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14:17:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:17:13 <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2014
14:17:20 <ivan> Chair: Liza daly
14:18:01 <ivan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014May/0011.html
14:19:57 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:19:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-dpub-minutes.html ivan
14:21:54 <ivan> Regrets: Vlad
14:22:17 <ivan> Regrets: Philm
14:22:23 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:22:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-dpub-minutes.html ivan
14:23:03 <ivan> Regrets+ Vlas
14:23:06 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:23:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-dpub-minutes.html ivan
14:23:21 <ivan> s/Vlas/Vlad/
14:23:41 <ivan> Chair: Liza Daly
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14:56:15 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:56:15 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:56:46 <ivan> zakim, aabb is AH_Miller
14:56:46 <Zakim> +AH_Miller; got it
14:56:59 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is Liza
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14:59:12 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
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14:59:28 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
14:59:33 <ivan> zakim, ??P10 is murakami
14:59:33 <Zakim> I already had ??P10 as murakami, ivan
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15:00:15 <dauwhe> Zakim, why have you forgotten us?
15:00:15 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dauwhe.
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15:00:56 <mgylling> zakim, code?
15:00:56 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), mgylling
15:00:57 <fjh> zakim, who is your daddy?
15:00:58 <Zakim> Ralph is taking good care of me but you all are my family, fjh
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15:01:27 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
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15:02:33 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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15:03:03 <astearns> you can add your number/name here
15:03:05 <astearns> http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/info/name.php3
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15:03:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pbelfanti', ivan
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15:03:47 <david_stroup> 585 - stroup
15:04:00 <ivan> zakim, 585 is david_stroup
15:04:00 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named '585'
15:04:11 <ivan> zakim, aaii is david_stroup
15:04:11 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaii'
15:04:31 <ivan> zakim, aall is david_stroup
15:04:32 <Zakim> +david_stroup; got it
15:04:39 <liza> :(
15:04:48 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:04:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Liza, AH_Miller, Ivan, pkra, dkaplan3 (muted), fjh, murakami (muted), dauwhe, Tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, Stearns, mgylling, benjaminsko, duga, Luc, Bert, TimCole,
15:04:52 <Zakim> ... +1.201.783.aakk, gcapiel, david_stroup
15:04:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see TimCole, pbelfanti, david_stroup, gcapiel, brady_duga, Bill_Kasdorf, Luc, benjaminsko, mgylling, Bert, tzviya, fjh, murakami, liza, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent,
15:04:52 <Zakim> ... dkaplan3, dauwhe, ivan, pkra, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
15:06:32 <pkra> pkra: introduced himself
15:06:41 <tzviya> welcome Peter!
15:07:15 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
15:07:18 <pkra> dkaplan introduced herself. With Safari books, accessibility expert; both standards, QA, coding side well versed.
15:07:25 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Liza (55%), AH_Miller (42%), dkaplan3 (15%), Bill_Kasdorf (19%)
15:07:31 <pkra> liza: approving last week's minutes
15:07:37 <dauwhe> scribenick: pkra
15:07:38 <pkra> ... minutes approved.
15:08:10 <pkra> liza: main topic: structural semantics markup group.
15:08:23 <pkra> ... table at end, proposing various options for annotating str. semantics.
15:08:30 <pkra> ... need something more friendly to OWP.
15:08:35 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics
15:08:36 <Zakim> +madi
15:08:45 <ivan> -> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics#Approaches:Solution_Criteria_and_Options Table on the criteria
15:08:50 <pkra> ... wiki was updated.
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15:09:21 <ivan> i/liza: main/Topic: Content and markup TF/
15:09:46 <pkra> Ivan: summarizing: tried to put smthg for each table.
15:10:00 <pkra> ... AT contract not always clear.
15:10:09 <pkra> ... my opinion. could be totally wrong.
15:10:24 <pkra> ... davidF commetns by email.
15:10:36 <tzviya> q+
15:10:37 <dauwhe> s/davidF/dauwhe/
15:10:43 <pkra> ... (correction from pkra: David Cramer?)
