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12:58:06 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
12:58:06 <trackbot> Date: 08 May 2014
12:58:18 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014May/0003.html
12:58:21 <ed> chair: ed
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13:05:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Rich
13:05:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: SVG2 User Agent Implementation Guide
13:05:29 <ed> scribeNick: richardschwerdtfeger
13:05:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> Core Accessibility API Mappings
13:05:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> SVG2 Accessibility API Mappings
13:06:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> HTML5 Accessibility API Mappings
13:08:19 <ed> richardschwerdtfeger: does anyone have concerns with the names of the specifications?
13:08:26 <ed> (none heard)
13:09:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Rich
13:09:25 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Jun/0071.html
13:09:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> TOPIC: should we remove tref from SVG2?
13:10:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> erik: It is not implemented in Firefox. There is not much use in blink. People are looking to remove it if possible.
13:10:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: Is it implemented in IE?
13:10:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: Not implemented in IE11
13:11:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> erik: You can use the <use> element instead so not much loss of functionality
13:11:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: if <use> satisifes those then we will be ok
13:12:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: tref can be used inside a text element. but use you would use outside but you can mostly do the same thing
13:12:35 <nikos> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Jun/0075.html
13:12:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: There was some comment about it breaking air traffic control software
13:13:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: it was a little bit vauge
13:13:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/vauge/vague/
13:13:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: If it is not really implemented in browsers anyway …
13:13:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: there were a lot of quirks with it so I would like to remove it. It makes things more complicated for implementation
13:14:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: If you have script you can do anything with it but there is not always the opportunity to use script
13:14:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: I propose that we try to drop it with the next publication of the spec.
13:15:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: hearing no objections
13:15:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Remove TREF from the SVG 2 spec.
13:16:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: Deprecate pixelUnitToMillimeterX, pixelUnitToMillimeterY,
13:16:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> screenPixelToMillimeterX, screenPixelToMillimeterY in SVG2
13:16:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> krit: Do we want to continue having these functions that simply return constants? They are really not needed any more.
13:17:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> krit: can we at least deprecate them?
13:17:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: So, these contants are easy to get from other APIs or this is basically what the web does more or less
13:17:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: Can we get these values from CSS?
13:18:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> krit: No, I don’t think so
13:18:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: I have not seen these used so I am not that concerned. I think we should deprecate them.
13:18:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: hearing no objections to deprecate them.
13:19:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: Dirk deprecate Deprecate pixelUnitToMillimeterX, pixelUnitToMillimeterY, screenPixelToMillimeterX, screenPixelToMillimeterY  in the spec.
13:19:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3623 - Deprecate deprecate pixelunittomillimeterx, pixelunittomillimetery, screenpixeltomillimeterx, screenpixeltomillimetery  in the spec. [on Dirk Schulze - due 2014-05-15].
13:19:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: Should we use unrestricted double for SVGLength, SVGNumber, SVGAngle and
13:19:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> all attributes?
13:20:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> krit: You can pass none.
13:20:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> krit: should we restict the API or should we make it unrestricted?
13:21:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> krit: they will all have unrstricted doubles
13:21:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> krit: It just makes sense to make it unrestricted.
13:21:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: ok let’s do that
13:22:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: All presentation attributes (even the new presentation attributes like
13:22:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> width and height) should allow global CSS keywords like inherit and
13:22:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> initial.
13:22:12 <ed> s/ok let’s do that/ok let’s postpone the discussion until heycam is present/
13:22:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> krit: I think we should not add new cases and we should follow CSS as much as possible.
13:22:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: this does post some consistency issues
13:23:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: … svglength for example. So, that is the reason for not allowing it for the elements that are presentation attributes
13:24:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: the object models would produce computed styles. This is something we decided 2 years ago.
13:24:33 <ed> <g transform="inherit"> ... and then gElm.baseVal.transform.getItem(0), what does it return?
13:25:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: the base values would be computed?
13:25:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: you would get the computed styles
13:25:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: we should move to the CSS object model where possible
13:25:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: you could use the get attributes if you wanted to get whatever was written
13:26:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: that makes sense
13:26:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: that would mean that I would go change the spec.
13:26:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: you would not disallow the new units from CSS
13:27:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: you are are nto restricting it to the character message length
13:27:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> action: ed modify the sentence in the spec. to allow the globall css keywords like inherit and initial
13:27:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3624 - Modify the sentence in the spec. to allow the globall css keywords like inherit and initial [on Erik Dahlström - due 2014-05-15].
13:28:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: Event attributes on graphics and container elements why not SVGElement
13:28:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> in general, just like HTMLElement does?
13:28:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: It would make sense to make it for SVG elements in general
13:28:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: script elements, style elements, etc.
13:28:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: the scripting chapter in the spec.?
13:29:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: it is out of date and should be updated.
13:29:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: these are more or less the standard events
13:30:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: we just map all event attributes to svg elements as well.
13:30:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: should be fine.
13:31:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: ed Event attributes on graphics and container elements added to SVGElement just like HTMLElement does
13:31:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3625 - Event attributes on graphics and container elements added to svgelement just like htmlelement does [on Erik Dahlström - due 2014-05-15].
13:31:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: the next call is May 22
13:31:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: I may not be available as well
13:31:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> nikos: my regrets
13:32:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> ed: meeting adjouned
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13:32:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, bye
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13:32:44 <nikos> s/nikos: my regrets/krit: my regrets
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13:32:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-svg-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger
13:32:56 <nikos> wonder if I got that in in time ;)
13:33:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make minutes
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13:36:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> @krit: I added it to the post to the list of the mintues.
13:36:36 <krit> richardschwerdtfeger: thanks
13:36:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> yw
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