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15:35:52 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:Susann Keohane, Tim Boland , Mary Jo Mueller
15:35:57 <Lisa_Seeman> Chair:Lisa_Seeman
15:36:04 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda: this
15:36:11 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ set scribe
15:36:17 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ preview agenda
15:36:37 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ introductions
15:36:45 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ review actions, groups
15:36:59 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ technology reviews and approaches: functional approach to inclusion,
15:37:09 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ what other technologies and approaches should we be reviewing
15:37:17 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ user group findings:  dyslexia, other  ?
15:37:23 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
15:54:16 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
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15:55:18 <Lisa_Seeman> trackbot, status
15:55:39 <Lisa_Seeman> trackbot, actions
15:55:39 <trackbot> Sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I don't understand 'trackbot, actions'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
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15:56:08 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P6 is Lisa_Seeman
15:56:08 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
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15:57:43 <Lisa_Seeman> trackbot, action?
15:57:43 <trackbot> Sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I don't understand 'trackbot, action?'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
15:57:48 <Lisa_Seeman> trackbot, action 1
15:58:00 <EA> I do not have access to a phone today but will see if I can use SIP in a minute
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15:58:14 <Lisa_Seeman> great
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16:00:14 <Barry_Johnson> In an alternate meeting, but will track on IRC
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16:00:46 <janina> zakim, ??P27 is me
16:00:46 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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16:01:22 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +[IPcaller] is Liddy
16:01:22 <Zakim> sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
16:01:41 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [IPcaller] is Liddy
16:01:41 <Zakim> +Liddy; got it
16:02:01 <MichaelC> MichaelC has changed the topic to: Cognitive A11Y TF; Zakim 2642
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16:02:41 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:02:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, +1.508.856.aaaa, Doran, Niel, Liddy, janina, Joseph_O´Conno, +1.804.749.aadd
16:02:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see jessie, TonyTexthelp, NeilMilliken, Barry_Johnson, Liddy, JohnRochford, EA, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
16:02:46 <Zakim> +??P1
16:02:53 <Zakim> +JF
16:03:10 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +1.804.749.aadd is debra_rue
16:03:10 <Zakim> +debra_rue; got it
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16:03:23 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is John_Rochford
16:03:23 <Zakim> +John_Rochford; got it
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16:03:56 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
16:04:10 <MichaelC> zakim, Doran is Tony_Doran
16:04:11 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran; got it
16:04:57 <NeilMilliken> and I also have my colleague jessie on IRC just to help me out for this meeting
16:06:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:07:13 <Zakim> + +44.203.635.aaee
16:07:45 <MichaelC> zakim, aaee is Neil_Milliken
16:07:45 <Zakim> +Neil_Milliken; got it
16:09:10 <NeilMilliken> I will
16:09:41 <JF> zakim: agenda
16:09:43 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: NeilMilliken
16:10:25 <JF> agenda?
16:10:42 <JF> zakim: take up item 3
16:11:07 <JF> zakim, take up item
16:11:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up item', JF
16:11:08 <NeilMilliken> EA Draffan Backround in Speech and Lang Therapy now senior researcher at Uni Southampton Long history of work in AT
16:11:18 <JF> zakim, next item
16:11:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "set scribe" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:11:24 <JF> zakim, close item 1
16:11:24 <Zakim> agendum 1, set scribe, closed
16:11:25 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:11:25 <Zakim> 2. preview agenda [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:11:31 <JF> zakim, next item
16:11:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "preview agenda" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:11:37 <JF> zakim, close item 2
16:11:37 <Zakim> agendum 2, preview agenda, closed
16:11:38 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:11:38 <Zakim> 3. introductions [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:11:42 <JF> zakim, item 3
16:11:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 3', JF
16:11:48 <JF> zakim, next item
16:11:48 <Zakim> agendum 3. "introductions" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:11:55 <NeilMilliken> Tony Doran Worked at Texthelp for last 10 years now heading up Browse Aloud division
16:12:53 <NeilMilliken> Lisa_seeman Explaining remit of the TF for new joiners
16:13:35 <NeilMilliken> Aim to improve accessibility for people with Cognitive disabilities  - stage 1 GAP analysis
16:14:02 <NeilMilliken> See wiki for info so far
16:14:06 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
16:14:56 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis
16:15:00 <NeilMilliken> Looking at ideas for suggesting best practice for cognitive accessibility
16:15:37 <JF> zakim, next item
16:15:37 <Zakim> agendum 4. "review actions, groups" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:15:39 <NeilMilliken> zakim, next item
16:15:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, NeilMilliken
16:16:27 <janina> zakim, close item 4
16:16:27 <Zakim> agendum 4, review actions, groups, closed
16:16:28 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:16:28 <Zakim> 5. technology reviews and approaches: functional approach to inclusion, [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:16:55 <NeilMilliken> Joshua - Non Vocal and Aphasia cross-over
16:17:31 <NeilMilliken> EA looks like there is a difference in terminology in UK
16:18:21 <NeilMilliken> Lisa Localisation issues are a common theme
16:18:59 <NeilMilliken> EA and Joshua to connect and discuss
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16:20:06 <NeilMilliken> Keeping strands separate for the present and reveiw later?