15:11:16 <pkra> tzviya: goal: spelling out _very clearly_ why we want / not want to use these.
15:11:23 <pkra> ... ex. namespacing.
15:11:53 <pkra> Ivan: let's go through it line by line.
15:12:04 <pkra> ... everybody can respond.
15:12:28 <pkra> ... namespacing -- current approach in epub.
15:12:40 <pkra> ... primary issue: XML specific thing.
15:12:50 <pkra> ... future is HTML5 w/o x
15:13:02 <Zakim> +Liam
15:13:18 <pkra> ... then namespaces are the either a problem or produce dissent.
15:14:00 <pkra> ... if HTML5+scripting is the future, then XML namespaces dangerous.
15:14:19 <pkra> liza: anyone think moving away from namespaces is a bad choice?
15:14:19 <mgylling> q+
15:14:29 <ivan> ack tzviya
15:14:34 <pkra> davidCramer: what is IDPF's position?
15:14:35 <ivan> ack mgylling
15:14:47 <pkra> mgylling: IDPF is currently doing nothing.
15:15:04 <fjh> q+
15:15:05 <pkra> ... wants this idea to produce recommendations to inform IDPF.
15:15:20 <Luc> q+
15:15:28 <pkra> ... ppl have lots of problems + workaround to avoid/deal with namespaces.
15:15:39 <pkra> ... wait for recommendations from W3C and DPIG
15:15:46 <pkra> ... integrate in epub / IDPF standards.
15:16:19 <pkra> ... re first column: AT contract might be a bad choice
15:16:31 <pkra> ... more whether AT digestion is automatic.
15:17:07 <pkra> ... whether existing solutions can deal with it
15:17:18 <pkra> ... whether existing APIs can already provide.
15:17:35 <liza> ack fjh
15:17:43 <pkra> Ivan: we don't know w/ they exist
15:18:24 <pkra> ... somebody should happen right away.
15:18:30 <pkra> Tzviya: I'll take care of it.
15:18:43 <fjh> q+
15:19:28 <pkra> fjh frederic: @Ivan: a11y not possible with namespaces?
15:19:47 <pkra> Ivan: JS developer today will use one of the major libraries (jquery etc)
15:20:02 <pkra> ... those tools usually don't test for xhtml anymore.
15:20:23 <pkra> ... risk that future development will tend to not work on xhtml.
15:20:24 <fjh> s/fjh frederic/Luc/
15:20:35 <pkra> (ah, sorry).
15:20:58 <ivan> ack Luc
15:21:06 <liza> ack fjh
15:21:29 <fjh> unmute me
15:21:36 <ivan> zakim, unmute fjh
15:21:36 <Zakim> fjh was not muted, ivan
15:21:37 <liza> zakim, unmute fjh
15:21:38 <Zakim> fjh was not muted, liza
15:21:51 <liza> ack liam
15:21:51 <ivan> ack liza
15:22:02 <fjh> q+
15:22:15 <pkra> liam: robin's comment at Paris workshop explicitly do not apply to xhtml.
15:22:39 <pkra> ... if you add namespaces, you're going outside polyglott spec
15:22:44 <mgylling> q+
15:23:18 <pkra> ... don't see Robin's argument as abandoning xhtml.
15:23:32 <pkra> Liza: but still true that libraries won't support xhtml.
15:23:37 <liza> ack markus
15:23:39 <pkra> liam: true.
15:23:46 <ivan> ack fjh
15:24:31 <pkra> frederick: about the table. what functionality are we looking for?
15:24:38 <ivan> ack mgylling
15:24:55 <pkra> mgylling: this is not about serialization. (we might want to discuss this some time)
15:24:59 <pkra> ... it's about semantic inflection.
15:25:08 <pkra> ... we need to do this serialization agnostic.
15:25:34 <pkra> ... don't want to use HTML-specific or xHTML-specific ones.
15:25:56 <pkra> liza: so third column most important.
