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20:50:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
20:50:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
20:50:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
20:50:58 <trackbot> Date: 14 May 2014
20:51:09 <janina_> agenda?
20:51:13 <janina_> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference
20:51:13 <janina_> Chair: Janina_Sajka
20:51:13 <janina_> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
20:51:13 <janina_> agenda+ TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
20:51:13 <janina_> agenda+ Editor's Report
20:51:15 <janina_> agenda+ Events Heartbeat
20:51:18 <janina_> agenda+ User Context FPWD Candidate http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2014May/0000.html
20:51:21 <janina_> agenda+ Shall we move to GitHub?  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2014May/0007.html
20:51:24 <janina_> agenda+ Events Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/2
20:51:27 <janina_> agenda+ User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3
20:51:30 <janina_> agenda+ Be Done
20:54:13 <Zakim> WAI_Indie()5:00PM has now started
20:54:20 <Zakim> +??P5
20:54:26 <janina_>  zakim, ??P5 is me
20:54:26 <Zakim> +janina_; got it
20:54:34 <janina_> zakim, next item
20:54:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina_]
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21:02:14 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P8 is Jason_White
21:02:14 <Zakim> +Jason_White; got it
21:03:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Rich
21:03:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> agenda?
21:04:04 <Zakim> +James_Craig
21:04:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
21:04:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/" taken up [from janina_]
21:05:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
21:06:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: the other item I wanted to pickup up would be a move to github
21:06:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: our charter says to use mercurial
21:06:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: it depends on the level of objection
21:07:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we don’t have a formal obligation to stick to it.
21:07:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we could amend it by group consensus?
21:07:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: yes, if nobody objects.
21:08:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: so you want to amend the work statement to not use mercurial?
21:08:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: I would like to propose on list to switch to github
21:09:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: my opinion is that if James and Michael want to go to github it is fine with me.
21:09:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> jason: you can get a clone of the history at any moment and it is the most widely used today.
21:10:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> jason: in terms of source code control
21:10:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: any objection to change the consensus process from 7 days to 48 hours?
21:11:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: the one consideration it would be bandying about whether this joint effort with web events should be one with web apps.
21:11:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: if we are not pursuing it then we have nothing to consider
21:12:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: I don’t think Judy is concerned.  she has a package of charters going in that does not include indie-ui
21:13:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we need to determine if there would need to be a new task force with webapps.
21:13:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: if we get to the CFC for events … it will be today or tonight to get it out
21:14:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: what if we do a preannounce CFC that IndieUI User Context is getting ready for a first public working draft and people should start reviewing now
21:14:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: we would be giving 7 days notice just not 7 days formal notice for CFC
21:14:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: for publications that might be a pattern we adopt
21:15:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we have it so that decisions are held in 7 day review
21:15:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: I know people are shocked by PF 48 hours but it has never been an issue
21:16:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: I just wanted to explore this.
21:16:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: it was doug schepers  ….
21:16:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: anything else for 2 minutes:
21:16:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: TPAC
21:17:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we expect to meet at TPAC and we expect to meet with webapps.
21:17:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: nothing more to add then.
21:17:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: Indie-UI meets early in the week
21:17:40 <jcraig> October 27-28?
21:18:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: wcag is meeting early in the week
21:18:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: so I will have split duty
21:18:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we will see more when we get closer
21:18:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: I will need to meet with the SVG working group part of the time.
21:19:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: SVG, I believe is meeting later in the week.
21:19:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: it is a space evailable sort of thing
21:19:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: some teams may need to be moved.
21:20:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
21:20:06 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Editor's Report" taken up [from janina_]
21:20:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: since last meeting I finished up the first public working draft of user context. I am still working on the first draft of events
21:20:46 <janina_> regrets: Andrew_Larking, Andy_Heath
21:20:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: I have cleared much of the afternoon so maybe I can get at this today
21:21:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: I added in an example user prompt image
21:22:03 <jcraig> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/default/src/img/example_dialog.svg
21:22:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: this is a diaog with a shared media player.
21:23:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: this is one example where they application may prompt the user for properties
21:23:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: I have actually addded the aria roles in SVG
21:23:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: in several modern browsers it will come up as a dialog box with a label
21:24:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: the example is perceived as a dialog
21:25:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: we could even drop this in line in html
21:25:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: did you drop tabindex in it?
21:25:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: yes
21:26:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: I think it would be cool
21:27:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: It thinks it is a real dialog
21:27:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: I will make use of jason’s suggestion to remove the image and use SVG source only.
