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17:00:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
17:00:02 <Zakim> WAI_PF matches both WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)1:00PM
17:00:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
17:00:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
17:00:03 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2014
17:00:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
17:00:53 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is LJWatson
17:00:53 <Zakim> sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
17:00:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: make log public
17:01:01 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone
17:01:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', LJWatson
17:01:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, who is on the call
17:01:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', richardschwerdtfeger
17:01:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:01:37 <Zakim> sorry, richardschwerdtfeger, I don't know what conference this is
17:01:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfeger, jongund, clown, Stefan, LJWatson, jnurthen, joanie, MichaelC, janina, trackbot
17:01:43 <Stefan> zakim, whois
17:01:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'whois', Stefan
17:03:11 <clown> zakim, this is WAI_PFWG(ARIA)
17:03:11 <Zakim> ok, clown; that matches WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM
17:03:36 <Zakim> +??P29
17:03:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0001.html
17:03:43 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:03:43 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:03:51 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:03:51 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:03:54 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is LJWatson
17:03:54 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
17:04:00 <clown> zakim, who's here?
17:04:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Stefan_Schnabel, susannK, LJWatson, rich, Jon_Gunderson, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Michael_Cooper, Matt_King
17:04:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfeger, jongund, clown, Stefan, LJWatson, jnurthen, joanie, MichaelC, janina, trackbot
17:04:31 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
17:05:32 <jongund> zakiim scribe, jongund
17:05:50 <jongund> RS: Do we need more test cases for HTML5
17:06:04 <jongund> RS: More for ARIA 1.1
17:06:23 <jongund> RS: We have native host language semantics in ARIA 1.1
17:06:37 <jongund> RS: TR has the same as role=row
17:06:49 <jongund> MC: We were talking about this earlier
17:07:12 <jongund> MC: the strong native sematics needs testing, if not implemented it would need to be removed
17:07:40 <jongund> RS: Fundamental difference
17:07:55 <jongund> MC: Does the HTML working group need to testing
17:07:58 <Zakim> +??P12
17:08:06 <janina> zakim, ??P12 is me
17:08:06 <Zakim> +janina; got it
17:08:12 <jongund> RS: If they say will not be able to over right ....
17:08:27 <jongund> RS: I think we need additional test cases or take it out
17:08:51 <jongund> MC: We did accommodate, as they progress they will need to test
17:09:29 <jongund> RS: As the host language has the native semantics we may need to test
17:09:37 <jongund> MC: We will need to test
17:09:50 <jongund> RS: They don't have such a document, do they need to test
17:10:28 <jongund> JS: They seem have a permissive approach to testing, they test some things and not others
17:10:35 <jongund> JS: they need to chow implementatino
17:10:47 <jongund> RS: We are in better shape for 5.1
17:11:14 <jongund> JS: they will say it is an edge case
17:11:48 <jongund> JS: they are trying to get to last call, met with TBL last week
17:12:03 <jongund> JS: TBL may be asking about accessibility
17:12:14 <jongund> JS: We are OK with most stuff in 5.0
17:12:55 <jongund> RS: RS: The need an API, almost like it is not testable since no mapping guide
17:13:10 <clown> q+ to ask: what is this, if not a mapping guide:  http://rawgit.com/w3c/html-api-map/master/index.html#html-element-to-accessibility-api-role-mapping-matrix
17:13:12 <jongund> MC: I think it is possible to test, without guide it is more difficult
17:13:38 <jongund> MC: It will be better with the mapping guide
17:13:58 <jongund> RS: You could a validator for testing that stuff?
17:14:16 <jongund> RS: What will HTML validator do for conflicting information
17:14:21 <jongund> MC: You can test it
17:14:34 <jongund> JS: What will happen in the accessibility API
17:14:42 <clown> zakim, ack me
17:14:42 <Zakim> Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to ask: what is this, if not a mapping guide:
17:14:44 <Zakim> ... http://rawgit.com/w3c/html-api-map/master/index.html#html-element-to-accessibility-api-role-mapping-matrix
17:14:44 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
17:14:48 <jongund> RS: Better question, but they don't have a mapping guide
17:15:25 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa
17:15:28 <jongund> MC: If it is a user agent requirement, using the validator helps identify that is a condition, validator probably cannot be used for CR requirements
17:15:41 <jongund> RS: I beleive thats the best they can do
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17:16:31 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
17:16:31 <Zakim> ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
17:16:37 <jongund> JS: Do we prefer the section be removed?