15:26:21 <pkra> Ivan: on to next line in the table: @hyphen
15:26:38 <pkra> ... ppl using `ebook-type`
15:26:50 <pkra> ... existing mechanism
15:27:03 <pkra> possible to add such attributes, serialization agnostic,
15:27:11 <pkra> ...  possible to add such attributes, serialization agnostic
15:27:21 <mgylling> clear AT contract, no: +1
15:27:22 <pkra> ... static provisioning.
15:27:48 <pkra> ... much like epub right now, just slightly different string.
15:28:18 <pkra> ... one key problem: validators. Any value would need approval HTML5 WG.
15:28:37 <pkra> needs kind of registration-process.
15:28:44 <pkra> ...  needs kind of registration-process.
15:29:07 <pkra> ... HTML5WG would look at values "what values are useful in general?"
15:29:11 <pkra> ... would slow down the process.
15:29:31 <pkra> liza: how would that be serialized in xhtml?
15:29:41 <pkra> ivan: same attribute names.
15:29:56 <ivan> ack liza
15:29:59 <ivan> ack liam
15:29:59 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to note that one's own attributes are as far outside "standard HTML" as namespaces
15:30:17 <pkra> liam: as soon as you add your own, then you're going outside the comfortable zone.
15:30:24 <pkra> ... data-* is the natural way.
15:30:31 <pkra> Ivan: I don't think it's the same issue.
15:30:38 <pkra> ... yes, data-* more natural.
15:31:05 <pkra> ... but @hyphen defined that you can get to these attributes (via JS) just like any other attributes.
15:31:23 <pkra> ... will be in the DOM, JS can access them through regular DOM calls.
15:31:46 <pkra> mgylling: itf-* attributes are an example.
15:31:48 <Luc> +q
15:31:53 <liza> ack luc
15:31:57 <Zakim> - +1.201.783.aakk
15:32:04 <pkra> Luc: wondeirng about openeness.
15:32:07 <tzviya> s/itf-*/ITS 2.0
15:32:13 <tzviya> See http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/ for reference
15:32:24 <pkra> ... with @hyphen we have to get through validation.
15:32:32 <pkra> ... if we put any kind of vocal inside them.
15:32:51 <pkra> Ivan: they should be re-organized body that defines the possible values.
15:33:09 <pkra> ... ex. IDPF could organize that body; shoulnd't be a problem
15:33:19 <pkra> Luc: namespace problem is moved to attributes.
15:33:27 <pkra> Ivan: yes. but agnostic to serialization.
15:33:50 <pkra> Ivan: next in table: RDa / MD
15:33:53 <Luc> moved to attributes values
15:34:03 <pkra> ... the problems: no clear AT contract
15:34:22 <pkra> ... problems: for many considered too complicated for users.
15:34:42 <pkra> ... for authors, conceptionally.
15:34:55 <pkra> ... MD more hidden
15:34:59 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:35:10 <pkra> ... problems: appropriateness.
15:35:22 <pkra> ... RDFa sensitive to subject.
15:35:33 <pkra> ... (see last column)
15:36:07 <pkra> ... e.g. concert. MD is about the concert, not the div element holding the description.
15:36:31 <mgylling> +1
15:36:32 <liza> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:36:32 <pkra> ... I think the goal of this table is something else.
15:36:35 <Luc> +q
15:36:46 <pkra> Bill: want to emph. that last point.
15:37:24 <liza> ack Luc
15:37:29 <pkra> ... make that distinction strongly.
15:37:34 <pkra> Luc: but I think we need both.
15:37:47 <pkra> ... describe document and describe what it's about.
15:37:51 <pkra> Ivan: completely agree.
15:37:58 <pkra> Bill: agree.
15:38:25 <pkra> Ivan: only: this table here is not about that.
15:38:35 <dauwhe> q+
15:38:36 <pkra> ... this is about marking up index etc.
15:38:51 <liza> ack dauwhe
15:38:53 <pkra> Bill_K: maybe call it "structural refinement"?
15:39:02 <pkra> Luc: that makes more sense.
15:39:16 <pkra> DaveC: si that problem that HTML is not granular enough?
15:39:35 <pkra> Ivan: agree.
