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13:27:31 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
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13:27:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:27:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:27:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:27:36 <trackbot> Date: 30 April 2014
13:27:48 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:27:49 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:27:50 <sharper> Agenda+ W4A Round up and what we all did?
13:27:51 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic [sharper]
13:27:52 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Catalogue Topic [sharper]
13:27:53 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING - Any Other Business [sharper]
13:27:58 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:28:04 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-rd-agenda.rdf
13:28:14 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:28:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
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13:29:01 <sharper> regrets: Mark, David, Klaus, Silvia, Giorgio, Markel, Yeliz
13:29:11 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
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13:29:32 <christos> zakim, ??P16 is me
13:29:32 <Zakim> +christos; got it
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13:30:26 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:30:26 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
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13:30:46 <sharper> zakim, ??P32 is sharper
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13:32:25 <Yehya> zakim, [FIT] is me
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13:32:27 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes
13:33:20 <annika> zakim, unmute me
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13:33:34 <annika> scribe: annika
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13:34:09 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:34:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see christos, Shadi, sharper, annika (muted), Yehya
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13:34:55 <annika> zakim, agenda?
13:34:55 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
13:34:56 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:34:56 <Zakim> 2. W4A Round up and what we all did? [from sharper]
13:34:56 <Zakim> 3. STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic [from sharper]
13:34:56 <Zakim> 4. STANDING  - Next Catalogue Topic [from sharper]
13:34:56 <Zakim> 5. STANDING - Any Other Business [from sharper]
13:35:02 <annika> zakim, take up item 2
13:35:02 <Zakim> agendum 2. "W4A Round up and what we all did?" taken up [from sharper]
13:35:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:35:19 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:35:19 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
13:36:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:36:20 <annika> shadi: There were several sessions at W4A that were interesting:
13:36:26 <Justin> Justin has joined #rd
13:36:51 <annika> ... discussion on mobile that relates to the RDWG Mobile accessiblity note
13:37:33 <annika> ... During W4A camp interesting ideas for futures developments were discussed:
13:37:46 <annika> ... convergence of web and print
13:38:43 <annika> ... what meaning of word like "accessibility", "acces for all". this could be relevant for the RDWG TAAR.
13:39:11 <annika> sharper: High quality of scientific presentations at W4A.
13:39:41 <shadi> q+
13:39:47 <annika> ... The joint panel session of WWW and W4A managed to highlight some interesting topics.
13:40:02 <sharper> ack shadi
13:40:12 <annika> ... Giorgio chaired the W4C camp. There will be a documentation for everyone to read.
13:41:12 <annika> sharper: We tried to invite new members to RDWG. Not much response. We need to plan this more carefully for the next event.
13:41:47 <annika> ... There were good discussions on policy, ageing, and more topics.
13:42:08 <Vivienne> q+
13:42:12 <annika> shadi: Which emerging topics are interesting for RDWG?
13:44:16 <annika> ... Discussion on augmented reality and how this could help disabled persons. "glass technology" relevant for blind people, but also for hearing impaired people. RDWG should explore use cases and challenges.
13:44:41 <annika> ... New term "cognitive assistance" instead of "assistive technology".
13:44:47 <sharper> ack v
13:45:56 <annika> Vivienne: W4A had good discussion during session on user testing and the role of user testing, how to best conduct it. There were outstanding contributions to the Paciello group challenge.
13:46:37 <annika> ... Discussion of accessibility of ebooks and epub standard. Suggest to have a RDWG catalogue entry.
13:46:56 <annika> sharper: Next year's theme is "the wearable web".
13:47:29 <annika> shadi: There were 15 people at the ??? W3C-track.
13:47:41 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:47:41 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:48:00 <annika> ... researchers, practitioners, and people from government.
13:48:53 <annika> ... Observation: People are still unaware of basis concepts. (E.g. does accessbility apply to older people?)
13:50:28 <annika> ... WAI needs to explain better about accessibility and its horizontal aspects. This applies to the accessibility community in general.
13:50:52 <annika> ... We need to work on the message!
13:51:28 <annika> sharper: any more comments on W4A?
13:51:29 <Vivienne> only that Perth won!
13:51:40 <Vivienne> zakim, ack me
13:51:40 <Zakim> unmuting Vivienne
13:51:41 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:51:49 <sharper> +1!
13:52:24 <annika> Vivienne: The 2017 event is going to be in Perth.
13:53:23 <annika> sharper: The Australian accessibility community is quite active.
13:53:52 <annika> Vivienne: Many people will take the opportunity to participate in the event in Australia.
13:54:41 <annika> sharper: next year W4A will be extended to 3 days.