16:22:00 <NeilMilliken> EA - Many people not aware of the difference of the affects Left and Right sided aphasia
16:22:40 <NeilMilliken> Joshua OConnor wants to talk about AAC
16:24:27 <EA> I would agree about the AAC device standards issue but is this to do with web accessibility? sorry I am not sure how wide the brief is on this topic?
16:24:53 <NeilMilliken> JOC's daughter  has had 4 different AAC systems but none of them are interoperable.  This is a huge problem and impacts on the ability for people to maintain and move to new systems as they cannot move from one system to the next.
16:25:09 <JohnRochford> AAC = Augmentative and Alternative Communication
16:25:50 <EA> Do we mean the symbol languages or the devices - ie PCS versus widgit versus Symbol stix versus other symbol sets?
16:26:11 <NeilMilliken> Would Texthelp be interested in dyslexia sub group?
16:27:13 <Zakim> -debra_rue
16:27:57 <NeilMilliken> Sorry my fault I wrote joshua and it should have been Joseph
16:28:25 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Section_3
16:28:26 <EA> Not all sadly when adapting them to suit the user
16:29:24 <EA> I mean the symbol sets are not all interoperable as they have different grammatical symbols such as Minspeak with compaction versus Bliss with abstract.
16:29:47 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Section_3
16:29:57 <NeilMilliken> PCS? symbols work well for JOC's daughter
16:31:05 <EA> Take the concept and tag - metadata would work I think but a lot of hard work such as IMS idea
16:31:17 <NeilMilliken> Lisa talking about possibility of mapping symbol sets to enable interoperability
16:32:50 <NeilMilliken> EA - Mada centre and university of Southampton mapping English to Arabic  - building a lexicon of symbols
16:33:07 <NeilMilliken> Looking at Morphology and grammar
16:35:00 <NeilMilliken> JOC - has talked to Proloquo to go people about using PCS symbols but they have said that metadata doesn't map.....may take years to map and complete
16:35:07 <NeilMilliken> EA yeas it will
16:35:14 <janina> q+
16:35:31 <NeilMilliken> EA - we have 2.5 years left to try and complete the project
16:36:39 <NeilMilliken> EA we will do our best to make the research work in a practical way - may not easily sit with Guidelines
16:37:07 <NeilMilliken> Lisa S TF is not just here to look at guidelines ...
16:37:40 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:37:47 <NeilMilliken> Janina - remit to look at GAP analysis and then to roadmap
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16:38:49 <NeilMilliken> Janina - Gap analysis needs to be complete before we can roadmap as we need a complete picture
16:40:06 <NeilMilliken> LS we can't only identify faults there does need to be some overlap....problem statement may have room for some possible solution outlines
16:40:14 <NeilMilliken> Who has that action?
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16:41:25 <Lisa_Seeman> trackbot, action?
16:41:25 <trackbot> Sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I don't understand 'trackbot, action?'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
16:41:31 <NeilMilliken> Joseph and EA to work together - email is best method for getting the best out of  EA - action with Joseph
16:43:11 <NeilMilliken> lisa explains that we do our work in public - it saves any problems later with copyright
16:43:43 <NeilMilliken> zakim, next item
16:43:43 <Zakim> agendum 5. "technology reviews and approaches: functional approach to inclusion," taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:44:26 <Liddy> slrry!
