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14:35:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:35:05 <trackbot> Date: 07 May 2014
14:35:13 <Steven_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014May/0001
14:35:23 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014May/0001
14:35:28 <Steven_> Chair: Steven
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14:58:27 <Zakim> +pfennell
14:59:46 <Zakim> +??P11
14:59:51 <Steven_> zakim, I am ?
14:59:51 <Zakim> +Steven_; got it
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15:01:09 <alain> Zakim, I am [IPCaller]
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15:02:55 <Steven> Topic: Announcements
15:03:07 <Steven> Steven: I am presenting something on XForms at XML London
15:03:17 <Steven> ... Philip will be there as well.
15:03:36 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-1970 - Propose list of page access functions
15:03:36 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014May/0000.html
15:04:19 <Steven> Erik: We discussed this last time.
15:04:25 <Steven> Steven: It wowuld be useful.
15:04:38 <Steven> Erik: One function to get the URI, it is called Location in browsers
15:04:47 <Steven> s/wow/wo/
15:05:33 <Steven> Erik: I have to admit I don't understand the subtleties of URIs, but the other functions extract parts of a URI
15:06:17 <Steven> Erik: I have used the names used in the Java class for this
15:07:37 <Steven> Steven: Why might the 'raw' part be useful?
15:07:46 <Steven> Erik: I'm not fully convinced.
15:08:45 <Steven> ... it might be so that you can split parts properly, for instance if there is an "=" in the query string
15:09:34 <Steven> ... I'm only 60% convinced
15:11:54 <Steven> Steven: Though the 'param-values' should solve that anyway.
15:12:24 <Steven> Erik: Should we use the 'anyURI' type at all?
15:12:38 <Steven> ... it seems to allow any string at all nowadays.
15:13:21 <Steven> ... it does make it clear in the function signature, but it doesn't give you any gains.
15:14:15 <Steven> ... so 'parameter-values' could just take a string
15:14:34 <Steven> Steven: So that any string would work, as long as it contained parameters in URI form?
15:14:40 <Steven> Erik: Yes
15:15:47 <Steven> Steven: So you could apply 'parameter-values' to a string that had been extracted from a URI with uri-query
15:16:51 <ebruchez> ?abc=def&ghi=klm
15:17:36 <ebruchez> ?abc=d%26ef&g%26hi=klm
15:17:39 <Steven> Erik: THe question is when to process the % escapes
15:18:00 <ebruchez> abc -> d&ef
15:18:13 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
15:18:55 <ebruchez> xf:uri-query(‘http://abc.org/foo?abc=d%26ef&g%26hi=klm’)
15:19:02 <Steven> Steven: That then explains why you need the 'raw' parameter
15:19:26 <ebruchez> processed -> ‘abc=d&ef&g&hi=klm’)’
15:19:33 <ebruchez> raw -> ‘d%26ef&g%26hi=klm’)’
15:20:25 <Steven> Erik: It in any case allows you access to everything
15:24:16 <Steven> Steven: So the two questions are: Do we want to use the anyURI data type, and 2) Do we want to include the 'raw' versions
15:24:18 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-xpath-functions-30-20140408/
15:24:43 <Steven> Erik: In that link, they mention that every character is allowed in an anyURI
15:26:18 <Steven> Philip: There are very few functions that take an anyURI, the vast majority are taken as strings
15:26:40 <Steven> Erik: Maybe we should follow XPath that return values are anyURI, but parameters are strings.
15:27:07 <Steven> ... I don't know if that is accepted practice though
15:27:46 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-30/#promotion
15:28:15 <ebruchez> “RI type promotion: A value of type xs:anyURI (or any type derived by restriction from xs:anyURI) can be promoted to the type xs:string. The result of this promotion is created by casting the original value to the type xs:string.”
15:28:19 <Steven> " and it allows any character string to appear as the value of an xs:anyURI item. '
15:28:23 <ebruchez> s/“RI/“URI
15:29:34 <Steven> Erik: Validation of anyURI gives you nothing
15:30:05 <Zakim> -ebruchez
15:30:11 <Steven> Steven: If XSD 1.1 says that anyURI==string, then you neither gain nor lose.\
15:30:16 <Steven> s/\//
15:30:26 <Zakim> +ebruchez
15:31:13 <ebruchez> http://expath.org/modules/http-client/
15:31:23 <Steven> Erik: EXPath has modules for http
15:31:38 <ebruchez> http://expath.org/spec/http-client
15:31:51 <ebruchez> “ It is an xs:anyURI, but is declared as a string to be able to pass literal strings (without requiring to explicitly cast it to an xs:anyURI)”
15:32:01 <Steven> Erik: "It is an xs:anyURI, but is declared as a string to be able to pass literal strings (without requiring to explicitly cast it to an xs:anyURI)."
15:32:46 <ebruchez> foo(‘’http:///example.org)
15:33:01 <ebruchez> foo(xs:anyURI(‘http://example.org’))
15:33:01 <Steven> Steven: OK, let's follow that example then
15:33:18 <Steven> Steven: String it is then
15:33:45 <Steven> Erik: I will ask someone who knows about it, to see if there's anything we need to consider
15:34:18 <Steven> Steven: And do we go with 'raw'?
15:34:24 <Steven> Erik: Yes
15:34:43 <Steven> Erik: One last question.
15:35:12 <Steven> ... EXPath is not a large organisation
15:35:43 <Steven> ... it could be an interesting place to propose these functions there.
15:35:52 <Steven> Steven: Go for it!
15:36:14 <Steven> Erik: But still a part of XForms?
15:36:27 <Steven> Steven: That would be faster I guess, but it would be good to share
15:36:45 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to contact EXPath about URI functions
15:36:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1973 - Contact expath about uri functions [on Erik Bruchez - due 2014-05-14].
15:37:19 <Steven> Steven: If we adopt this, we need spec text.
15:37:32 <Steven> action; erik to spec URI functions
15:37:43 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to spec URI functions
15:37:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1974 - Spec uri functions [on Erik Bruchez - due 2014-05-14].
15:38:20 <Steven> Topic: AOB?
15:38:46 <Steven> Erik: Someone sent me directly an email about multipart in submission
15:38:52 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-forms-minutes.html
15:39:29 <Steven> Erik: I replied that it hadn't been done, and is a bit late for XForms 2,0
15:39:34 <Steven> s/,/.
15:39:59 <Steven> Erik: But we should revive that.
15:40:21 <Steven> Steven: Let's look at it again. I'll put it on the agenda.
15:40:27 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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15:40:36 <Zakim> Attendees were pfennell, Steven_, [IPcaller], ebruchez
15:40:47 <Steven> present+Alain
15:40:52 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-forms-minutes.html Steven
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