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14:55:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 55 minutes ago
14:55:38 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:55:38 <trackbot> Date: 08 May 2014
14:56:02 <janina> agenda?
14:56:07 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:56:08 <janina> Chair: Janina
14:56:08 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:56:10 <janina> agenda+ Alt Guidance & Remaining Steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html
14:56:13 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc [See Below]
14:56:16 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps [See Below]
14:56:18 <janina> agenda+ Media Subteam
14:56:21 <janina> agenda+ Bug Triage [see below]
14:56:24 <janina> agenda+ Table Summary Issues Redux
14:56:26 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:56:26 <janina> agenda+ Our HTML 5.1 Objectives [See Below]
14:56:28 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:56:31 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:56:33 <Zakim> +??P0
14:56:34 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:56:39 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
14:56:55 <janina>  zakim, who's on the phone?
14:56:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
14:57:06 <janina> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:57:06 <Zakim> +janina; got it
14:58:26 <Zakim> +Mark_Sadecki
15:00:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:02:13 <Zakim> +Judy
15:03:15 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
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15:04:16 <LJWatson> scribe: Léonie Watson
15:04:20 <LJWatson> scribenick LJWatson
15:04:33 <JF> zakim, who is here?
15:04:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Mark_Sadecki, [IPcaller], Judy, John_Foliot
15:04:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, LJWatson, Judy, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfeger, hober, cabanier, janina, MarkS, trackbot, sivoais
15:04:40 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
15:04:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:04:44 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:04:44 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:04:45 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:04:45 <Zakim> 2. Alt Guidance & Remaining Steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html [from janina]
15:04:49 <janina> zakim, next item
15:04:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Alt Guidance & Remaining Steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html" taken up [from janina]
15:04:52 <JF> zakim, JF is John_Foliot
15:04:52 <Zakim> sorry, JF, I do not recognize a party named 'JF'
15:05:39 <LJWatson> zakim, close item 2
15:05:39 <Zakim> agendum 2, Alt Guidance & Remaining Steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html, closed
15:05:41 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:41 <Zakim> 3. Longdesc [from See Below via janina]
15:05:45 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:05:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Longdesc" taken up [from See Below]
15:05:57 <LJWatson> MS: Chaals and I are working on a CR ready draft.
15:06:20 <LJWatson> MS: We can then run it past the TF, and PF and HTML WGs.
15:06:52 <LJWatson> MS: Waiting on results for the exit criteria CFC. Didn't see a lot of contention.
15:07:08 <LJWatson> JS: Then the testing report?
15:07:11 <LJWatson> MS: Right.
15:07:45 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:07:45 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps" taken up [from See Below]
15:08:11 <LJWatson> MS: A LC ready draft has been published.
15:08:38 <MarkS> -> http://rawgit.com/w3c/html/html5_canvas_CR/TR/Overview.html Last Call Stable Draft of Canvas
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15:08:57 <LJWatson> MS: Will be run through HTML WG. Once approved, should be published within the next two weeks after.
15:09:19 <LJWatson> MS: Will reach out to implementors when the LC draft is stable.
15:09:32 <LJWatson> MS: To ask about implementation timetables.
15:10:16 <LJWatson> MS: Do not have contact at Apple. Believe MS/IE is working on implementation.
15:10:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:10:53 <IanPouncey> Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
15:10:53 <Zakim> +IanPouncey; got it
15:11:11 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:11:11 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Media Subteam" taken up [from janina]
15:11:16 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
15:11:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
15:11:52 <LJWatson> MS: No formal meeting this week. Working with the Web TV IG, looking at use cases.
15:12:25 <LJWatson> MS: Found opportunities to improve the visibility of accessibility in that doc.
15:13:08 <JF> Q+
15:13:19 <LJWatson> MS: Found changes to be made to the  Media accessibility requirements.
15:14:06 <LJWatson> MS: John has asked to move the meeting time.
15:14:18 <LJWatson> JS: Will need to swap meetings around, but it should be ok.
15:14:46 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:14:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:15:01 <JF> ack JF
15:15:33 <LJWatson> JS: Lots happening with media. Also talking about developing content, for UA developers to test with.
