20:02:50 RRSAgent has joined #crypto 20:02:50 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-crypto-irc 20:02:52 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:02:54 Zakim, this will be CRYPT 20:02:54 ok, trackbot; I see SEC_WebCryp()3:00PM scheduled to start 62 minutes ago 20:02:55 Meeting: Web Cryptography Working Group Teleconference 20:02:55 Date: 05 May 2014 20:03:04 Zakim, who's on the phone? 20:03:04 I notice SEC_WebCryp()3:00PM has restarted 20:03:05 On the phone I see virginie, drew, jyates, markw 20:03:18 agenda? 20:03:26 KarenLu has joined #crypto 20:03:34 Zakim, what's the code? 20:03:34 the conference code is 27978 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), harry 20:04:34 +Karen 20:04:36 +[IPcaller] 20:04:42 Zakim, IPcaller is hhalpin 20:04:42 +hhalpin; got it 20:05:42 q+ 20:06:23 Notes that we could move the call to next week 20:06:45 virginie: looks like everything is happening on mailing list and bugzilla 20:06:54 terri has joined #crypto 20:08:18 I'm going to note that calls are useful mostly when they are controversial and we need to make a consensus decision 20:08:37 The two main feedbacks I saw were the further discussion of SAAG today 20:08:37 and the TAG feedback 20:08:48 +terri 20:08:50 markw: I agree, but most of the changes are not breaking changes 20:09:05 ... so we don't need to breaking changes 20:09:12 zakim, who is on the call ? 20:09:12 On the phone I see virginie, drew, jyates, markw, Karen, hhalpin, terri 20:09:12 Zakim, who's on the phone? 20:09:14 On the phone I see virginie, drew, jyates, markw, Karen, hhalpin, terri 20:09:19 chair: virginie 20:09:23 scribe: hhalpin 20:09:26 agenda? 20:12:00 hhalpin: We could do a more WebApps-style 20:12:11 zakim, who is talking? 20:12:11 ... more with ad-hoc calls, and we ask the mailing list when/if they are necessary 20:12:25 terri, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: virginie (74%) 20:12:47 virginie: I agree 20:13:30 ACTION: hhalpin to email to mailing list over the Web Apps mailing list 20:13:31 Created ACTION-144 - Email to mailing list over the web apps mailing list [on Harry Halpin - due 2014-05-12]. 20:13:49 virignie: two open parts of feedback, the feedback from IETF SAAG 20:15:35 markw: looking at the bugs that have been raised 20:15:44 ... no fundamental operations changes due to TAG 20:15:55 ... just fixing mistakes and how its implemented 20:17:22 virginie: what do you think about last call for Key Discovery? 20:17:38 markw: I think those comments from TAG apply to key discovery 20:17:44 ... so then we'll take that to last call 20:18:54 Zakim, next agendum 20:18:54 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, harry 20:19:03 topic: workshop 20:19:13 virignie: dates from Sept 10-11th 20:19:23 location: Mountain View, Microsoft hosting 20:19:37 virginie: scope is under finalization 20:20:18 kodonog has joined #crypto 20:21:27 hhalpin: scope is still under discussion, but I imagine things will be done by end of this week 20:21:40 ... and then we'll do an official announcement 20:21:48 ... right now it's approved by W3C but not quite finalized 20:22:05 virginie: if anyone wants to join the program committee, can you say something? 20:22:15 I have volunteered 20:22:31 excellent! I'll add you Karen 20:23:24 agenda? 20:23:27 topic: AOB 20:23:50 virginie: seems too early to talk about TPAC 20:23:56 ... any additional items to discuss? 20:24:20 virginie: I'm concerned about ad-hoc calls 20:24:32 ... but I'll see from mailing list 20:24:41 ... but if you as participant wants to solve it with a live discussion 20:25:59 zakim, who is on the call ? 20:25:59 On the phone I see virginie, drew, jyates, markw, Karen, hhalpin, terri 20:27:51 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Switch to working mode that features ad-hoc calls and a wait list 20:28:28 PROPOSED RESOUTION 1: Switch to working mode that keeps biweekly calls and a waiting period on the mailing list for objections to decisions 20:28:28 I'm sorry, I can't hear anything 20:29:04 PROPOSED RESOLUTION 2: Switch to a working mode that does only ad-hoc calls and a waiting period on the mailing list for objections to decisions 20:29:18 which one do people like? 20:29:40 biweekly vs. adhoc vs. keep things the same? 20:29:51 virginie: any preference? 20:30:03 notes that "keeping things the same" is (3) 20:31:19 2 20:31:32 2 20:31:41 i'm ok with (2) but don't have a strong preference 20:31:43 yes, we can always change it 20:31:45 2 20:31:51 ok, then it looks like (2) wins 20:32:13 RESOLUTION: Switch to a working mode that does only ad-hoc calls and a waiting period on the mailing list for objections to decisions 20:32:18 ok with me 20:32:25 proposal for mailing list is for 10 day period 20:33:06 virginie: I'd like for people to know we're relying on working group members to notify me when they need a call 20:33:18 ... this means we won't have a call in 2 weeks 20:33:59 virginie: any other items to addressed? 20:34:14 Meeting adjourned 20:34:25 -jyates 20:34:25 trackbot, end meeting 20:34:25 Zakim, list attendees 20:34:26 -hhalpin 20:34:26 As of this point the attendees have been +1.512.257.aaaa, drew, virginie, +1.617.253.aabb, jyates, markw, Karen, hhalpin, terri 20:34:27 -markw 20:34:27 -drew 20:34:29 -Karen 20:34:33 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 20:34:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-crypto-minutes.html trackbot 20:34:34 RRSAgent, bye 20:34:34 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-crypto-actions.rdf : 20:34:34 ACTION: hhalpin to email to mailing list over the Web Apps mailing list [1] 20:34:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-crypto-irc#T20-13-30 20:34:35 -terri