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15:59:33 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
15:59:49 <MichaelC> meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force
16:00:14 <Zakim> +??P3
16:00:33 <MichaelC> zakim, aacc is Suzann_Keohane
16:00:33 <Zakim> +Suzann_Keohane; got it
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16:00:38 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Neil_Milliken
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16:00:52 <Zakim> +Joseph_O´Conno
16:01:06 <MichaelC> zakim, aabb is Debra_Ruh
16:01:06 <Zakim> +Debra_Ruh; got it
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16:01:33 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
16:01:43 <Zakim> +??P5
16:01:54 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P11 is John_Rochford
16:01:54 <Zakim> +John_Rochford; got it
16:01:56 <janina> zakim, ??P5 is me
16:01:56 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:02:10 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
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16:03:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:33 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Apr/0014.html
16:03:45 <MichaelC>   agenda+ Set scribe
16:03:45 <MichaelC>   agenda+ User group findings:  aging and dementia
16:03:45 <MichaelC>   agenda+ Follow up on cognitive tags by Jim Allen
16:03:45 <MichaelC>   agenda+ Review of APPL by Suzanne Taylor
16:03:45 <MichaelC>   agenda+ User group findings: ADD / ADHD
16:03:49 <Zakim> +Mary_Jo_Mueller
16:03:58 <MichaelC> zakim, Ipcaller is Liddy_Nevile
16:03:58 <Zakim> +Liddy_Nevile; got it
16:04:01 <MichaelC> agenda?
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16:04:28 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Rochford (muted), Neil_Milliken, Debra_Ruh, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Suzann_Keohane, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_O´Conno, John_Foliot, janina, Suzanne_Taylor,
16:04:31 <Zakim> ... Liddy_Nevile, Mary_Jo_Mueller
16:04:51 <MichaelC> scribe: Liddy
16:04:58 <MichaelC> zakim, close item 1
16:04:58 <Zakim> agendum 1, Set scribe, closed
16:04:59 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:04:59 <Zakim> 2. User group findings:  aging and dementia [from MichaelC]
16:05:15 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
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16:05:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-coga-minutes.html MichaelC
16:05:58 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 2
16:05:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "User group findings:  aging and dementia" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:06:06 <MichaelC> chair: Neil_Milliken
16:06:08 <MichaelC> regrets: Lisa_Seeman
16:06:23 <Zakim> + +1.303.349.aadd
16:06:24 <Liddy> KHS presenting aging etc postponed to next week after edits suggested by Lisa
16:06:50 <Zakim> - +1.303.349.aadd
16:07:18 <Zakim> +??P17
16:07:20 <Zakim> + +1.303.349.aaee
16:07:30 <allanj> zakim, set logs public
16:07:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'set logs public', allanj
16:07:35 <Liddy> Jim: cognitive tags
16:07:38 <Liddy> people joining
16:07:38 <MichaelC> zakim, aaee is Clayton_Lewis
16:07:38 <Zakim> +Clayton_Lewis; got it
16:07:39 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
16:08:25 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:08:25 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Follow up on cognitive tags by Jim Allen" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:08:38 <allanj> s/Allen/Allan
16:08:55 <Zakim> +Cooper
16:09:01 <Liddy> Jim: Clayton can help - task to look at exec function
16:09:15 <Liddy> Jim: a construct for thinking about how brain works
16:09:50 <Liddy> Jim: sometimes things very medical but not clear where everything happens
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16:10:44 <Liddy> Jim:
16:11:01 <Liddy> cognitive abilities of cog function grouped .
16:11:19 <allanj> Loosely group into the following areas: goal formation, planning, goal-directed action, self-monitoring, attention, response inhibition, and coordination of complex cognition and motor control for effective performance.
16:11:29 <Liddy> Jim: this will go in wiki
16:11:56 <Liddy> Jim: I have definitions...
16:12:07 <allanj> 1.	Inhibition - The ability to stop one's own behavior at the appropriate time, including stopping actions and thoughts. The flip side of inhibition is impulsivity; if you have weak ability to stop yourself from acting on your impulses, then you are "impulsive."
16:13:05 <allanj> 1.	Inhibition - The ability to stop one's own behavior at the appropriate time, including stopping actions and thoughts. The flip side of inhibition is impulsivity; if you have weak ability to stop yourself from acting on your impulses, then you are "impulsive."
16:13:06 <allanj> 2.	Shift - The ability to move freely from one situation to another and to think flexibly in order to respond appropriately to the situation (
16:13:08 <allanj> 3.	Emotional Control - The ability to modulate emotional responses by bringing rational thought to bear on feelings. (tolerate frustration)
16:13:09 <allanj> 4.	Initiation - The ability to begin a task or activity and to independently generate ideas, responses, or problem-solving strategies (also, ability to finish)
16:13:11 <allanj> 5.	Working memory - The capacity to hold information in mind for the purpose of completing(/performing) a task
16:13:12 <allanj> 6.	Planning/Organization - The ability to manage current and future- oriented task demands.
16:13:14 <allanj> 7.	Organization of Materials - The ability to impose order on work, play, and storage spaces.
16:13:15 <allanj> 8.	Self-Monitoring - The ability to monitor one's own performance and to measure it against some standard of what is needed or expected.
16:13:19 <Liddy> Jim: many abilities in many articles
16:14:14 <Liddy> Jim: these lead to many functional problems
16:15:23 <allanj> all  8 of these exist on a continuum, if each is on a slider, depending where you put the sliders, you come up with various disabilities
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16:15:53 <Liddy> Neil: there are many things that lead to problems with people not aware of them, how to we formulate solutions
16:16:02 <Liddy> Jim: many have to do with user settings
16:16:26 <Liddy> Jim: eg linearise the page, stop movement on page, ...