15:17:12 <JF> scribe: JF
15:17:13 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:17:13 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Bug Triage" taken up [from see below]
15:17:38 <JF> LW: no meeting this week
15:17:59 <JF> LW: only issues to mention is 5.0 bugs - chaals, cyns et al need to follow up on
15:18:05 <JF> JS: really need to close these ASAP
15:18:20 <JF> JS: soon - like June
15:18:37 <JF> JS: asking if these can be looked at at the ARIA call next week
15:18:44 <JF> RS: thought had cleared them
15:18:49 <JF> LW: found a few more
15:18:57 <MarkS> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Current_Bug_Triage_Issues Bug triage issues
15:19:15 <JF> MS: there is a heading for the ARIA sub-team
15:19:23 <JF> LW: ... border, table of one...
15:20:08 <JF> 2.4.6.2 - should a table with a border of 1 be conformant with role="presentation"
15:20:19 <JF> RS: why not?
15:20:31 <JF> RS: how does that impact - don't understand
15:20:58 <JF> RS: consider it as simply styling
15:21:09 <JF> +1 to Rich
15:21:24 <JF> RS: will bring up on the call
15:21:38 <JF> LW: from triage POV, we can close it here
15:21:52 <JF> LW: will close that then
15:22:37 <MarkS> RESOLUTION: Bug 24642 - it is conforming to use role=presentation for tables that have border=1
15:23:05 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:23:05 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Table Summary Issues Redux" taken up [from janina]
15:23:08 <JF> zakim, next item
15:23:08 <Zakim> agendum 7 was just opened, JF
15:24:05 <LJWatson> JF: Had it on my to do list. Can take an action to take it to the techs group?
15:24:08 <LJWatson> JS: Sure.
15:24:19 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:24:19 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Our HTML 5.1 Objectives" taken up [from See Below]
15:24:28 <JF> ACTIUON: foliot to take the table summary issue to the WCAG TEchniques WG
15:24:58 <JF> ACTION: foliot to take the table summary issue to the WCAG Techniques WG
15:24:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Take the table summary issue to the wcag techniques wg [on John Foliot - due 2014-05-15].
15:25:07 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 2
15:25:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Alt Guidance & Remaining Steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html" taken up [from janina]
15:25:56 <LJWatson> JS: When have Steve's response about open bugs, will open a CFC.
15:26:59 <LJWatson> JS: There are two aspects, the bugs and whether the guidance should become a note.
15:27:19 <LJWatson> JS: We want a comprehensive summary of all the actions taken.
15:27:45 <LJWatson> JS: Wonder whether we can run a concurrent CFC?
15:28:02 <LJWatson> JB: Not a good idea.
15:29:00 <LJWatson> JS: If Steve responds tomorrow, could get the CFC out on Monday.
15:29:23 <LJWatson> JB: Could someone link to the proccess?
15:29:38 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures
15:29:48 <LJWatson> s/proccess/process/
15:30:42 <LJWatson> JB: 1 week in TF, then to parent WG - PF is 48 hours, HTML is 1 week.
15:31:01 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:31:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:31:20 <LJWatson> JB: Don't think alt is a good one to run a short time period on.
15:31:42 <LJWatson> JS: We may not meet the 30th May discussed.
15:31:57 <LJWatson> JB: Need to let Steve know of the timetable.
15:32:21 <LJWatson> JB: Someone should also track the hand-offs.
15:32:25 <LJWatson> JS: I'll do that.
15:33:12 <LJWatson> zakim, close item 2
15:33:12 <Zakim> agendum 2, Alt Guidance & Remaining Steps http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html, closed
15:33:14 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:33:14 <Zakim> 8. Our HTML 5.1 Objectives [from See Below via janina]
15:33:36 <LJWatson> zakim, open item 7
15:33:36 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Table Summary Issues Redux" taken up [from janina]
15:33:50 <LJWatson> zakim, agenda?
15:33:50 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:33:51 <Zakim> 8. Our HTML 5.1 Objectives [from See Below via janina]
15:33:51 <Zakim> 9. Other Business [from janina]
15:33:51 <Zakim> 10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:33:51 <Zakim> 11. be done [from janina]
15:34:04 <MarkS> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Wishlist_for_HTML5.1 Wishlist for HTML5.1
15:34:04 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 8
15:34:04 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Our HTML 5.1 Objectives" taken up [from See Below via janina]
15:34:20 <LJWatson> JS: Want to bring people's attention to this list.
15:35:13 <LJWatson> JS: Need to understand our priorities, and try to identify people who could take them further.
15:36:03 <LJWatson> MS: Looking at Plan 2014, couple of things were dropped, so we need to look at them under 5.1.
15:36:45 <LJWatson> MS: Full transcript...
15:36:54 <LJWatson> JF: Interested in looking into this.
15:37:45 <LJWatson> JF: Can sort of do it with aria-describedby, but don't have a really robust way of calling out a transcript.