17:16:44 <jongund> RS: I care about ARIA 1.1
17:16:50 <jongund> MC: I don't have a preference
17:16:59 <jongund> MC: they made a big deal to add it
17:17:41 <jongund> JS: Here is the problem, then we need to renegociate, if its there it will be there in 5.1
17:17:56 <jongund> JS: If we like it we develop the mapping guide and file bugs
17:18:06 <jongund> RS: they could make the session non-normative
17:18:41 <jongund> RS: They could say "This could be normative in a future spec"
17:18:47 <jongund> MC: YI think that is viable
17:19:05 <jongund> RS: We could have them test it
17:19:41 <jongund> RS: aria-checked would trump checked in FF
17:20:05 <jongund> Clown: I agree that it is a possibility, not consistent
17:20:12 <jongund> RS: make it non-normative
17:20:27 <jongund> MC: We say that the section needs testing, it is expected to have problems
17:20:46 <jongund> MC: Do we say up front that it should be non-nromative or wait until they have problems
17:21:14 <jongund> RS: We should probalbt say it up front it is not testable
17:21:17 <clown> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#wai-aria
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17:21:49 <jongund> MC: We are talking about strong native semantics
17:22:03 <jongund> RS: I don't know how they test without an API
17:22:16 <jongund> Clown: they need to test on 4 plateforms
17:22:50 <clown> s/they need to test on 4 plateforms/they need to create test files and test them on 4 platforms/
17:22:57 <jongund> MC: This was tested in our ARIA testing
17:23:08 <jongund> MC: Give them a couple of tick marks
17:23:31 <jongund> JS: i want to keep our working relationships, and so be straight forward with them
17:23:50 <jongund> MC: Say some sections are not normative
17:24:08 <jongund> JS: That will change as we develop the mapping guide
17:24:52 <jongund> MC: We have consensus for HTML
17:25:10 <jongund> JS: Joseph can you take this up on the tuesday call
17:25:21 <jongund> Clown: That  is not in code?
17:25:34 <jongund> JS: You should start calling it core
17:25:49 <jongund> JS: You can decide how often to talk about the HTML mapping
17:26:14 <jongund> JS: On the HTML side we need to editors which tree it should be in
17:26:29 <jongund> JS: need to ask the editors
17:26:34 <jongund> JS: I have what we need
17:27:09 <jongund> JS: We are basically happy with 5.0, we do have a few problems, we just talked abotu some of them
17:27:42 <jongund> RS: I want to keep the relationship good, like with the canvas work
17:28:05 <jongund> JS: We will not have everything in the 5.0 time frame
17:28:09 <jongund> RS: OK
17:28:29 <jongund> RS: What does that do for the rest?
17:28:36 <jongund> MC: I don't think it does
17:28:58 <jongund> RS: Do they define role computation?
17:29:01 <jongund> MC: no
17:29:08 <jongund> RS: we are good
17:29:18 <jongund> RS: Is chris G on today?
17:29:29 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:29:32 <jongund> MC: I would liek to talk about publishing, before other topics
17:29:40 <jongund> RS: Righ the heart beat draft
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17:30:11 <jongund> MC: I have been working on publication, I am not sure it is ready to go and we need a resolution to publish
17:30:25 <jongund> RS: I had some problem with the status section
17:30:51 <jongund> MC: That's because it is old content, i will be updating it
17:31:12 <jongund> MC: I updatied with editors draft
17:31:36 <jongund> RS: I think they need to fix 5.5.3
17:31:45 <jongund> Clown: I see it in the list
17:31:51 <jongund> RS: OK, good
17:32:22 <jongund> RS: Abstract stuff, I think you saw that, RDF stuff is still there
17:32:40 <jongund> MC: I don't think it needs to be in the spec, some people might be using it
17:33:04 <jongund> RS: We need to link to HTML5, not HTML 4
17:33:09 <jongund> JS: I agree
17:33:21 <jongund> JS: Doesn't sound like publication this week
17:33:32 <jongund> MC: Need to sort out who will make the edits
17:33:48 <jongund> MC: The user agent implementation guide needs some more work
17:33:57 <jongund> Clown: Not called that anymore
17:34:09 <jongund> MC: thats one of the issues
17:34:26 <jongund> RS: Mark as a defect and fix in next release
17:34:45 <jongund> MC: I think it can wait, but we hope to get public feedback
17:34:52 <jongund> JS: I think we should drop the RDF
17:34:59 <jongund> Clown: What does that mean?