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16:17:07 <Liddy> Jim: but there will be server-based things - eg for Siri - augmented page eg
16:17:51 <Liddy> Neil: we've seen govt with easy-read docs - maybe more poeple affected than we realise
16:18:02 <Liddy> Jim: I will finish now and put this in wiki
16:19:16 <janina> akim, next item
16:19:21 <janina> zakim, next item
16:19:21 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Review of APPL by Suzanne Taylor" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:19:42 <janina> s/appl/apip/
16:19:46 <Liddy> ST: should this be review of something else? not able to do this now
16:19:57 <janina> zakim, close item 4
16:19:57 <Zakim> agendum 4, Review of APPL by Suzanne Taylor, closed
16:19:58 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:19:58 <Zakim> 5. User group findings: ADD / ADHD [from MichaelC]
16:20:09 <janina> zakim, next item
16:20:09 <Zakim> agendum 5. "User group findings: ADD / ADHD" taken up [from MichaelC]
16:20:42 <Liddy> MC: is anyone working on this?
16:20:56 <Zakim> -John_Rochford
16:21:35 <Liddy> MC: is this Barry Johnson's work - he is not here?
16:22:02 <Zakim> -Cooper
16:22:04 <janina> topic: other items
16:22:09 <Liddy> MC: anyone have anything else?
16:22:22 <Liddy> ST: review ready but April 5
16:22:42 <Liddy> DR: prsonal problems so reporting next week ..
16:23:19 <Liddy> JF: to help DR this week
16:24:17 <Liddy> Joseph: my daughter needs help getting ready for the day - done work on non-vocal section and so maybe report ready next Monday
16:25:11 <Liddy> Joseph: exec function very helpful and excellent
16:26:18 <Liddy> KD: I just joined group so this is first meeting - sectioning requirements have a lot to do with exec functions - past experience supports this
16:26:32 <Liddy> KD: eg headings etc break up the page effectively
16:26:58 <Liddy> Neil: I agree
16:28:05 <Liddy> MC: whip is cracking on all task group members!!
16:28:44 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute me
16:28:44 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
16:28:46 <Liddy> MC: anything else?
16:29:11 <Liddy> MC: what are timelines?
16:29:29 <Liddy> yes, I see, sorry - how can it be fixed?
16:29:41 <MichaelC> s/MC:/NM:/g
16:30:01 <Liddy> MC: note that chair has been Neil not Michael - correct re whip especially!
16:30:19 <Liddy> NM: any more?
16:31:11 <Liddy> NM: autism is next on list - who is that?
16:31:24 <MichaelC> ack me
16:31:41 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
16:32:05 <Liddy> MC: Lisa has assignees listed in wiki - they are not here
16:34:12 <Liddy> LN: talking about constrained languages
16:36:55 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
16:37:29 <Neil_Milliken> http://www.globish.com/
16:37:39 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
16:38:08 <Liddy> thank you!
16:38:42 <janina> Who would we ask about the prospect of an internationally agreed constrained vocabulary? Seems it would beyond scope for W3C to establish such a thing.
16:38:45 <Liddy> Liddy: www.globishfoundation.org
16:39:48 <Liddy> Janina: tricky to get this adopted - by whom?
16:41:41 <Liddy> Liddy: maybe we can do this in ISO with education tech group because it is a practice known in education
16:41:55 <Liddy> Janina: all for this - yes, let's push for this
16:42:43 <Liddy> Janina: seems like a worthy goal - association of ESL people could help too
16:43:44 <Liddy> LN: many lists exist and there are something like 200 of the 1500 words that are contentious
16:44:10 <Liddy> NM: good idea - let's keep this going
16:46:38 <Liddy> LN: human translation etc very much more accurate
16:46:50 <Liddy> Janina: copyright can be a problem...
16:46:55 <Liddy> NM: yes
16:47:01 <SuzanneT> q+
16:47:42 <Liddy> LN: copyright can be triacky
16:48:33 <Liddy> ST: with a constrained vocab, you could just translate sections so automated translation of bits could be done - eg if complicated section
16:49:10 <Liddy> Janina: need to get copyright owners on side but dictionaries from standard to constrained language would be helpful
16:49:21 <Liddy> ST; constrained vocab checker good
16:49:30 <Liddy> LN: this is available already
16:50:09 <Liddy> LN: I will wrtie this up for wiki
16:50:15 <Liddy> Janina: I will follow it
16:50:39 <Liddy> NM: Lisa would like vendors involved in this task force
16:51:02 <Liddy> NM: eg getting Dragon etc people involved
16:51:49 <Liddy> NM: impoartant to not set up standards that vendors might not want - better for all to work together
16:52:44 <MichaelC> ack me
16:52:54 <MichaelC> ack s
16:52:56 <SuzanneT> q-
16:52:57 <MichaelC> ack p
16:52:59 <Liddy> NM: all done, thank you!
16:53:03 <MichaelC> ack ??P17
16:53:11 <Liddy> Janina: wonderful chairing - applause!!
16:53:17 <Zakim> -Clayton_Lewis
16:53:19 <Zakim> -Debra_Ruh
16:53:21 <Zakim> -Suzann_Keohane
16:53:23 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
16:53:24 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:53:47 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
16:53:54 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
16:54:00 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:54:02 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:54:25 <KateDeibel> zakim bye
16:54:28 <Liddy> zakim, bye
16:54:28 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +44.203.618.aaaa, +1.804.749.aabb, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.512.445.aacc, Michael_Cooper, Suzann_Keohane, Neil_Milliken,
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16:55:04 <KateDeibel> zakim, bye
16:55:11 <Liddy> rrsagent, make minutes
16:55:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-coga-minutes.html Liddy