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13:24:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:24:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:24:41 <trackbot> Date: 28 May 2014
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13:25:09 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
13:25:09 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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13:25:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:25:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:25:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:25:13 <trackbot> Date: 28 May 2014
13:25:21 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:25:22 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:25:23 <sharper> Agenda+ Accessible Wayfinding Progress [sharper]
13:25:25 <sharper> Agenda+ Ranking of Research Priorities [all]
13:25:26 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/open [sharper]
13:25:27 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic [sharper]
13:25:28 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Catalogue Topic [sharper]
13:25:29 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Any Other Business 	 [sharper]
13:25:32 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:25:39 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/05/28-rd-agenda.rdf
13:25:42 <sharper> .first
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13:27:38 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:27:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:27:56 <sharper> regrets: Klaus, giorgio
13:30:11 <sharper> Last weeks - and previous minutes can be found at:
13:30:12 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/minutes-history>
13:30:13 <sharper> Keep on-top of scribing at:
13:30:15 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
13:30:16 <sharper> Scribing Commands:
13:30:16 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Weekly_Call_Scribing>
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13:31:54 <Zakim> +??P4
13:31:58 <sharper> zakim, ??P4 is sharper
13:31:58 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:32:09 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:32:09 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
13:32:16 <Zakim> +??P6
13:32:30 <markel> zakim, ??P6 is markel
13:32:30 <Zakim> +markel; got it
13:32:33 <Bim> zakim, call bim-617
13:32:33 <Zakim> ok, Bim; the call is being made
13:32:34 <Zakim> +Bim
13:32:44 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:32:44 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:32:45 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:32:48 <Zakim> +??P5
13:32:52 <markel> not warm at all
13:32:55 <markel> :-)
13:33:04 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:33:04 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:33:10 <annika> zakim, ??P5 is me
13:33:10 <Zakim> +annika; got it
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13:33:55 <shadi> ack me
13:34:09 <Bim> zakim, mute me
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13:34:14 <Vivienne> scribe: vivienne
13:34:42 <Vivienne> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:34:42 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Accessible Wayfinding Progress" taken up [from sharper]
13:35:15 <Zakim> +??P3
13:35:27 <christos> zakim, ??P3 is me
13:35:27 <Zakim> +christos; got it
13:35:45 <Vivienne> vivienne: progress on accessible wayfinding progress - topic is up there, but haven't added anything
13:36:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:36:41 <Vivienne> Christos: hasn't had time to work on the wayfinding, but from this week on will be able to put work into it
13:36:52 <Vivienne> I should be able to put some stuff into it this weekend too
13:37:03 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:37:03 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:37:07 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/charter4
13:37:45 <Vivienne> SH: charter shows we have 8 symposiums within the next charter period. First was Justin/Sylvia in eLearning (November 2013), one was for March, July and November
13:37:59 <Vivienne> SH: ranking will be based on the remaining topics
13:38:50 <Vivienne> SH: accessible wayfinding will be something perhaps for November.  Too late for July one, but could be for November.  We want to cover the entire set of symposia.  If we can run this one in November, we will need to have confirmed symposium and ready to go to announcement for July.
13:38:53 <Vivienne> q+
13:38:56 <Vivienne> ack me
13:38:57 <sharper> ack v
13:39:00 <christos> q+
13:39:39 <Vivienne> SH: need catalogue topic - need to make announcement in September.
13:39:42 <sharper> ack chr
13:39:50 <Vivienne> Christos: timeline is do-able
13:39:59 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:39:59 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:40:33 <Vivienne> annika: should be able to get catalogue items ready - should be okay with this time
13:40:34 <shadi> q+
13:40:38 <sharper> ack s
13:40:48 <shadi> ack me
13:41:00 <christos> q-
13:41:42 <Vivienne> SA: aren't we still prioritizing topics?  good to create a catalogue items, but what about the 'web of things' as we were hoping to get people from one of the other working groups.  We could have 1 for October too.
13:42:15 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:42:15 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:42:16 <Vivienne> SH: should be able to have them close together.  We have some to make up.  We did this with Easy to Read and Text Customization
13:42:48 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:42:48 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:43:00 <Vivienne> SH: should have this ready end of July - people will be away in August so people won't be available then.  We need to be ready to go for beginning of September
13:43:21 <Vivienne> Need everything that should be ready for end of July
13:44:16 <Vivienne> SH: welcome Bim Egan to the group - has done lots of work looking at the draft reports
13:44:35 <Bim> ack me
13:46:34 <Vivienne> BE: provided an introduction - part of WAI-ACT project. Started work on tutorials, but now doing more on communications/accessibility.  Worked for RNIB as Senior Accessibility Technologist, Web Author BBC.
