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14:02:43 <koalie> meeting: Webizen task force meeting
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14:03:04 <koalie> Zakim, [ is Sebastien
14:03:04 <Zakim> +Sebastien; got it
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14:04:32 <koalie> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webizen/2014Apr/0002.html Previous (2014-04-10 Webizen task force meeting)
14:06:31 <koalie> -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Webizen Webizen Wiki
14:06:49 <koalie> scribe: Coralie
14:06:50 <koalie> scribenick: koalie
14:07:16 <koalie> present: CoralieMercier, SébastienDesbenoit, AnnBassetti, JeffJaffe
14:07:28 <koalie> Jeff: Let's go over the wiki
14:07:43 <koalie> ... which has received 28K+ visits (since early March)
14:08:13 <koalie> Topic: Prologue
14:08:16 <koalie> Jeff: Nothing changed there
14:08:19 <koalie> ... we can proceed
14:08:25 <koalie> Topic: Background
14:08:31 <koalie> Jeff: I've not heard much discussion there
14:08:47 <koalie> Topic: Name
14:09:02 <koalie> Jeff: We've used "Webizen" as a placeholder; we mean citizen of the Web
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14:09:21 <koalie> ... There's been some feedback it isn't the best name in the world
14:09:36 <koalie> ... Some people have listed some names in the wiki
14:09:46 <koalie> ... Additional comments in the Twitter thread
14:10:02 <koalie> ... Stephen Shankland suggested @@massacre
14:10:18 <koalie> s/@@massacre/"Masochists"/
14:10:23 <koalie> [laughter on the call]
14:10:45 <koalie> ... We can put a list for vote
14:11:05 <koalie> Ann: Constituents mean member of something.
14:11:20 <koalie> ... Most of the ones suggested are not sufficiently distinctive
14:11:29 <koalie> ... I'll add a comment there
14:11:59 <koalie> Jeff: "Constituents" I take this as to mean "Constituents of the Web"
14:12:10 <koalie> ... Additional suggestions welcome and would be useful.
14:12:27 <koalie> [Coralie: I don't have a clever suggestion yet]
14:13:09 <koalie> Sébastien: Between Webizen in French, there is a connotation of "zen"
14:13:27 <koalie> ... To have something that means anything in all cultures could take a long time
14:13:42 <koalie> [Coralie: I have often thought of "Webizen" as "We be Zen"]
14:14:12 <jeff_> citoyen
14:14:14 <desbenoit> koalie :)
14:14:26 <jeff_> Weboyen
14:14:33 <koalie> :)
14:14:47 <koalie> Ann: The point being, what could it mean in Chinese? Let's continue to work on the name.
14:15:00 <AnnB> very interesting points
14:15:09 <koalie> Ann: I never pursued the "zen" connotation
14:15:29 <AnnB> s/pursued/perceived
14:15:34 <koalie> Jeff: I hope someone adds a comment to this extent on the wiki
14:16:01 <koalie> ACTION: Coralie to work with Sébastien on commenting in wiki on "zen" connotation in "Name" section of the wiki
14:16:25 <koalie> Jeff: Anything else before we move on?
14:16:27 <koalie> [none]
14:16:32 <koalie> Topic: Voting
14:16:41 <koalie> Jeff: I think we need to do something about voting
14:16:49 <koalie> ... There is a problem in the current write-up
14:17:00 <koalie> ... which seems to be favouring a particular approach
14:17:42 <koalie> ... The community says there is a desire to look at different voting mechanism
14:17:50 <koalie> ... JC Verdié raised this as the last call
14:18:07 <koalie> ... We should let the constituents of the Web decide, rather than imposing a voting mechanism
14:18:16 <koalie> ... But it would be preferible to rephrase this section
14:18:36 <koalie> ... to say for webizen voting for the AC should be decided by Webizen
14:18:49 <koalie> ... This wiki could be a collecting point for proposals at least for now
14:18:58 <koalie> ... there is proposal 1
14:19:10 <koalie> ... We should encourage the community to suggest others
14:19:21 <koalie> Ann: I completely agree
14:19:33 <koalie> Jeff: The current approach isn't STV
14:19:48 <koalie> ... I inserted text to explain why I was not proposing STV
14:20:11 <koalie> ... Webizens should decide how they want to vote.
14:20:17 <koalie> ... Let's make this a place to receive proposals
14:20:23 <koalie> ... We should have some discussion of the time
14:21:59 <koalie> ... We probably should use the July 1 2015 to April 1 2015 to try out
14:22:26 <jeff_> s/ ... We probably should use the July 1 2015 to April 1 2015 to try out//
14:23:06 <jeff_> Jeff: Since the first Webizen voting cycle for the AC starts on JUly 1, 2015
14:23:29 <jeff_> ... the Webizens should select their preferred voting mechanism prior to that
14:23:42 <jeff_> ... so it would make sense for them to select their preferred voting mechanism
14:23:55 <jeff_> ... in the period from 1 January 2015 to 1 April 2015
14:24:17 <koalie> Jeff: Anything else for voting?
