IRC log of html-a11y-media on 2014-06-02

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 02 June 2014

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agenda?

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zakim, call kazuyuki-617

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see JF, MarkS, Kazuyuki

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On IRC I see kaz, JF, RRSAgent, MarkS, janina, Zakim, trackbot

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janina?

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zakim, take up next item

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agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from MarkS]

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+??P17

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zakim, ??P17 is me

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+janina; got it

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scribe: MarkS

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zakim, close item 1

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agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments [from MarkS]

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zakim take up item 2

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zakim, take up item 2

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agendum 2. "TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements (update)" taken up [from MarkS]

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see JF, MarkS, Kazuyuki, janina, ShaneM

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On IRC I see ShaneM, kaz, JF, RRSAgent, MarkS, janina, Zakim, trackbot

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-> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/28-webtv-minutes.html Web&TV minutes

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KAZ: Talked about new use cases on May 28. Everyone was very impresed and interest

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...TV Broadcast chair, volunteered to take the lead and check the use cases in detail.

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...need to identify what is new and which ones are just extensions.

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...may need to reword a bit to fit the IGs use cases better

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...the IG has started to review use cases submitted by john and mark. The new use cases submitted by janina will be added to 2nd generation.

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JS: I have a new one that is related to timescale modification. think it would be good to have a use case for it

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...useful for people who watch videos in a non-domininant language

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...to slow it down

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KAZ: Might want to mention advantages to i18n as well

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JS: useful for travellers as well

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MS: do you think we will be able to provide feedback on the outcome of that work soon?

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KAZ: yes

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...no date yet, will let you know soon.

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...AC meeting is next week, so it may take longer than expected.

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MS: anyone attending AC that would be useful to talk to?

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KAZ: i will ask

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JS: i will be there on Monday

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KAZ: I wanted to thank everyone for your work. great use cases.

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zakim, take up next item

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agendum 3. "Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments" taken up [from MarkS]

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-a11y-reqs/

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-a11y-reqs/#KA-1

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+EricP

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SM: what are we doing with references to other documents?

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MS: Keeping an eye and doing our best to predict stability at this point

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JS: Three steps before we publish

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...Need to make sure we are happy with this heartbeat.

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...we need to respond to all commenters

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...we might want to update vocabulary used since it has changed

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...RE: section 4.8 might be a good time to re-write that section. Shouldn't taken long.

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...know what we need to say and have gotten feedback

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...know we can at least change the title, which is very awkward. Can probably use new term, second screen

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JF: That is very awkward. probably shorten it down. If we are going to use second screen, we want to indicate that it refers to one or more screens/devices

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JS: If you look at Sylvia's response to my email, that addresses that.

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...there is understanding that it it more than one or two or three additional devices.

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...I wonder if there is a definition somewhere that we can reference

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JF: there is a second screen community group

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KAZ: that group is converting to a working group

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http://www.w3.org/community/webscreens/

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JF: the CG has a definition

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KAZ: Use Cases and requirements were discussed in the Web & TV IG, and some of the participants converting that work to working group

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Q+

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JF: This is a very quiet group. There are some knowlegeable and experienced participants.

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...lot of people watching it, but not a lot going on.

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JS: so there may be an API?

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KAZ: yes

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JS: That is important

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-> http://webscreens.github.io/presentation-api/ Presentation API

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JF: If we're going to use this term, we need to have it clearly defined

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...there is a concise defintion here. we may want to have a more formal definition somewhere

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s/converting that work to working group/launched a Community Group based on the requirements/

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JS: it could be a set of bluetooth headphones...

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SM: maybe we should call it secondary device

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JS: I'm not picky about the distinction, but understand its not always literally a visual display

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q+

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JF: so, the discussion is whether or not we want to use the term second screen, but based on this convo, it might be too limiting

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SM: It's not second, its secondary

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suggestion: 4.8 Requirements on the parallel use of alternative content on secondary screens and other devices

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014May/0099.html

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JS: I think we can take out alternative. Secondary screens and other devices is circular, self-referential

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suggestion: 4.8 Requirements on secondary screens and other devices

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JS: I like that

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JF: I like that

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MS: me too

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JS: the rest of the section needs to be improved as well

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...take out references to UAAG and put it in the document directly

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JS: I propose I take an action to rewrite this section

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JF: Looking at comment from Jim Allen, the title and intro should be changed.

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...we can remove that comment and make sure the rest of the comments from UAAG have been addressed.

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JS, MarkS, and JF will not be available next week. Propose skipping next weeks meeting. Review rewritten text for this section in two weeks

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JF: I think we just need to focus on the title and the preamble. I think we can work on this via email

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JS: Has there been any discussions in other groups regarding this section, or were they not aware that this applies to 2nd screen

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queue?

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ack J

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ack K

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KAZ: the idea of 2nd screen itself is not necessarily a secondary device. During the Munich workshop, some participants mentioned iPhone or iPad, usually 2nd screen could be the primary device.

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...need to be careful how we refer to these devices

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...perhpas we can ask them to clarify

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...multiple devices or multiple modalities

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JF: its not talking about screens, its talking about multiple devices, consuming the same media stream, different ways on different devices.

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...the group is probably focused on video, not audio.

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...I think the preamble is where it needs to be cleaned up.

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...its deliberately broad. need to expand on it in the introduction

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MS: any other sections that need work before we publish next draft?

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JF: i don't remember reviewing the long list of feedback from UAAG.

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JS: I think we did that already

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(UAAG feedback here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jul/0108.html)

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JF: we should remove link to that sentence then.

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ACTION: MarkS to remove reference to UAWG email in seciton 4.8

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Created ACTION-264 - Remove reference to uawg email in seciton 4.8 [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-06-09].

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JS: EO will look at section two before our fall heartbeat (hopefully LC)

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JF: Comment 33: CA-4, support filters. Clean audio, still refers to pre-emphasis filters. Did we agree/disagree?

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...I think we need to go through these again to make sure they were all addressed

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...there are 83 comments

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JS: We did not accept all of them

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JF: we refer to pre-emphasis filters. comment suggested we shoudl just use filters

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JS: i think that was a spelling mistake

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JF: I will take a quick look at these to make sure they were all addressed.

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JS: I'll look at minutes to see when we took these comments up

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agenda?

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zakim, close item 3

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agendum 3, Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments, closed

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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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4. Media Accessibility User Requirements (next steps) [from MarkS]

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zakim, close item 4

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agendum 4, Media Accessibility User Requirements (next steps), closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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5. Full Transcript [from MarkS]

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zakim, take up next item

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agendum 5. "Full Transcript" taken up [from MarkS]

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JS: we have two proposals

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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Full_Transcript

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...Plan 2014 specifies that we can create an extension spec

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JF: Adrian expressed interest in this. I will have a chat with him.

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JS: I will look for minutes

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MS: suggest adding any historical work to this wiki page so we can make an informed decision on how to move forward.

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-JF

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next meeting in two weeks

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-janina

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-Kazuyuki

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-ShaneM

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-wuwei

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-MarkS

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WAI_HTML AT()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were JF, MarkS, Kazuyuki, janina, ShaneM, wuwei

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/02-html-a11y-media-minutes.html MarkS

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