13:46:45 <Bim> zakim, mute me
13:46:45 <Zakim> Bim should now be muted
13:46:52 <annika> zakim, unmute me
13:46:52 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
13:48:05 <annika> zakim, mute me
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13:48:06 <Vivienne> introductions by the group members for Bim
13:49:33 <shadi> ack me
13:49:49 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:49:49 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:50:14 <Vivienne> ack me
13:51:26 <Vivienne> SH: thanks to Bim for helping with getting reports sorted - reading and editing for the metrics note
13:51:45 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:51:45 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:51:52 <Vivienne> zakim, take up agendum 3
13:51:52 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Ranking of Research Priorities" taken up [from all via sharper]
13:52:52 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics
13:53:12 <Vivienne> SH: will edit the wiki in real time, some will be shelved, some will be catalogue topics, some will be symposia
13:53:59 <Vivienne> SH: look at raw topics first
13:54:49 <Vivienne> SH: will announce the topic and we can discuss
13:54:54 <Vivienne> zakim, ack me
13:54:54 <Zakim> unmuting Vivienne
13:54:55 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:55:12 <Vivienne> good luck on minuting this!
13:55:26 <markel> +1
13:55:30 <christos> +1
13:55:32 <Vivienne> +1
13:56:14 <Vivienne> SH: authoring accessibility (Simon's addition).
13:56:17 <justin> shelve
13:56:18 <Vivienne> Don't know?
13:56:18 <markel> q+
13:56:27 <sharper> ack mar
13:56:34 <shadi> ack me
13:57:07 <Vivienne> okay, makes sense - I say shelve it
13:57:34 <Vivienne> MV: vote for keep it in list
13:57:47 <christos> I agree with shelving it... too many other interesting topics
13:58:14 <Vivienne> SA: at least as a catalogue topic
13:58:36 <sharper> * [[Authoring Accessibility]] (Simple, Authoring Language, Rapid Development.)
13:58:50 <shadi> zakim, mute me
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13:58:57 <Vivienne> SH: summary - suggested shelving it, but some of the email and on the call suggest we keep it in top most wanted.
13:59:18 <Vivienne> Item 2: guideline specification languages
13:59:32 <Vivienne> SH: suggest catalogue topic
14:00:09 <shadi> ack me
14:00:29 <Vivienne> Christos: could be interesting - agree for catalogue topic
14:00:38 <Vivienne> SA: borderline - catalogue & shelving
14:01:15 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:01:15 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:01:18 <Vivienne> SA: might take quite a bit of research to get ready
14:01:34 <Vivienne> SH: shelve it for now
14:01:45 <Vivienne> Item 3: open research frameworks & toolkits
14:02:14 <Vivienne> SH: was thinking about ACTF toolkit and others.  Can't see anyone wanting to have this from emails.  Suggest shelve
14:02:39 <Vivienne> SH: no comments - so shelve it
14:02:51 <Vivienne> Item 4 - Web Inclusion
14:02:54 <shadi> ack me
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14:03:30 <Vivienne> SA: a number of people expressed interest in the email.  Need a research question identified.
14:03:35 <Zakim> +??P13
14:03:45 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:03:45 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:03:47 <markel> zakim, ??p13 is me
14:03:47 <Zakim> +markel; got it
14:03:48 <Vivienne> I'd like it on the list
14:04:00 <Vivienne> SH: this one is on the list
14:04:10 <Vivienne> Item 4 - web page sampling
14:04:11 <shadi> s/Need a research question/Need the research questions to be clearly
14:04:22 <Vivienne> SH: shelve?  maybe a catalogue topic
14:04:33 <shadi> ack me
14:04:35 <annika> zakim, unmute me
14:04:35 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
14:04:35 <Vivienne> Markel - like the topic but needs specialised people
14:04:41 <Vivienne> q+
14:04:49 <Vivienne> ack me
14:05:00 <Vivienne> Shadi - we have lots of evaluation topics already
14:05:24 <Vivienne> Annika - sampling topic has been discussed in Eval Method and reviews there.
14:05:27 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:05:27 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:05:35 <Vivienne> Christos - agree
14:06:10 <Vivienne> Vivienne
14:06:17 <Vivienne> Suggest we leave this one off
14:06:28 <christos> shelved
14:06:37 <Vivienne> SH: shelve
14:06:54 <Vivienne> SH: Ubiquitous Web Accessibility - 3 people have it in their top 5
14:06:56 <shadi> ack me
14:07:43 <Vivienne> SA: relates to web of things and wearables
14:07:55 <Vivienne> SA: if its combined with wearables it could be good
14:08:07 <Vivienne> Markel: some things could be joined - this could be in Internet of Things
14:08:12 <christos> +1 on merging...