21:29:23 <Zakim> -kurosawa
21:30:00 <Zakim> +??P0
21:30:23 <jcraig> Zakim, ??P0 is kurosawa
21:30:23 <Zakim> +kurosawa; got it
21:32:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: now that we published aria 1.1 it is valid
21:32:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: yes
21:33:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: most of the authoring tools don’t provide a good way to save this as a source and re-edit it
21:35:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: if an author would somehow render an element that is nor ordinarily rendered the validator should flag an error
21:35:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: if it is a block element you could render it
21:36:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: you could render a script element with display:block in HTML but it is clearly an author error
21:36:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: anything else James
21:36:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: no
21:37:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
21:37:00 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Events Heartbeat" taken up [from janina_]
21:37:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we need to run a call for consensus
21:37:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: I need a URI to do it right
21:38:17 <MichaelC> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/aa30a30f4445/src/indie-ui-events.html
21:38:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: I will put that out later tonight and give us 7 days to comment.
21:39:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: I am still a blocker and have more to do
21:39:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: … trigger control
21:39:17 <MichaelC> (above URI is for a version edited May 1)
21:39:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: If I am unable to get it done this week then we should do the heartbeat without it but I would really like to get this critical piece in.
21:40:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: if James has something critical to get in we should do it.
21:41:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: would friday for publication for review be ok?
21:41:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: are we shooting for Friday for review?
21:42:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: the URI would change
21:43:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: what if send out the URL and then some has changes?
21:43:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: I like to see a diff
21:43:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: I am not sure I can provide a URL
21:43:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: I think we are overworrying this over minor edits
21:44:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: what if we say this is the last substantial change?
21:44:31 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: I always put minor changes out on the list
21:45:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we will run the CFC as soon as I get the email from James
21:45:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
21:45:13 <Zakim> agendum 5. "User Context FPWD Candidate http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2014May/0000.html" taken up [from janina_]
21:45:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: this is a draft for us to review
21:45:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: it would be helpful for us to share our specific concerns
21:45:56 <janina_> http://yrlesru.github.io/SPA/
21:46:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: I found this to indicate how to work privacy into our specs.
21:47:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: it is only 6 pages and I will read and report back
21:48:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: the answer is yest to the first one
21:48:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/yest/yes/
21:49:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> jason: if any of these are true then we have an issue
21:49:19 <jcraig> Create a clear understanding of the description of the technical functioning of the SUR,
21:49:20 <jcraig> Identify the data flow between internal components (interactors) of the SUR and external components (interactors),
21:49:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: yes
21:49:21 <jcraig> Classify the data identified in Step 2 to understand the data processed (I.E., the Privacy Data Lifecycle defined by IAPP knowledge base) and whether the SUR features can identify, link to, or through observation otherwise determine the person associated with the personal information,
21:49:23 <jcraig> Identify applicable privacy principles and associated privacy safeguarding requirements, such as those from [2] that apply to the primary use cases for the SUR,
21:49:24 <jcraig> Outline the threats created by analyzing the data flows from Step 2, along with the data classification from Step 3 and the applicable privacy requirements from Step 4,
21:49:25 <jcraig> Identify appropriate privacy control mechanisms that can be introduced to safeguard data protection, and
21:49:26 <jcraig> Consider approaches, beyond the privacy controls in Step 6, that will enhance privacy, such as limits on collection, limits for retention, rules for secure transfer, rules for limiting identification or obfuscation, for those deploying the specification or standard.
21:51:44 <jasonjgw> Rich: users can opt in, but if the user wasn't able to use the site unless they declared whether a screen reader was used, this could raise concerns.
21:53:09 <jasonjgw> Rich suggests a note in the spec to discourage collection of personal information.
21:54:39 <jcraig> q+ to mention privacy group SPA mentions FPWD as ideal start time
21:54:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we should not out an author must without testing. We could put up a plan to test things
21:55:01 <jasonjgw> James and Michael discuss the possibility of adding author requirements in this area. This raises the question of how authoring requirements can be tested when the testable statements in the spec are verified.
21:55:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack jcraig
21:55:02 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to mention privacy group SPA mentions FPWD as ideal start time
21:55:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: I am skimming this privacy assessemnt draft and another piece that is itneresting to us
21:56:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: The application of the SPA process should not wait until the final milestones but instead should be applied from the first milestone, when a Recommendation is being drafted with its first working draft. The various activities that apply to each milestone include:
21:56:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: they will say that it is great that you want to do this.
21:56:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: they will assign some privacy champs from that group
21:57:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: I don’t know that they would do that. they may require us to assign a privacy champ for the gorup
21:57:31 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/gorup/group/
21:57:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: Katie has been one of they privacy champions.
21:58:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: at very call we might ask if there are any privacy considreations?
21:58:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/considereations/considerations/
21:59:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: left to their own devices a working group might run ramshod over a privacy issue
21:59:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we will find out
21:59:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: we should have a accessibility considerations paper
22:00:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> jcraig: here is an accessibilty consideration for your spec.
22:00:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: the best way to help the group would be to do an SVG flow chart.
22:00:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we are at the hour foks
22:01:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://github.com/w3c/aria
22:01:30 <jcraig> jasonjgw, https://github.com/w3c/aria
22:01:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, bye
22:01:44 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were janina_, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, kurosawa, Michael_Cooper, Jason_White, James_Craig
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22:01:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, make minutes
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