16:45:54 <NeilMilliken> Liddy ISO approach looking at what are the functions people need
16:46:21 <NeilMilliken> We have lost you lIddy
16:46:46 <Liddy> I can't do any better - sorry!
16:46:55 <NeilMilliken> suggests Liddy redial
16:47:02 <Liddy> no - there is no way to fix it -
16:47:07 <Zakim> -Joseph_O´Conno
16:47:10 <Liddy> I will try to write it up ..
16:47:35 <NeilMilliken> Joseph - taking opportunity to make excuses and leave the call today
16:47:50 <NeilMilliken> LS any other actions or completed actions from people?
16:48:40 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Dyslexia
16:49:11 <NeilMilliken> Talking through sections in GAP analysis
16:50:01 <NeilMilliken> LS listing issues with cognitive functions as names may change
16:50:14 <NeilMilliken> LS one section leads into the next
16:51:51 <NeilMilliken> Scenarios and user stories to give examples in real life of how people's difficulties manifest in real life and map to the challenges
16:52:34 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Introduction
16:52:54 <NeilMilliken> LS post link in scenarios to the challenges
16:53:37 <NeilMilliken> LS - What guidelines are out there already - we don't have to reinvent the wheel
16:53:52 <NeilMilliken> Perhaps tony may wish to comment on these
16:53:57 <NeilMilliken> LS any questions
16:54:37 <Zakim> -Liddy
16:55:04 <NeilMilliken> JF Managed to get some work done on the down syndrome page but had a question on formatting
16:56:07 <NeilMilliken> John Rochford - was following the way of creating references that Lisa had initiated
16:56:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:56:24 <NeilMilliken> LS should we decide now how to reference
16:56:39 <NeilMilliken> EA we should only ever have to do referencing once
16:56:50 <NeilMilliken> NM I'll second that
16:57:24 <NeilMilliken> JF can and should we Hyperlink?
16:57:59 <NeilMilliken> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Dyscalculia
16:58:07 <NeilMilliken> We have URLs
16:58:13 <Lisa_Seeman> Q?
16:58:29 <NeilMilliken> HAve tried to use Harvard style
16:58:41 <janina> ack janina
16:58:43 <Lisa_Seeman> Ack jamina
16:58:50 <JohnRochford> I have used APA style.
16:59:36 <janina> Regrets. Need to go to another mtg.
16:59:41 <Zakim> -janina
17:00:22 <NeilMilliken> Links in line preferred by JF
17:00:43 <NeilMilliken> Katy still wants a list of where we are referencing from
17:01:09 <NeilMilliken> EA wants to know that reference in a way that is recognised.
17:01:27 <NeilMilliken> LS will consult with W3C
17:01:37 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:01:50 <NeilMilliken> LS action to clarify referencing style
17:02:38 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:02:45 <EA> is the style guide this page http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#References
17:02:47 <JF> Lisa, two W3C'ers to check with are Ian jacobs and Coralea Mercier
17:03:17 <Barry_Johnson> I have to go do a review. I should have time to work on ADHD later this week. If I need to change reference style, I'll work that in too... See you next week.
17:03:58 <Zakim> -JF
17:04:01 <NeilMilliken> EA looking W3C refernces
17:04:07 <ddahl> I need to drop off now, talk to you next week
17:04:12 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:04:46 <NeilMilliken> Result + very long reference
17:04:54 <Zakim> -John_Rochford
17:05:28 <NeilMilliken> Tony Doran - definitely stuff of interest to us here
17:05:45 <NeilMilliken> LS - please send any changes to me
17:06:23 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:06:27 <NeilMilliken> zakin, make minutes
17:06:33 <Lisa_Seeman>  rrsagent, make logs public
17:06:41 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:06:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:07:08 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-coga-minutes.html,text
17:07:37 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
17:07:37 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Lisa_Seeman, +1.508.856.aaaa, Niel, janina, Joseph_O´Conno, Liddy, Michael_Cooper, JF, debra_rue, John_Rochford, Debbie_Dahl,
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17:07:47 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items