

15:40:47 [Joshue]

TOPIC: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review#Overview_of_Issues

15:40:52 [jon_avila]

q-

15:41:20 [David]

ACTION: Kathy and Non_avila to look into ISSUE-15

15:41:20 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-261 - And non_avila to look into issue-15 [on Kathleen Wahlbin - due 2014-06-10].

15:41:30 [Joshue]

TOPIC: EO Tutorials Review

15:41:32 [Joshue]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review#Overview_of_Issues

15:42:00 [David]

s/non_avila/jon_avila

15:42:23 [David]

TOOIC: EO Tutorials review

15:42:40 [David]

TOPIC: EO Tutorials review

15:42:49 [Joshue]

s/TOOIC:/

15:43:23 [David]

AWK: We need to morph our individual comments into consensus

15:44:00 [David]

JOSH: i've gone through mine for importance

15:46:12 [Joshue]

Note, Loretta and David did add [BEFORE PUB] already to their comments, as have AWK and Josh

15:46:37 [Loretta]

q+

15:47:02 [Joshue]

ack lor

15:48:03 [David]

Loretta: not on critical path, for the 2 tier

15:49:38 [David]

Removing thead information

15:50:54 [David]

table caption summary... josh summary is loaded

15:54:06 [Loretta]

q+

15:54:52 [Joshue]

ack lor

15:56:36 [David]

David: Would like more advance notice so we are not put in a position of having to prioritize

15:57:45 [David]

AWK: Have noted advice that it is not a show stopper but needed and will provide it at same time as show stopper feedback

15:57:47 [Joshue]

zakim, queue?

15:57:47 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

16:04:44 [Zakim]

-James_Nurthen

16:04:47 [Joshue]

zakim, queue?

16:04:47 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

16:05:49 [Joshue]

zakim, agenda?

16:05:50 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:

16:05:50 [Zakim]

4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]

16:05:50 [Zakim]

5. Continuation of surveys: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]

16:05:50 [Zakim]

6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]

16:06:04 [Joshue]

zakim, take up item 6

16:06:04 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items)" taken up [from Joshue]

16:06:06 [David]

Finished going through our comments to EO completed https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review#Overview_of_Issues

16:06:47 [David]

TOPIC 2908

16:06:57 [Joshue]

https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140306/2908

16:07:41 [David]

RESOLUTION: Accept 2908 as proposed

16:07:47 [Joshue]

LC-2869: Table failure modification

16:08:04 [David]

TOPIC: LC-2869: Table failure modification

16:09:45 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F91.html

16:10:16 [Joshue]

zakim, queue?

16:10:16 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

16:11:44 [David]

AWK: David and I spoke about this issue of scope

16:12:49 [David]

MC headers marked with th, sope attr on th cells when headers on more than the first row

16:13:02 [David]

s/sope/scope

16:13:04 [Joshue]

zakim, mute me

16:13:04 [Zakim]

Joshue should now be muted

16:13:16 [Joshue]

ack me

16:14:52 [jon_avila]

JAWS has supported scope for a long time. Window-Eyes didn't until a few years ago.

16:15:18 [Joshue]

I still think of it as new, probably showing age

16:17:46 [Joshue]

https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2869

16:18:11 [David]

RESOLUTION: ACCEPT LC-2869 as amended

16:18:14 [Joshue]

Comment LC-2854: Should we remove ACRONYM examples and discussion

16:18:30 [Joshue]

https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2854

16:18:51 [David]

RESOLUTION: ACCEPT LC-2854 as amended

16:19:10 [Joshue]

ACTION: Michael Cooper to search for references to acronym in other techniques as well.

16:19:11 [trackbot]

'Michael' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., cooper, melledge).

16:19:25 [David]

ACTION: Michael to search documents for instance of ACRONYM and change to ABBR

16:19:25 [trackbot]

'Michael' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., cooper, melledge).

16:19:40 [Joshue]

ACTION: MichaelC to search for references to acronym in other techniques as well.

16:19:40 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-262 - Search for references to acronym in other techniques as well. [on Michael Cooper - due 2014-06-10].

16:20:28 [Joshue]

LC-2921: Headings for link context

16:20:34 [Joshue]

https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140306/2921

16:20:38 [David]

TOPIC LC2921

16:22:16 [David]

AWK Sailesh is pointing that h80 is advisory.

16:23:43 [David]

AWK: and he is saying remove heading mention

16:25:35 [David]

Loretta: the reason headings were there on hotel sites etc... with lots of ambiguous links

16:25:38 [Joshue]

+q

16:25:46 [AWK]

http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/navigation-mechanisms-refs.html

16:26:26 [Joshue]

ack me

16:26:45 [David]

AWK: We can at end of paragraph say... On addition authors may choose to related heading for context using aria.

16:27:04 [David]

s/On/In

16:27:22 [David]

s/related/relate

16:27:56 [MichaelC]

action-262: see https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/results#xcomm1 for context

16:27:56 [trackbot]

Notes added to action-262 Search for references to acronym in other techniques as well..

16:28:32 [AWK]

https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140306/2921

16:29:57 [David]

RESOLUTION: LC 2921 accepted as amended

16:30:28 [AWK]

#5 remains on this survey

16:30:40 [Zakim]

-kathleen

16:30:44 [Zakim]

-jon_avila

16:30:45 [Zakim]

-AWK

16:30:46 [Zakim]

-Katie_Haritos-Shea

16:30:47 [Zakim]

-Sailesh_Panchang

16:30:47 [Zakim]

-Kathy_Wahlbin

16:30:48 [Zakim]

-David_MacDonald

16:30:48 [Zakim]

-Joshue

16:30:53 [Zakim]

-Michael_Cooper

16:30:54 [Zakim]

-Marc_Johlic

16:33:17 [Zakim]

-Loretta

16:33:19 [Zakim]

WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended

16:33:19 [Zakim]

Attendees were David_MacDonald, kathleen, Sailesh_Panchang, AWK, Joshue, Kathy_Wahlbin, Michael_Cooper, Loretta, jon_avila, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Katie_Haritos-Shea

16:38:53 [Sailesh]

Sailesh has left #wai-wcag

16:43:05 [David]

Zakim, list attendees if everyone has not left

16:43:05 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'list attendees if everyone has not left', David

16:43:18 [David]

Zakim, list attendees

16:43:18 [Zakim]

sorry, David, I don't know what conference this is

16:43:50 [David]

rrsagent, make log public

16:44:02 [David]

rrsagent, make minutes

16:44:02 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html David