13:55:05 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:55:05 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:55:09 <annika> zakim, take up next
13:55:09 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:55:20 <annika> zakim, take up item 3
13:55:20 <Zakim> agendum 3. "STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic" taken up [from sharper]
13:55:48 <Vivienne> q+
13:55:48 <sharper> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accreditation
13:55:53 <sharper> ack v
13:55:54 <Vivienne> zakim, ack me
13:55:55 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:56:18 <annika> Vivienne: These are the changes to the accreditation catalogue entry.
13:56:35 <annika> ... All changes from the first questionnaire are incorporated.
13:56:53 <annika> ... Apart from request for more references.
13:57:12 <annika> ... If anyone has more references, please add them to the wiki.
13:58:00 <christos> +1
13:58:12 <sharper> +1
13:58:25 <Yehya> +1
13:58:25 <annika> annika: +1
13:58:28 <Justin> +1
13:58:49 <shadi> q+
13:58:54 <sharper> ack shadi
13:59:02 <Vivienne> +1
13:59:34 <annika> shadi: Is the first paragraph under research goals part of the challenges?
14:00:06 <annika> Vivienne: Maybe that sentence needs rephrasing.
14:00:51 <annika> ... The paragraph will be moved to the other heading.
14:02:15 <annika> shadi: This is an interesting topic. But there are no many research aspects.
14:02:46 <Vivienne> I've got that paragraph moved up now.
14:02:48 <annika> ... Topics like augmented reality are more relevant for future research.
14:02:58 <annika> ... We need a selection of different kinds of topics.
14:03:03 <shadi> +1
14:03:21 <annika> sharper: thanks for your work, Vivienne.
14:03:45 <annika> RESOLVED: The accreditation catalogue entry is complete.
14:04:03 <sharper> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/rdwgf2f/
14:04:15 <annika> sharper: Face-to-face meeting in 2014.
14:04:15 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:04:15 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:04:39 <annika> 4 people could attend a meeting a ICCHP in Paris.
14:06:01 <annika> ... how can we create a meeting with a subset of RDWG members?
14:06:02 <Vivienne> Doesn't the attendance of meetings mainly relate to funding availability?
14:06:18 <annika> shadi: Yes, it's possible to have a smaller group meeting.
14:06:35 <annika> ... And report back to the whole group.
14:06:52 <annika> ... Face-to-face meeting are useful to get some work done, e.g. reports.
14:07:53 <annika> sharper: next step: find out if we can get a room at ICCHP.
14:10:59 <annika> ... Continue the discussion next week, when more people have filled in the survey. And try to find topics for a subgroup meeting at ICCHP.
14:11:33 <annika> shadi: Will check with organisers if a room is available.
14:11:49 <annika> ... then we will do a formal registration.
14:12:34 <Vivienne> next symposium?
14:12:34 <annika> zakim, take up item 5
14:12:34 <Zakim> agendum 5. "STANDING - Any Other Business" taken up [from sharper]
14:13:21 <annika> shadi: I had a discussion of someone from University of Southhampton about accessibility for people with mental disorder.
14:13:38 <annika> ... That could become a new research topic.
14:13:53 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/
14:14:33 <annika> ... Paper in W3C workshop on Web of things. Maybe a symposium about this topic can be organised.
14:14:33 <Vivienne> q+
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14:14:46 <Vivienne> zakim, ack me
14:14:46 <Zakim> unmuting Vivienne
14:14:47 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:14:56 <sharper> ack v
14:15:14 <annika> ...together with PFWG.
14:15:28 <annika> Vivienne: What is the next symposium topic?
14:15:39 <annika> sharper: currently not much progress.
14:16:21 <annika> ... Plan to ask people to run symposia on specific topics.
14:17:12 <annika> ... No answer from Markku and Gerado.
14:17:46 <shadi> q+
14:17:48 <annika> Vivienne: Maybe we can have a symposium on ebook accessibility.
14:17:59 <annika> ... Or should we start with a catalogue entry?
14:18:13 <shadi> ack me
14:19:21 <annika> shadi: Chet Cooper from ability magazine could be interesting in running the symposium, together with someone from RDWG. This could be an exciting topic.
14:19:53 <annika> ... Suggestion: Start with a wiki entry and identify topics and research questions for a symposium.
14:20:24 <annika> Vivienne: I can start a wiki entry.
14:20:57 <annika> shadi: That would be great. Thanks.
14:21:14 <Vivienne> good night all
14:21:17 <annika> zakim, unmute me
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14:21:25 <Zakim> -sharper
14:21:26 <Zakim> -Vivienne
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14:21:28 <Zakim> -christos
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14:21:31 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:22:59 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:23:00 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
14:23:00 <Zakim> Attendees were christos, Shadi, sharper, annika, Yehya, Vivienne, [IPcaller]
14:24:25 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:24:25 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:24:25 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:24:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:24:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:24:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:24:34 <RRSAgent> I see no action items