15:39:37 <fjh> +1
15:39:48 <Luc> +q
15:39:50 <pkra> +1
15:40:04 <pkra> Luc: understand distinction.
15:40:16 <pkra> ... but we could use RDFa appropriately.
15:40:58 <pkra> ... why couldn't RDFa not be used to describe the doc itself?
15:40:59 <mgylling> If Luc is right, why did the ITS2.0 folks not go this route?
15:41:30 <pkra> Ivan: technically it could be done. but very technical. You need to give a URI to each DIV element on which you make a statement.
15:41:51 <pkra> ... horrendously ugly and complicated
15:41:52 <mgylling> answer: “horrendously ugly”
15:42:13 <pkra> .. thats' why IDPF didnt' adopt it either.
15:42:33 <pkra> Ivan: @role. much like @hyphen
15:42:43 <pkra> ... but we get into a similar problem.
15:42:50 <pkra> ... how would the valures be registered.
15:43:03 <pkra> ... there's role and sometimes aria-* attributes.
15:43:16 <pkra> ... biggest problem imho: registration needed.
15:43:32 <pkra> ... would have to go to a11y groups.
15:43:45 <mgylling> +1
15:43:56 <pkra> ... while this is partly  a a11y technology, it's not directly.
15:43:59 <mgylling> q+
15:44:21 <ivan> ack Luc
15:44:24 <ivan> ack mgylling
15:44:47 <pkra> mgylling: @role: we had some discussions with PF people (Rich Schwartz???).
15:45:03 <pkra> ... PF thinking about going beyond AT with @role.
15:45:15 <pkra> .. but no guarantee that they will go there.
15:45:25 <pkra> ... we need an update on that .
15:45:43 <pkra> ... but: only one to get +1 on AT column.
15:45:57 <pkra> ... no need for specialization from AT tech.
15:46:04 <pkra> ... @role is unique in that.
15:46:13 <pkra> Liza: only advantage over @hyphen?
15:46:20 <pkra> mgylling: no need to create specification.
15:46:29 <pkra> ... easy to get support from validators.
15:46:35 <pkra> ... maybe.
15:46:37 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:46:43 <pkra> Ivan: maybe indeed.
15:46:51 <tzviya> q+
15:47:13 <liza> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:47:19 <pkra> ... we'd have to deal with 2 WGs if we go down that route.
15:47:33 <pkra> BillK: any issues of multiplicity of attribute?
15:47:49 <pkra> Ivan: I don't know.
15:48:24 <pkra> BillK: multiple values for @role attribute (aria + publisher specifics) is that a problem.
15:48:35 <liza> ack tzviya
15:48:36 <pkra> mgylling: no, it already takes care of that.
15:48:42 <pkra> ... in theory anyway.
15:49:07 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Summary_of_20140314_Structural_Semantics_Call
15:49:08 <Bert> q+ to ask why there are no external formats in the table, e.g., <link rel=glossary href="terms.glossml"> or linked from a manifest file.
15:49:11 <pkra> tzviya: a) meeting with Rich. leaning towards @role rather than new spec. => link.
15:49:22 <pkra> ... personally +1, easier to implement.
15:49:32 <pkra> ... would have to look at the inherit semantics.
15:50:06 <pkra> ... can't be introducing contradictions.
15:50:22 <pkra> Ivan: we need (urgently) update from PF working group.
15:50:27 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is noisy?
15:50:38 <Zakim> dauwhe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dkaplan3 (23%), Bill_Kasdorf (13%)
15:50:41 <liza> ack Bert
15:50:41 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to ask why there are no external formats in the table, e.g., <link rel=glossary href="terms.glossml"> or linked from a manifest file.
15:52:03 <pkra> liza: let's skip @class and @data-*. They're both for different things.
15:52:08 <pkra> ... custom elements?
15:52:13 <pkra> ... tackle now?
15:52:42 <pkra> Ivan: is it a sledge hammer?
15:52:48 <liza> <sledgehammer>
15:52:53 <pkra> ... means: we add a new HTML element.
