IRC log of html-a11y-media on 2014-05-12

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Zakim, this will be 2119

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML A11Y)9:00AM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 12 May 2014

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Media Sub-Group

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Chair: Mark Sadecki

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agenda+ Identify Scribe

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agenda+ TV & Web: Collaboration on Use Cases and Requirements

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agenda+ Media Accessibility User Requirements

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agenda+ Open Media Bugs for 5.0 and 5.1

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agenda+ Media Demo and Resources

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agenda+ What requires testing in HTML5

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zakim, agenda?

13:54:36 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. Identify Scribe [from MarkS]

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2. TV & Web: Collaboration on Use Cases and Requirements [from MarkS]

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3. Media Accessibility User Requirements [from MarkS]

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4. Open Media Bugs for 5.0 and 5.1 [from MarkS]

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5. Media Demo and Resources [from MarkS]

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6. What requires testing in HTML5 [from MarkS]

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WAI_PFWG(HTML A11Y)9:00AM has now started

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+??P5

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+Mark_Sadecki

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zakim, ??P5 is Janina

14:00:23 [Zakim]

+Janina; got it

14:01:08 [aardrian]

Getting a message on the call that "conference is restricted at this time." What's up?

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HI, I am having an issue dialing into the bridge

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the conference is restricted at this time (?)

14:02:30 [aardrian]

I am getting same issue.

14:03:09 [JF]

I suspect that Mark did not re-schedule the meeging with Zakim

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*meeting

14:03:27 [aardrian]

Ah. Makes sense.

14:03:29 [MarkS]

ok guys, give me a second

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:)

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-Mark_Sadecki

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-Janina

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WAI_PFWG(HTML A11Y)9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Mark_Sadecki, Janina

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trackbot, associate this channel with #html-a11y

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Associated this channel with #html-a11y.

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trackbot, start meeting

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 2119

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 12 May 2014

14:05:40 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see WAI_HTML AT()11:00AM scheduled to start in 55 minutes

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zakim, agenda?

14:06:06 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. Identify Scribe [from MarkS]

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2. TV & Web: Collaboration on Use Cases and Requirements [from MarkS]

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3. Media Accessibility User Requirements [from MarkS]

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4. Open Media Bugs for 5.0 and 5.1 [from MarkS]

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5. Media Demo and Resources [from MarkS]

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6. What requires testing in HTML5 [from MarkS]

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zakim, code?

14:06:55 [Zakim]

the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MarkS

14:07:14 [MarkS]

yeah, me too now

14:07:25 [MarkS]

its associated with the right meeting now though, so I don't know why

14:07:38 [JF]

scheduled to start in 55 minutes

14:07:58 [MarkS]

it should still work though.

14:08:09 [MarkS]

its the 9:00 meeting that is causing the problem

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zakim, room for 8 now?

14:08:20 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, MarkS.

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zakim, room for 8?

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ok, MarkS; conference Team_(html-a11y-media)14:08Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1508Z

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Team_(html-a11y-media)14:08Z has now started

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agenda?

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+Mark_Sadecki

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ok, the code is 26631

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+??P8

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zakim, ??P8 is me

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+janina; got it

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+John_Foliot

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Are we good to call in?

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Zakim, John_Foliot is JF

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+JF; got it

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+Adrian_Roselli

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zakim, take up item 1

14:11:32 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from MarkS]

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scribe: janina

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zakim, take up next item

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agendum 1 was just opened, MarkS

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zakim, close item 1

14:12:07 [Zakim]

agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. TV & Web: Collaboration on Use Cases and Requirements [from MarkS]

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zakim, take up next item

14:12:10 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "TV & Web: Collaboration on Use Cases and Requirements" taken up [from MarkS]

14:13:51 [janina]

ms: JS, MS, and Wu Wei met in ad hoc at WAI-CG's request to examine TV & Web IG's use cases

14:14:03 [janina]

ms: IG is interested in our input

14:14:39 [janina]

ms: No apparent distinction between consuming individually vs in a group

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-> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases TV & Web Use Cases Iteration 1

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jf: 3 years ago a TV workshop, discussed second screen

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ms: Still talking second screen

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js: But not second audio device

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js: what about a bluetooth headset?

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...might want to send described video to a headset

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...there needs to be a distinction of the individual or group setting

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-> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-html-a11y-media-minutes.html Minutes from analysis meeting

14:17:20 [janina]

ms: Has action to discuss timeline for second round of use cases and how we should offer our input

14:17:39 [janina]

ms: They also meet semi-weekly, next is this Wednesday

14:18:24 [MarkS]

js: there were plenty of opportunities to specify that the HTML content needs to be WCAG compliant.

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...if they are going to make screens, they need to be WCAG compliant.

