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16:49:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
16:49:31 <trackbot> Date: 08 May 2014
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16:52:02 <slightlyoff> I can't make today's standup
16:52:12 <slightlyoff> I've got an overlapping meeting which I'm supposed to be running = \
16:52:22 <slightlyoff> sincerest apologies
16:52:51 <slightlyoff> my status is predictable, though: this is my first day back from a week out of commission due to a health issue.
16:52:54 <slightlyoff> not much change
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16:56:20 <slightlyoff> been better, been worse. Working from home
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16:56:38 <slightlyoff> off the pain meds entirely, so I think I'm pretty close to "back"
16:56:44 <Zakim> +plinss
16:58:34 <slightlyoff> thanks for asking = )
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17:02:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
17:02:19 <trackbot> Date: 08 May 2014
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17:06:22 <dka> Example of capability URLs “gone bad”: http://classic.slashdot.org/story/14/05/07/009248 (story about private files on dropbox leaking due to people accidentally sharing the URLs)
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17:07:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
17:07:36 <trackbot> Date: 08 May 2014
17:08:19 <Domenic_> JeniT: I think if you look at the full minutes it will be better.
17:08:34 <JeniT> ScribeNick: JeniT
17:08:37 <JeniT> Scribe: Jeni Tennison
17:08:43 <JeniT> Topic: AppLinks
17:08:51 <JeniT> plinss: we need to give feedback on AppLinks
17:09:07 <JeniT> Domenic_: I briefly read the articles and took a look, but I’m not sure how it applies to the web
17:09:17 <JeniT> plinss: it seems like the opposite of web intents
17:09:23 <JeniT> … diverting web content into native apps
17:09:48 <JeniT> Domenic_: my opinion is that this is a sign that the web is failing
17:09:53 <JeniT> … and our policy should be to fix the web
17:10:09 <plinss> http://applinks.org/documentation/
17:10:26 <JeniT> Domenic_: I don’t know what kind of feedback they want
17:10:28 <dka> Right - links that invoke native apps…
17:10:40 <JeniT> plinss: I think they want more high-level design policy feedback
17:10:51 <JeniT> Domenic_: it’s reasonable for companies to encourage this because it gives best user experience right now
17:11:10 <JeniT> … from a policy perspective, we should fix the web and this shouldn’t be necessary for a good user experience
17:12:00 <JeniT> dka: realistically, there’s often a need to invoke a application
17:12:09 <JeniT> … whether it’s a web application or a native application is irrelevant
17:12:27 <JeniT> … and to link to a specific view, eg a specific tweet or specific restaurant in OpenTable
17:12:31 <JeniT> … deep linking to that content
17:12:43 <JeniT> … the way that works right now is very platform specific
17:13:05 <JeniT> … even if we imagine a world where all apps are web apps running as first-class citizens
17:13:10 <JeniT> … we’ll still need that functionality
17:13:21 <JeniT> … the question is whether the web already has what we need for that
17:14:06 <JeniT> Domenic_: my ideal would be to link to a tweet on the web
17:14:18 <JeniT> … and if in the interim you want to redirect to the twitter native app
17:14:23 <JeniT> … you shouldn’t need different syntax
17:14:24 <JeniT> +1
17:14:38 <JeniT> … it should be intercepted by the OS and link to the app
17:14:42 <JeniT> … the examples aren’t clear
17:15:17 <JeniT> … they’ve clearly worked on this problem technically, and know what’s necessary for the user experience they want
17:15:29 <JeniT> … maybe we should ask about whether it’s possible to make links to existing websites the alternative
17:15:40 <JeniT> dka: it’s becoming a middle man between all these things linking to each other
17:15:47 <JeniT> … and the point of the web is you don’t need a middle man
17:16:08 <JeniT> Domenic_: sure, if the app doesn’t exist on the web you need something different, but pretty much all these apps are on the web, the links should exist
17:16:12 <JeniT> strong +1 from me
17:16:31 <JeniT> dka: someone should write that up and send that to them; I’d be happy to
17:16:45 <JeniT> Domenic_: it would be great if you could do an initial draft, I’d be interested in being involved
17:17:02 <JeniT> JeniT: I’d be happy to review & contribute to that too
17:17:06 <twirl> +1
17:17:20 <JeniT> dka: I’d like to get Dom involved in that conversation as well
17:17:25 <JeniT> … he’s done a lot of thinking about this
17:18:10 <dka> ACTION: Dan to draft an initial feedback on applinks
17:18:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-866 - Draft an initial feedback on applinks [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2014-05-15].
17:18:31 <JeniT> Topic: Sergey
17:19:00 <JeniT> twirl: I’m doing work on web animations & eme resolution, nothing new
17:19:07 <JeniT> Topic: JeniT
17:19:34 <JeniT> JeniT: we need to take forward or pass on the packaging work
17:20:44 <dka> Feedback Sergey still needs: https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/pull/27 , https://gist.github.com/twirl/9483deeb93d134ad2aa8
17:20:55 <JeniT> … there’s the draft spec, a couple of issues that need some attention, but it needs to be passed on
17:21:13 <JeniT> plinss: we talked about doing some work to give the TAG the ability to do this work
17:21:24 <JeniT> dka: I sent an initial email, I haven’t had a reply, I need to follow up
17:21:36 <JeniT> plinss: I imagine it won’t be quick, so we probably shouldn’t wait
17:21:50 <JeniT> … I don’t know who to
17:22:01 <JeniT> JeniT: I think the thinking was either WebApps or SysApps
17:22:25 <dka> +1 on not blocking
17:24:29 <JeniT> JeniT: I don’t think there’s any technical work that’s being blocked: it needs to be published as a Working Draft for input
17:24:51 <JeniT> … and I’d rather hand over earlier in the process than later, to enhance engagement
17:25:06 <JeniT> plinss: I’ll reach out to the chairs of WebApps & SysApps & see what they say
17:25:31 <JeniT> dka: nothing has happened about ??? since our F2F
17:25:41 <Domenic_> s/???/URL
17:26:22 <JeniT> s/URL/the URL spec/
17:27:09 <JeniT> JeniT: I think dka was going to do a blog post about capability URLs
17:27:15 <JeniT> dka: oh yes, I’ll draft something
17:28:18 <JeniT> JeniT: I also have to email TAG about integrity URLs
17:28:22 <JeniT> Topic: Domenic_
17:28:32 <JeniT> Domenic_: I’ve continued on WebCrypto review and I need to write it up
17:28:41 <JeniT> … the editor is aware but for reference I should write it
17:29:04 <JeniT> … also I gave a talk about what the web needs to do to compete with native
17:29:20 <JeniT> Topic: Dan
17:29:30 <JeniT> dka: I sorted out the minutes from the F2F
17:29:39 <JeniT> Domenic_: could you blog about that?
17:29:43 <JeniT> dka: I should do, yes
17:29:59 <JeniT> Domenic_: at least topics that were discussed (I know it takes time)
17:30:21 <JeniT> Topic: Peter
17:30:41 <JeniT> plinss: we still need to make a resolution for twirl about web animations
17:30:51 <JeniT> Domenic_: I *will* look at it this week
17:31:03 <JeniT> … on EME I’m not sure I’m the right person
17:31:14 <JeniT> plinss: yeah, we need feedback from a few other people on that
17:31:26 <JeniT> Topic: AOB
17:31:34 <JeniT> ADJOURNED
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17:32:09 <JeniT> Present: Peter, Dan, Jeni, Domenic, Sergey
17:32:16 <JeniT> Regrets: Alex
17:32:48 <slightlyoff> aplologies again
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