15:53:01 <pkra> (thanks liza)
15:53:18 <pkra> ... justified for some things (ebooks in general yes)
15:53:26 <pkra> ... but for this particular problem, it's nuking the problem.
15:53:51 <liza> <slicedbread>
15:54:05 <pkra> mgylling: put it in because it's hailed in some pub tech as the best thing since sliced bread.
15:54:30 <tzviya> q+
15:54:42 <liza> dauwhe: Ha ha
15:54:43 <pkra> Ivan: heard it at Edupub, for widgets.
15:55:10 <pkra> ... great topic in general for the IG.
15:55:17 <pkra> ... just not here.
15:55:19 <liza> ack tzviya
15:55:56 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
15:56:00 <Luc> +1
15:56:05 <pkra> tzviya: even if we propose "chapter", it would bring up a huge list of elements, most of which would be hard tocommnicate.
15:56:14 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
15:56:17 <pkra> mgylling: has utility for books, but for more complicated ones than this one.
15:56:21 <pkra> +1
15:56:59 <pkra> Bert: all of these are in the document itself. Why not external format?
15:57:09 <pkra> ... e.g. an XML document to point into the document.
15:57:11 <dauwhe> q+
15:57:43 <liza> ack dauwhe
15:58:00 <Zakim> -TimCole
15:58:00 <liza> Zakim you're useless
15:58:22 <pkra> I'm not follwing b/c markus has too much background.
15:58:55 <pkra> DaveC: if we add vocabularies, it would be overkill to link to an external file.
15:59:02 <pkra> ... saying this is a chapter.
15:59:15 <pkra> mgylling: some other ideas for CSS to go beyond styling.
15:59:38 <pkra> Bert: old idea. Ever since RDFa, CSS has been saying: that's just what CSS does.
16:00:06 <pkra> Ivan: technically I can see something like CSS selector used for that; relatively simple.
16:00:14 <pkra> ... but still needs some hooks into the HTML text itself.
16:00:21 <pkra> ... no real win
16:00:21 <Zakim> -Liam
16:00:42 <pkra> Bert: maybe not all use cases. But some things, like glossary.
16:00:53 <pkra> liza: and we're out of time.
16:01:05 <pkra> ivan: pick up w/ next steps.
16:01:09 <Zakim> -duga
16:01:11 <Zakim> -Liza
16:01:13 <Zakim> -mgylling
16:01:14 <Zakim> -madi
16:01:14 <Zakim> -fjh
16:01:16 <Zakim> -pkra
16:01:16 <Zakim> -Tzviya
16:01:16 <Zakim> -david_stroup
16:01:16 <Zakim> -gcapiel
16:01:16 <Zakim> -Ivan
16:01:17 <Zakim> -Luc
16:01:17 <Zakim> -AH_Miller
16:01:17 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
16:01:19 <Zakim> -Stearns
16:01:19 <Zakim> -Bert
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16:01:22 <Zakim> -murakami
16:01:25 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
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16:02:17 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:02:27 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:02:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see benjaminsko
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16:02:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, pbelfanti, gcapiel, Luc, benjaminsko, Bert, tzviya, murakami, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
16:02:33 <Zakim> -benjaminsko
16:02:35 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
16:02:35 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.453.aaaa, +1.240.421.aabb, Ivan, AH_Miller, Liza, +49.228.36.aacc, +1.617.439.aadd, pkra, fjh, dkaplan3, +1.917.207.aaee, dauwhe, murakami, Tzviya,
16:02:35 <Zakim> ... +1.734.904.aaff, Stearns, +1.917.447.aagg, Bill_Kasdorf, mgylling, +1.217.244.aahh, benjaminsko, duga, +33.1.41.23.aaii, Bert, Luc, +1.217.244.aajj, +1.201.783.aakk,
16:02:35 <Zakim> ... +1.585.217.aall, gcapiel, TimCole, david_stroup, madi, Liam
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16:02:52 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:02:52 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:02:52 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:03:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:03:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:03:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:03:01 <RRSAgent> I see no action items