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JF: has user agents group talked to them at all?

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js: not yet?

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s/yet? yet

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...they will reach out to us and we can reach out to UAWG, but they won't do that on their own

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...they reached out to PF. We pointed them to MAUR

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...not much interaction with them since. I don't think it will be confrontational.

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JF: If they are specifying use cases, hardware and software technology, we might want to reach out to UAWG now

14:22:06 [janina]

zakim, next item

14:22:06 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Media Accessibility User Requirements" taken up [from MarkS]

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ms: Noting new comment from EO

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Topic: New Comment from EOWG

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-> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/ Media Accessibility User Requirements

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2014AprJun/0014.html New Comment from EOWG

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JS: we had a round of comments that we haven't finished processing yet. we would like to work through those. Section 2 needs work from EOWG

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...we would like to publish in June or July

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-> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/list?document_version_id=16 Comments

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ms: Before we dive into finishing comment processing, what to do with new comment?

14:25:47 [JF]

related Media checklist has been accessed 162,711 times. http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist

14:28:09 [MarkS]

JS: take the new comment. it will be well received if we process it.

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...its 15 comments in one email, but its mostly editoral

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2014AprJun/0014.html New Comment from EOWG

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MS: should we put this comment into michaels comment tracker even though we are not using that anymore?

14:29:35 [MarkS]

JS: yes, we should

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ACTION: for MarkS to enter comment into old tracker

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ACTION: MarkS to enter comment into old tracker

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Created ACTION-246 - Enter comment into old tracker [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-05-19].

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agenda?

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Topic: Processing comments

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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/details?comment_id=381

14:34:55 [janina]

jf: Believe this is addressed via javascript API

14:36:56 [MarkS]

JS: point James to the API. the requirements in this doc are already handled. there has been progress made here

14:36:57 [janina]

js: Suggest comment is out of sceop for req doc

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Comment: I would include that the requirement be that controls must not only be scriptable, but the playback mechanism must be able to react to AT-triggered control of the media track. (Indie UI may apply here.)

14:37:11 [janina]

ms: Next comment on Sign Lang 3.8

14:37:21 [janina]

ms: Comment 381

14:37:25 [MarkS]

Comment: I would include that the requirement be that controls must not only be scriptable, but the playback mechanism must be able to react to AT-triggered control of the media track. (Indie UI may apply here.)

14:37:53 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/details?comment_id=381

14:38:19 [janina]

jf: Rather like saying water must be wet ... Duh!

14:39:11 [janina]

ms: What if the script conflicts with AT?

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js: Notes AT has pass through for conflicts

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RESOLUTION: We accept the comment

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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/details?comment_id=389

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ms: Next #389

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2011OctDec/0014.html

14:41:29 [janina]

jf: Already accepted

14:43:31 [janina]

ms: Proposes to take all editorial comments into the doc, i.e. spelling errors

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4. "Open Media Bugs for 5.0 and 5.1" taken up [from MarkS]

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-> Bugs https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Current_Bug_Triage_Issues#For_Media_Sub-Team

14:45:41 [MarkS]

JS: we can move 12794 to 5.1, assign it to john. aria 1.1 might get us the markup we need to handle this one. less contentious to handle in aria. especially if we can generalize it, like in epub

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ms: 12964 ...

14:48:07 [MarkS]

-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12964 Bug 12964 - <video>: Declarative linking of full-text transcripts to video and audio elements

14:48:42 [janina]

[same answer -- deferred to 5.1]

14:51:44 [janina]

jf: Link to my Action-136

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ms: 24859 auto track selection based on user preferences config

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-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24859 Bug 24859 - Automatic Video and Audio Track Selection Based on User Preferences and Terminal Characteristics

14:53:45 [janina]

ms: Notes Silvia has been processing, and in 5.0

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24860

14:54:10 [MarkS]

-> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24860 When can user agents honor the user preferences for automatic text track selection

14:54:57 [janina]

ms: Appears Silvia has proposed a solution which was accepted by commentor. Bug just not updated yet

14:55:26 [janina]

jf: Want to examine

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ms: one more ... 13437

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Bug 13437 - Editorial changes to The Video element (5 of 5)

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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13437

14:58:02 [janina]

jf: Filed on behalf of the team as my action

14:58:05 [janina]

jf: mostly editorial

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http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#item05

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http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action05

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-janina

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ACTION: for jf to process but 13437 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13437

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-JF

15:04:19 [MarkS]

ACTION jf to process but 13437 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13437

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Created ACTION-247 - Process but 13437 https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13437 [on John Foliot - due 2014-05-19].

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-Mark_Sadecki

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-Adrian_Roselli

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Team_(html-a11y-media)14:08Z has ended

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-html-a11y-media-minutes.html MarkS

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