14:08:18 <Vivienne> SH: see about combining with Internet of Things?
14:08:20 <Vivienne> +1
14:08:47 <Vivienne> SH: propose to combine it with Web of Things
14:09:06 <Vivienne> User Evaluation Methods for Web Accessibility Evlauation
14:09:50 <Vivienne> SH: should it be in most-wanted or on the top 10?
14:10:56 <Vivienne> SA: want this one as a catalogue entry - too narrow for a symposium.  Would take a lot of resources to agree on the scope
14:11:48 <Vivienne> Christos: it is an interesting topic - we have discussed this some already - based on a process rather than checklist.  This falls within the process realm and could be interesting.
14:12:20 <Vivienne> SA: how much could we do in a symposia
14:12:32 <Vivienne> Christos: could find out
14:14:19 <Vivienne> SA: don't have hope we can get consensus, could highlight different methods on which is the best way in a symposium
14:14:43 <Vivienne> SA: suggest that Vivienne and Annika put it in a wiki topic - would the research questions look like?
14:15:06 <Vivienne> SH: put it into a catalogue topic because the 3 people who are most vocal are the ones doing some of the next symposiums
14:15:16 <christos> 2 in the price of 1!
14:15:42 <Vivienne> SH: could put it in a catalogue topic and then it could be developed further into a symposium in the future
14:15:52 <shadi> zakim, mute me
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14:16:24 <Vivienne> Vivienne/Christos/Annika okay with that - put it into a catalogue topic
14:16:38 <Vivienne> Benefits of Accessibility - there isn't anything in there
14:16:45 <shadi> +1 to catalog for user evaluation - would highlight the research questions
14:16:55 <Vivienne> Accessible Security - isn't on anyone's list.
14:17:08 <shadi> ack me
14:17:16 <Vivienne> MV: means authentication methods and similar - could be joined to another
14:18:11 <shadi> zakim, mute me
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14:18:31 <Vivienne> Christos: privacy in terms of mechanisms to ensure privacy - not sure of the other aspects
14:19:11 <Vivienne> SH: put this into the catalogue topic and Markel could look at security/privacy aspects - could be brought back to the group for a symposium later
14:19:20 <Vivienne> MV: happy to go with a catalogue topic first
14:19:27 <Vivienne> Cloud Computing Accessibility
14:19:34 <shadi> ack me
14:19:39 <Vivienne> SH: suggest adding Cloud to Ubiquitous
14:19:42 <justin> agrred
14:19:55 <Vivienne> SH: put them into a catalogue topic initially
14:19:55 <christos> +1
14:19:58 <Vivienne> +1
14:20:04 <justin> +1
14:20:27 <annika> +1
14:21:14 <shadi> zakim, mute me
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14:21:17 <Vivienne> SH: there are good questions to ask here in this topic.
14:21:27 <Vivienne> Accessible Ads
14:21:37 <shadi> ack me
14:21:56 <christos> don't like it as well
14:22:22 <Vivienne> SA: a good idea, relating to benefits of accessibility.  We have lots of other topics - suggest shelving it for now.
14:22:41 <Vivienne> MV: Peter would be able to give more information on this - can be put back in later
14:22:56 <Vivienne> Personally I'd like to see video ads with captions, then I'd be happy!
14:23:02 <Vivienne> CSS accessibility
14:23:30 <Vivienne> SA: very broad topic - shelve for now
14:24:55 <Vivienne> SA: people with visual impairments other than blindness have been under-served with assistive technology.  Could be potentially interesting for researchers - using CSS in different ways for people who haven't been served well with AT
14:25:05 <Vivienne> SH: bin it for now?
14:25:22 <Vivienne> Technology for accessibility such as voice and Braille interface
14:25:46 <Vivienne> SH: shelve it?
14:26:01 <Vivienne> Virtual realty & augmented reality - combine?
14:26:14 <Vivienne> SH: these have been put on the list by quite a few people
14:27:28 <Vivienne> SA: there is a cluster of related topics - augmented, wearable, accessible way-finding, cloud
14:28:07 <Vivienne> SH: could provide the basis for good research if we can get these topics out there
14:28:19 <Vivienne> SH: tangible/wearables are related also
14:28:26 <shadi> [[waerables - augmented - open linked data - way-finding - privacy - cloud ...]]
14:29:21 <Vivienne> thanks all, good night.
14:29:32 <Zakim> -markel.a
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14:35:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, markel, in WAI_RDWG()9:30AM
14:35:02 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
14:35:02 <Zakim> Attendees were sharper, Vivienne, markel, Bim, Shadi, annika, christos, [IPcaller]
14:38:57 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:38:57 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:38:57 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:39:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:39:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/28-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:39:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:39:06 <RRSAgent> I see no action items