14:24:21 <koalie> [none\
14:24:29 <koalie> Topic: Launch and Comm plan
14:24:39 <koalie> Jeff: That's also probably a good place to talk about pitch phrases
14:25:01 <jeff_> Coralie: Nothing new to add since last update
14:25:29 <koalie> Ann: It looks like the pitch points are based on the name "Webizen"
14:25:47 <koalie> ... it will depend on what name we got, what kind of marketing we choose
14:26:30 <koalie> ... the name needs to work for everybody but it would be helpful if it got some sparkle to it
14:26:48 <koalie> Ann: I'll add something to the wiki, in the pitch section
14:27:31 <koalie> Sebastien: "Giving back" We get the global idea, after that, it's a matter
14:27:35 <koalie> ... of choosing the right words
14:28:06 <koalie> Topic: FAQ
14:28:10 <koalie> Jeff: No change at the moment
14:28:13 <koalie> Topic: Schedule
14:28:25 <koalie> Jeff: We've send out the schedule of the AC Meeting agenda to the AC
14:28:45 <koalie> ... and the program committee decided to put the Webizen topic on the big tent agenda, not even a breakout
14:29:01 <koalie> ... the thought for the presentation is less a presentation and more a discussion of the key issues
14:29:09 <koalie> ... including:
14:29:16 <koalie> ... 1. should we have a webizen program?
14:29:21 <koalie> ... 2. what should we name it?
14:29:36 <koalie> ... 3. collection of benefits, right sets, what to add or substract?
14:29:59 <koalie> ... 4. should voting mechanism be decided by the Webizens?
14:30:22 <koalie> ... The other topics in the wiki are not hard issues for the AC, can be discussed separately
14:30:42 <koalie> Ann: re: #4, we'll start with so few Webizens that it will not be sufficient to make that decision
14:30:54 <koalie> ... maybe the decision doesn't need to be made at the very beginning.
14:31:01 <koalie> Jeff: That's a good point
14:31:23 <koalie> ... as we phrase the voting question on the wiki,
14:31:50 <koalie> ... can add the Webizens will look at the voting mechanism every election until it reaches stability
14:32:05 <koalie> ... in year 5 or 6, they can decide how to do the election.
14:32:23 <koalie> Ann: I felt the voting discussion was  overwhelming
14:32:36 <koalie> Jeff: Did you see my response on the thread this morning?
14:32:42 <koalie> Ann: I skimmed through it
14:32:50 <koalie> Jeff: I said basically what you just said
14:33:09 <koalie> ... We'd love to get a proposal from a Community Group
14:33:25 <koalie> Ann: I don't want this group to get overwhelmed before it's even started.
14:33:48 <koalie> Topic: Discount proposal
14:33:52 <AnnB> I'll respond on voting in the AC threads
14:33:58 <koalie> Jeff: I'll ask Veronica wrt her action
14:34:08 <koalie> Topic: Any other business
14:34:18 <koalie> Jeff:: Any other business?
14:34:46 <koalie> ... We're 5 weeks away from the AC meeting, we can intensify the meetings, or say we're almost done and meet less often
14:34:52 <koalie> Ann: When there's something to talk about?
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14:35:41 <desbenoit> @koalie If you need some help on the comm topic.
14:36:18 <koalie> Jeff: Coralie, any sense of when we might see more on comm plan?
14:36:34 <koalie> Coralie: Not really, but I prefer some cadence
14:36:59 <koalie> Jeff: Coralie, please take the action to schedule the next meeting
14:37:03 <koalie> Coralie: Will do
14:37:09 <Zakim> -Jeff
14:37:12 <Zakim> -Ann
14:37:23 <koalie> Ann: I've updated the "name" section in the wiki, to add a note on "sparkle"
14:37:37 <koalie> Zakim, list attendees
14:37:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been koalie, [IPcaller], Ann, Sebastien, Jeff
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14:42:14 <AnnB> bye
14:48:32 <Zakim> -Sebastien
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14:48:33 <Zakim> Attendees were koalie, [IPcaller], Ann, Sebastien, Jeff
14:52:24 <koalie> chair: Jeff
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15:03:56 <virginie> hello webizen, what time is the call ?
15:04:18 <veronica> I thought 11
15:04:26 <veronica> but the code isn't working for me
15:04:38 <virginie> code does not work neither
15:05:20 <veronica> oops - I think it was at 10am (ET)!
15:05:46 <veronica> Jeff was unable to make the 11am slot
15:06:30 <veronica> looks like we both missed the call this morning :(
15:07:38 <virginie> I had aproblem with the translation of ET, which timezone is it ? (sorry located in french , i only speak UTC)
15:10:20 <darobin> virginie: ET is Eastern Time (Boston) also known as W3C time :)
15:12:26 <virginie> ok, thanks, so i missed the cal
15:12:29 <virginie> call
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