17:35:07 <jongund> MC: Dropping the appendix
17:35:13 <MichaelC> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html
17:35:14 <jongund> RS: not quite
17:35:30 <jongund> RS: Let me find you an example
17:36:09 <jongund> RS: We have related concepts ...., a whole section on RDF in here
17:36:55 <jongund> RS: We have RDF properties, in section 5.1
17:37:13 <jongund> MC: That section might not be ...
17:37:36 <jongund> RS: You might want to save taking RDF out for next release
17:37:45 <jongund> RS: Don't we have an issue on this
17:37:55 <jongund> RS: Have we moved to bugzilla?
17:38:09 <jongund> MC: We are in transition
17:38:27 <jongund> JS: We are going to get some bugzilla to IRC support
17:38:41 <jongund> RS: We talked about it at FTF meeting
17:39:22 <jongund> MC: Creating an action item
17:40:09 <jongund> MC: Section 5 needs major edits
17:40:21 <jongund> RS: Also appednix
17:42:00 <jongund> MC: Plan was to use the side by side until tracker issues are closed
17:42:13 <jongund> MC: Other groups need to look at both
17:42:33 <jongund> MC: We won't worry about RDF for publication, just your comments
17:42:59 <jongund> MC: Current editors will be credited as a former editor
17:43:08 <jongund> JS: Editor emartitus
17:43:25 <jongund> RS: There are other people who should be included
17:44:14 <jongund> RS: need to be pointing to SVG 2, where aria-describedat will be
17:44:27 <jongund> MC: I am going to redo status
17:44:50 <jongund> MC: will add a new status and check with at least RS and JC
17:45:42 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html
17:45:54 <jongund> Clown: This is what I am looking at it
17:46:10 <jongund> Clown: How user agents should support keyboard...
17:46:24 <jongund> RS: I am finding stuff we need to delete
17:46:33 <jongund> MC: Mapping guide does need an edit
17:46:58 <jongund> RS: There is a lot of stuff that is not interesting anymore
17:47:55 <jongund> RS: The whole introductions need to be synchornoized
17:48:25 <jongund> RS: I should put the SVG thing in github, but it is ugly
17:48:47 <jongund> Clown: Send me an e-mail with what you want changed
17:48:56 <jongund> RS: What time is your meeting tomorrow?
17:49:02 <jongund> Clown: 3:00pm eastern
17:49:21 <jongund> RS: Michael do have enough to get this published?
17:49:40 <jongund> MC: I have to go over some things in the mapping guide, will not get done this week
17:49:55 <jongund> MC: The title "Core accessibility API mapping"?
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17:50:11 <jongund> MC: That is not in the document yet
17:50:17 <jongund> Clown: i will change it
17:50:27 <jongund> Clown: Change to "Core....
17:50:29 <jongund> "
17:50:46 <jongund> MC: Do we want the 1.1?  Started drafting ....
17:51:00 <jongund> MC: I think we still want to have 1.1
17:51:04 <jongund> Clown: Fine with me
17:51:08 <jongund> JS: Correct
17:51:17 <jongund> MC: I have a whole para in the status....
17:51:28 <jongund> MC: I will need a summary of what is new
17:52:02 <jongund> MC: If you have the changes that will be helpful
17:52:18 <jongund> MC: What do we want to ask the public about?
17:52:31 <jongund> MC: I always what to help people focus their reviews
17:52:35 <Zakim> -Joanmarie_Diggs
17:52:36 <clown> MichaelC:  https://github.com/w3c/aria/commits/master/implementation ?
17:52:45 <jongund> RS: There is not a huge about a stuff we want comments on
17:52:55 <Zakim> +Joanmarie_Diggs
17:52:55 <jongund> RS: What about role=none?
17:53:11 <jongund> RS: Alot of role=presentation out there
17:53:23 <jongund> RS: TABINDEX on tabs
17:53:34 <jongund> RS: ANy other thoughts?
17:53:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:54:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0000.html
17:54:45 <jongund> Clown: the ORCA people want updated API mappings, we can ask if I got it right
17:55:09 <jongund> RS: Editorial, number 4, why gird shows up as "red", some other elements are red
17:55:23 <jongund> Clown: If you mark them as code they come out red
17:55:37 <jongund> Clown: it might be the code tag or class name
17:55:42 <jongund> RS: Section 5.4
17:55:44 <clown> s/the ORCA people/the GNOME a11y team/
17:56:08 <jongund> MC: Code element
17:56:25 <jongund> MC: We can over write the style...
17:56:32 <jongund> more styling discussion....