15:38:30 <LJWatson> JS: Recall two proposals from way back - a) providing a link near the video, b) programmatic association + time sync.
15:39:17 <LJWatson> JF: A link encounters design constraints, a programmatic association can be handled more sensitively.
15:39:33 <LJWatson> JS: Providing a link doesn't need a spec.
15:39:45 <LJWatson> JF: There's just no clear mechanism.
15:40:15 <LJWatson> JS: Suggest the media sub-team take this on. Not sure 5.1 is the right version to pursue it under though.
15:40:32 <LJWatson> MS: Keeping notes on the wiki.
15:40:41 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:40:56 <LJWatson> MS: Media descriptions...
15:41:21 <LJWatson> JF: No way of providing a poster description.
15:41:44 <LJWatson> JS: Need to look at what ARIA markup might be needed.
15:42:13 <LJWatson> JF: Met resistance initially, maybe we should look at media roles for ARIA?
15:42:31 <LJWatson> RS: We can, but we need to be sure roles are reasonably generic.
15:42:46 <LJWatson> JF: I suggest "video" and "audio".
15:43:21 <LJWatson> RS: We're looking at role descriptions, for providing localised roles.
15:43:36 <LJWatson> JF: Also for the media sub-team?
15:43:39 <LJWatson> JS: Yes.
15:43:45 <LJWatson> MS: UI widgets...
15:44:15 <LJWatson> JS: Don't know if the UA community is ready to settle down on this.
15:44:28 <LJWatson> JS: Put me down for this.
15:44:46 <LJWatson> MS: Could be a Web Components thing too.
15:44:55 <LJWatson> MS: Input type numeric...
15:46:03 <LJWatson> MS: Scenario - when helpful to identify a numeric field to force the numeric keyboard to be displayed on mobile devices, but where the expected content isn't a number. A US zip code for example.
15:46:48 <LJWatson> JS: Several situations for that. Is it an accessibility issue though?
15:47:10 <LJWatson> MS: Think it helps to have the specialised keyboard.
15:47:25 <LJWatson> MS: Will put my name on this one.
15:47:31 <LJWatson> MS: Emotion ML...
15:48:04 <LJWatson> JB: We have some positive opportunities here.
15:48:20 <JF> Q+
15:48:31 <LJWatson> JS: We should ask Lisa.
15:48:52 <LJWatson> JF: Media sub-team might also have an interest here.
15:49:20 <JF> ack JF
15:49:47 <LJWatson> MS: Making sure that Web VTT etc. properly support this.
15:50:06 <LJWatson> MS: Haptic output...
15:50:34 <LJWatson> JS: Markku is interested in this?
15:50:41 <LJWatson> MS: Will follow up with him.
15:50:54 <LJWatson> MS: Gaming...
15:51:49 <LJWatson> IP: May be able to talk to colleagues at the BBC.
15:52:02 <LJWatson> MS: Will put Ian down to follow up with colleagues.
15:52:36 <LJWatson> MS: Cognitive...
15:53:48 <LJWatson> JB: My guess is that there is a lot of scope. Rich, you hosted a cognitive accessibility panel at CSUN - is the discussion happening?
15:54:06 <LJWatson> JS: Suggest we ask Lisa to look at this on a Cofnitive TF telecon.
15:54:28 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
15:55:22 <LJWatson> MS: There are five more topics.
15:55:43 <LJWatson> MS: Just want to run them quickly to judge initial interest.
15:55:50 <LJWatson> MS: Referencing UAAG...
15:56:06 <LJWatson> MS: Put Jeanne down.
15:56:12 <LJWatson> MS: Media...
15:56:19 <LJWatson> MS: Will put the media sub-team down.
15:56:30 <LJWatson> MS: Web payments...
15:56:45 <LJWatson> MS: Chaals indicated an interest.
15:56:53 <LJWatson> MS: Footnotes and annotations...
15:57:15 <LJWatson> MS: I'm interested.
15:58:04 <LJWatson> RS: Should be picked up by ePub. We talked about footnotes and annotations on the ARIA call this week.
15:58:12 <LJWatson> MS: Real time chat...
15:58:29 <LJWatson> MS: Web RTC and ORTC.
15:58:40 <LJWatson> RS: We can do live chat with live regions.
15:59:39 <LJWatson> LW: Don't know too much about RTC, but will take a look.
15:59:46 <LJWatson> JS: I'm interested too.
16:00:11 <LJWatson> MS: If everyone on this call could respond to the email I send around, to indicate support for these topics. Will help us prioritise.
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