IRC log of webapps on 2014-05-21
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- 00:00:58 [RRSAgent]
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- 00:01:09 [Travis]
- RRSAgent: this meeting spans midnight
- 00:01:14 [Travis]
- zakim, this is d3e
- 00:01:17 [Zakim]
- Travis, I see RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be d3e".
- 00:02:03 [Travis]
- zakim, who is on the phone
- 00:02:03 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Travis
- 00:06:13 [garykac]
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- 00:09:55 [garykac]
- hello?
- 00:10:05 [masayuki]
- Hello.
- 00:11:02 [Travis]
- Present+ Travis
- 00:11:06 [Travis]
- Present+ garykac
- 00:11:13 [Travis]
- Present+ masayuki
- 00:11:50 [garykac]
- Did you see this posting to public-webapps: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0519.html
- 00:12:08 [garykac]
- Regarding the term "default action"
- 00:12:52 [garykac]
- We use "default action" through the D3E spec - but it seems like we should use a different term to avoid confusion
- 00:13:54 [garykac]
- It seems like we should also call out onclick (and the other two? events) that are inconsistent with the rest of the events
- 00:16:35 [garykac]
- See also the discussion at the end of https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12230#c25
- 00:20:24 [Travis]
- Topic: things to have done prior to last-call entry
- 00:20:38 [Travis]
- What are some of the bugs we'd like to have addressed before last call?
- 00:20:56 [Travis]
- (Ideally all bugs, but this is not a requirement)
- 00:21:21 [Travis]
- The bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 is probably one to address (integration with DOM4)
- 00:23:32 [Travis]
- Gary is cooking up a change to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25723 at the moment as well...
- 00:25:01 [masayuki]
- I want to resolve this https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25683
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- 00:26:31 [masayuki]
- even if it's not defined, D3E should define browsers MAY delay to fire some events and they become non-cancelable events.
- 00:31:00 [Travis]
- Makes sense.
- 00:33:04 [Travis]
- Let's now review the email we wanted to send last week: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VqwfHyNDtoOoDzZZ7xZlrcxtcy8ZORV1pUoRjRbwJro/edit?pli=1
- 00:33:38 [Travis]
- The feedback we got was that some of the prose here is very useful for a conceptual understanding of the algorithms in DOM4.
- 00:35:54 [Travis]
- We could consider leaving in (after cleaning up) section 3, while removing only section 4 (the basic event interfaces)
- 00:36:26 [Travis]
- Section 4 has an intro graphic which was helpful showing the event's hierarchy
- 00:37:13 [Travis]
- But then, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4 are all redundant.
- 00:42:52 [Travis]
- 4.5 also (I noticed that IE adds createEvent to SVGSvgElement
- 00:43:02 [Travis]
- ... but no other browser does this)
- 00:46:44 [masayuki]
- IE supports event constructor, why is it added to SVGSvgElement? I think that this should be legacy and browsers shouldn't add support range if there are no resonable reasons.
- 00:47:55 [masayuki]
- E.g., for improving compatibility with other browsers.
- 00:54:50 [Travis]
- (garykac is fixing Fig. 2 right now.)
- 00:56:50 [lmclister]
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- 01:01:49 [Travis]
- Proposal for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 is to...
- 01:02:28 [Travis]
- Remove the formal IDL definitions of sections 4.1, .2, .3, .4, and .5
- 01:02:45 [Travis]
- 2) Move the hierarchy diagram into section 3
- 01:03:02 [Travis]
- 3) Run an editorial pass over section 3 to make it officially non-normative
- 01:03:19 [Travis]
- (remove the MUST and MAY text in favor of "can" and "might", etc.)
- 01:03:36 [Travis]
- (easy reading explainer)
- 01:04:46 [Travis]
- We may want a non-normative replacement for the API definitions of DOM4, so that we can cross-link within our document without requiring the reader to leave the spec entirely for the definitions.
- 01:05:02 [Travis]
- (Sorry: the IDL definitions currently in section 4)
- 01:07:32 [garykac]
- It sounds like we no longer need to send the email out.
- 01:07:48 [garykac]
- Since we're going to keep the sections, and only remove the redundant stuff.
- 01:12:16 [Travis]
- Let's see if we can tackle some remaining bugs, and then the editors will attempt this next monday.
- 01:13:06 [Travis]
- Does anyone have a conflict with another DOM 3 Events telecon next week?
- 01:14:35 [masayuki]
- no problem
- 01:14:42 [karl]
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- 01:17:45 [garykac]
- See everyone next week - we're hoping (once again) to have most of the bugs resolved by then.
- 01:17:59 [garykac]
- I'll finish up figure 2 (and update the spec to remove the "issue")
- 01:23:34 [Travis]
- rrsagent, make the minutes
- 01:23:34 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-webapps-minutes.html Travis
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
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- rrsagent, bye
- 11:36:33 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items