17:56:53 <jongund>  MC: Might take a careful code review
17:58:39 <jongund> MC: The short name shows up in the URL
17:58:47 <jongund> RS: Is it all caps
17:58:57 <jongund> MC: I forgot what we decided
17:59:13 <jongund> RS: What is that section called...
17:59:46 <jongund> MC: Reference within the document and short name for the W3C, not rules, my pref is lowercase, but we can do upper case
17:59:52 <jongund> RS: You mean in the short name
17:59:54 <clown> +1 for lower case in W3C url.
18:00:35 <jongund> RS: I am with Joseph
18:00:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1 for URL’s as lower case
18:00:51 <jongund> MC: I will make a note, to use upper case for biblo..
18:00:59 <Zakim> -susannK
18:02:10 <jongund> MC: For the mapping specification, we need to send a transition request, we need to get it on record, it might be hard to do this week, next thursday is more likely
18:02:15 <Zakim> -Matt_King
18:02:23 <jongund> RS: its fine with me for next thursday
18:02:38 <jongund> MC: I am wokring in a branch right now
18:02:57 <jongund> RS: Any objections for publishing next thursday?
18:03:19 <jongund> RS: Do we need to discuss next week?
18:03:43 <jongund> MC: I will be at the advisory meeting next week, so I don't have anything specific
18:03:52 <jongund> RS: What changes will be done by wednesday
18:04:15 <jongund> MC: title, status section, short name....
18:04:46 <jongund> MC: I am working on a branch, you can also work on it
18:05:29 <jongund> MC: Thats it for the spec
18:06:05 <jongund> MC: Ratify on wednesday
18:06:18 <jongund> JS: Confirm on wednesday for pub on 12th
18:06:28 <jongund> MC: Can we get the confirmation now?
18:07:20 <jongund> MC: Want to to confirm by 5th
18:08:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1
18:08:38 <jongund> RESOLUTION: Request to transition Core Accessibility API Mappings 1.1 to FPWD and WAI-ARIA 1.1 for updated Working Draft
18:08:39 <bgaraventa1979> yes!
18:08:42 <jongund> +1
18:08:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> +1
18:08:55 <jongund> RS: Next
18:08:55 <clown> +1
18:09:01 <jongund> Issue 587
18:09:08 <clown> issue-587?
18:09:08 <trackbot> issue-587 -- Consider allowing the aria-selected state on any focusable element, or add a new attr like aria-active or aria-current -- open
18:09:08 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/587
18:09:53 <jongund> RS: We are looking at aria-current and not use aria-select
18:10:07 <jongund> RS: ATs don't want to hunt for these
18:10:23 <jongund> RS: The discussion is how to move forward
18:10:44 <jongund> RS: This will take an ID, and ..... shadow DOM
18:11:18 <jongund> RS: aria-current is on a container...
18:11:37 <jongund> Joanie: question
18:11:59 <jongund> RS: you could have an aria-owns and it could be outisde the container
18:12:33 <jongund> Joanie: Something other than explicit relationship
18:12:59 <jongund> RS: It would be on a container and then there would need to be a reverse
18:13:10 <jongund> RS: this seems like a new relationship
18:13:24 <joanie> jongund: aha. That's Cynthia talking; not me
18:13:53 <clown> s/Joanie: question/CS: question/
18:13:56 <cyns> <div role=progress>
18:14:01 <jongund> Cynthia: I want something other that an ID ref, like ...
18:14:03 <cyns> <div role=step>
18:14:09 <clown> s/Joanie: Something other than explicit relationship/CS: Something other than explicit relationship/
18:14:13 <cyns> <div role=step aria-currant>
18:15:05 <jongund> CS: If you have a progress diagram, the container is a progress, ...
18:15:49 <jongund> RS: That was a step within a progress, the role=step is a descendant of role=progress, it is in a progress container
18:16:09 <clown> q+ to note that Bryan G. wrote spec text for aria-current in ACTION-1442.
18:16:15 <jongund> Joanie: I am not sure I understand it, it is preferable than hunting
18:16:33 <jongund> RS: Given this type of role there can only be one type of container
18:16:47 <jongund> RS: A good example is listbox, it can only have options
18:17:23 <jongund> RS: Option can only be inside of a listbox, so the container is known
18:17:30 <jongund> RS: Is that enough
18:18:00 <jongund> Joanie: I am not trying to be difficult, ...., steps along a process, it may be hard to find where it says
18:18:18 <jongund> RS: We don't have one of those left, like "breadcrumb"
18:18:20 <bgaraventa1979> +q
18:18:55 <jongund> RS: navigation region is a good example, in that case you would need a relationship
18:19:11 <jongund> RS: Is there anywhere we can just use aria-current?
