IRC log of coga on 2014-04-14

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rrsagent, make log world
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meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force
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+??P3
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zakim, aacc is Suzann_Keohane
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+Suzann_Keohane; got it
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zakim, aaaa is Neil_Milliken
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+Neil_Milliken; got it
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+Joseph_O´Conno
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zakim, aabb is Debra_Ruh
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+Debra_Ruh; got it
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+John_Foliot
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+??P5
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zakim, ??P11 is John_Rochford
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+John_Rochford; got it
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zakim, ??P5 is me
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+janina; got it
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+Suzanne_Taylor
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+[IPcaller]
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Apr/0014.html
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agenda+ Set scribe
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agenda+ User group findings: aging and dementia
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agenda+ Follow up on cognitive tags by Jim Allen
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agenda+ Review of APPL by Suzanne Taylor
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agenda+ User group findings: ADD / ADHD
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+Mary_Jo_Mueller
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zakim, Ipcaller is Liddy_Nevile
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+Liddy_Nevile; got it
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agenda?
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see John_Rochford (muted), Neil_Milliken, Debra_Ruh, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Suzann_Keohane, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_O´Conno, John_Foliot, janina, Suzanne_Taylor,
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... Liddy_Nevile, Mary_Jo_Mueller
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scribe: Liddy
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, Set scribe, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. User group findings: aging and dementia [from MichaelC]
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+Jim_Allan
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-coga-minutes.html MichaelC
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zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "User group findings: aging and dementia" taken up [from MichaelC]
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chair: Neil_Milliken
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regrets: Lisa_Seeman
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+ +1.303.349.aadd
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KHS presenting aging etc postponed to next week after edits suggested by Lisa
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- +1.303.349.aadd
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+??P17
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+ +1.303.349.aaee
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zakim, set logs public
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I don't understand 'set logs public', allanj
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Jim: cognitive tags
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people joining
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zakim, aaee is Clayton_Lewis
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+Clayton_Lewis; got it
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rrsagent, set logs public
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Follow up on cognitive tags by Jim Allen" taken up [from MichaelC]
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s/Allen/Allan
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+Cooper
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Jim: Clayton can help - task to look at exec function
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Jim: a construct for thinking about how brain works
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Jim: sometimes things very medical but not clear where everything happens
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Jim:
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cognitive abilities of cog function grouped .
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Loosely group into the following areas: goal formation, planning, goal-directed action, self-monitoring, attention, response inhibition, and coordination of complex cognition and motor control for effective performance.
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Jim: this will go in wiki
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Jim: I have definitions...
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1.Inhibition - The ability to stop one's own behavior at the appropriate time, including stopping actions and thoughts. The flip side of inhibition is impulsivity; if you have weak ability to stop yourself from acting on your impulses, then you are "impulsive."
16:13:05 [allanj]
1.Inhibition - The ability to stop one's own behavior at the appropriate time, including stopping actions and thoughts. The flip side of inhibition is impulsivity; if you have weak ability to stop yourself from acting on your impulses, then you are "impulsive."
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2.Shift - The ability to move freely from one situation to another and to think flexibly in order to respond appropriately to the situation (
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3.Emotional Control - The ability to modulate emotional responses by bringing rational thought to bear on feelings. (tolerate frustration)
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4.Initiation - The ability to begin a task or activity and to independently generate ideas, responses, or problem-solving strategies (also, ability to finish)
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5.Working memory - The capacity to hold information in mind for the purpose of completing(/performing) a task
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6.Planning/Organization - The ability to manage current and future- oriented task demands.
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7.Organization of Materials - The ability to impose order on work, play, and storage spaces.
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8.Self-Monitoring - The ability to monitor one's own performance and to measure it against some standard of what is needed or expected.
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Jim: many abilities in many articles
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Jim: these lead to many functional problems
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all 8 of these exist on a continuum, if each is on a slider, depending where you put the sliders, you come up with various disabilities
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Neil: there are many things that lead to problems with people not aware of them, how to we formulate solutions
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Jim: many have to do with user settings
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Jim: eg linearise the page, stop movement on page, ...