18:19:31 <jongund> RS: I have seen navigation with tree widgets....
18:19:42 <jongund> CS: What is more common, a column with 12 links....
18:20:05 <jongund> RS: In that case you can go back to the container, is that OK Joanie?
18:20:21 <jongund> Joanie: What I need to know what is the current for?
18:20:43 <jongund> Joanie: Can we provide an ROLE, go from the current object ....
18:21:01 <jongund> CS: There can be several roles that can have a current
18:21:13 <jongund> Joanie: I go up until I find the role
18:21:26 <clown> <div role="step" aria-current="true" aria-context="navigation">?
18:21:45 <clown> where aria-navigation takes a role value.
18:21:47 <jongund> RS: The definition of aria-current, would it be better to say it only applies to specific roles
18:22:02 <jongund> Jaonie: as long as it is not on too many roles
18:22:17 <jongund> BG: There is also pagination......
18:22:32 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
18:22:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/02-aria-minutes.html janina
18:22:37 <jongund> BG: Have essentially images are being used as part of authentication
18:23:11 <jongund> BG: There are many scenarios that current could help, outside of navigation
18:23:46 <jongund> RS: The current should look for container elements, do we need currentfor?
18:23:55 <jongund> CS: I think they are different use cases
18:24:24 <jongund> RS: I think we will need to expand on the use cases, it will require some API changes in the platforms
18:24:45 <jongund> RS: 1. we have an aria-current which applies to an element in a navigation container
18:25:14 <jongund> RS: 2. aria-currentfor that would apply to any container, takes a single idref
18:25:19 <jongund> CS: Makes sense to me
18:25:37 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442
18:25:37 <jongund> Clown: Look at Issue-1442
18:25:50 <jongund> Clown: Look at  action-1442
18:25:53 <clown> zakim, ack me
18:25:53 <Zakim> Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to note that Bryan G. wrote spec text for aria-current in ACTION-1442.
18:25:55 <Zakim> I see Bryan_Garaventa on the speaker queue
18:26:33 <jongund> RS: should it be called called aria-currentfor?
18:26:54 <jongund> RS: What about context....
18:27:16 <jongund> BG: What if there is nesting
18:27:39 <jongund> We need to have similar names
18:27:54 <jongund> Clown: owns is for parent child relationships
18:28:23 <jongund> BG: If you are referencing a parent element from ...
18:28:38 <jongund> RS: that is a different use case, new action item?
18:28:53 <jongund> RS: mixing two different things in the same action
18:29:12 <jongund> RS: Can we change this one to currentfor and then create a new action
18:29:35 <jongund> RS: I think we have enough for JC to write spec text,
18:29:46 <jongund> CS: As long as the action item....
18:29:54 <jongund> RS: Can I edit the cation BG
18:29:57 <jongund> BG: yes
18:30:12 <jongund> BG: I think JC was on the callw e assigned the action item
18:30:13 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
18:30:26 <jongund> RS: I think we changed it to currentfor...
18:30:35 <jongund> RS: Let me put this text in heere
18:30:43 <jongund> RS: We are at the end of time
18:31:54 <jongund> RS: Assign to LW?
18:32:03 <jongund> LW: I would be happy to give it a shot
18:32:23 <jongund> RS: I could do it, but I am swamped, I know everyone else is too
18:32:48 <jongund> RS: I will see if you are in the list, I will assign to LW
18:33:56 <jongund> zakim scribe
18:34:01 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
18:34:02 <jongund> zakim, scribe
18:34:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribe', jongund
18:34:57 <jongund> scribe: jongund
18:35:12 <joanie> +1 to having the text first before trying to map it
18:35:38 <jongund> rrsagent, scribe: jongund
18:35:38 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'scribe: jongund', jongund.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:36:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
18:36:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, bye
18:36:13 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Stefan_Schnabel, susannK, rich, Jon_Gunderson, Joanmarie_Diggs, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, LJWatson, Matt_King,
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18:36:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:36:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/02-aria-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger
18:36:22 <clown> scribe;  jongund
18:36:28 <clown> scribe:  jongund
18:36:31 <jongund> my phone died
18:36:43 <jongund> I can send the minues
18:36:46 <jongund> I can send the minutes
18:37:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> ok. you send them thanks!
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19:04:31 <janina> zakim, who's here?
19:05:00 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: ARIA Teleconference; Monday 9 June at 17:00Z for 90 minutes; Zakim 92473#
19:05:07 <janina> zakim, who's here?
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