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Jim: but there will be server-based things - eg for Siri - augmented page eg
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Neil: we've seen govt with easy-read docs - maybe more poeple affected than we realise
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Jim: I will finish now and put this in wiki
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akim, next item
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Review of APPL by Suzanne Taylor" taken up [from MichaelC]
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s/appl/apip/
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ST: should this be review of something else? not able to do this now
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zakim, close item 4
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agendum 4, Review of APPL by Suzanne Taylor, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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5. User group findings: ADD / ADHD [from MichaelC]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "User group findings: ADD / ADHD" taken up [from MichaelC]
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MC: is anyone working on this?
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-John_Rochford
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MC: is this Barry Johnson's work - he is not here?
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-Cooper
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topic: other items
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MC: anyone have anything else?
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ST: review ready but April 5
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DR: prsonal problems so reporting next week ..
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JF: to help DR this week
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Joseph: my daughter needs help getting ready for the day - done work on non-vocal section and so maybe report ready next Monday
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Joseph: exec function very helpful and excellent
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KD: I just joined group so this is first meeting - sectioning requirements have a lot to do with exec functions - past experience supports this
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KD: eg headings etc break up the page effectively
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Neil: I agree
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MC: whip is cracking on all task group members!!
16:28:44 [MichaelC]
zakim, unmute me
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Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
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MC: anything else?
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MC: what are timelines?
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yes, I see, sorry - how can it be fixed?
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s/MC:/NM:/g
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MC: note that chair has been Neil not Michael - correct re whip especially!
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NM: any more?
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NM: autism is next on list - who is that?
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ack me
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
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MC: Lisa has assignees listed in wiki - they are not here
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LN: talking about constrained languages
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-Suzanne_Taylor
16:37:29 [Neil_Milliken]
http://www.globish.com/
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+Suzanne_Taylor
16:38:08 [Liddy]
thank you!
16:38:42 [janina]
Who would we ask about the prospect of an internationally agreed constrained vocabulary? Seems it would beyond scope for W3C to establish such a thing.
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Liddy: www.globishfoundation.org
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Janina: tricky to get this adopted - by whom?
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Liddy: maybe we can do this in ISO with education tech group because it is a practice known in education
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Janina: all for this - yes, let's push for this
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Janina: seems like a worthy goal - association of ESL people could help too
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LN: many lists exist and there are something like 200 of the 1500 words that are contentious
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NM: good idea - let's keep this going
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LN: human translation etc very much more accurate
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Janina: copyright can be a problem...
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NM: yes
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q+
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LN: copyright can be triacky
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ST: with a constrained vocab, you could just translate sections so automated translation of bits could be done - eg if complicated section
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Janina: need to get copyright owners on side but dictionaries from standard to constrained language would be helpful
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ST; constrained vocab checker good
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LN: this is available already
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LN: I will wrtie this up for wiki
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Janina: I will follow it
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NM: Lisa would like vendors involved in this task force
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NM: eg getting Dragon etc people involved
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NM: impoartant to not set up standards that vendors might not want - better for all to work together
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ack me
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ack s
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q-
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ack p
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NM: all done, thank you!
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ack ??P17
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Janina: wonderful chairing - applause!!
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-Clayton_Lewis
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-Debra_Ruh
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-Suzann_Keohane
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-Suzanne_Taylor
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-Mary_Jo_Mueller
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-Jim_Allan
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-John_Foliot
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-Michael_Cooper
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zakim bye
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were +44.203.618.aaaa, +1.804.749.aabb, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.512.445.aacc, Michael_Cooper, Suzann_Keohane, Neil_Milliken,
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... Joseph_O´Conno, Debra_Ruh, John_Foliot, John_Rochford, janina, Suzanne_Taylor, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Liddy_Nevile, Jim_Allan, +1.303.349.aadd, +1.303.349.aaee, Clayton_Lewis,
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... Cooper
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-coga-minutes.html Liddy