IRC log of html-a11y on 2014-04-10

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 2119

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 52 minutes ago

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 10 April 2014

14:54:15 [janina]

Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference

14:54:15 [janina]

Chair: Janina

14:54:15 [janina]

agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List

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agenda+ HTML-WG F2F Outcomes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0032.html

14:54:21 [janina]

agenda+ Upcoming Heartbeat Publications

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agenda+ Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps [See Below]

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agenda+ Alt Guidance & Next Steps [See Below]

14:54:28 [janina]

agenda+ Longdesc Update [See Below]

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agenda+ Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [see below]

14:54:33 [janina]

agenda+ Table Summary Issues Redux

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List

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agenda+ be done

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zakim, call janina

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ok, janina; the call is being made

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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started

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+Janina

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zakim, take up item 1

14:58:58 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]

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+Judy

14:59:40 [Judy]

zakim, who's here?

14:59:40 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Janina, Judy

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On IRC I see Judy, paulc, LJWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, IanPouncey, janina, hober, sivoais_, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot

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regrets: Mark

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+[Microsoft]

15:00:32 [paulc]

zakim, [Microsoft] is me

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+paulc; got it

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+Adrian_Roselli

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, [IPCaller] is LJWatson

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+LJWatson; got it

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scribe: aardrian

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next item

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 was just opened, aardrian

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+[IPcaller]

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+Cynthia_Shelly

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-Judy

15:06:01 [Billy_Gregory]

Zakim, +[IPcaller] is me

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sorry, Billy_Gregory, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'

15:06:40 [janina]

zakim, who's on the phone?

15:06:40 [Zakim]

On the phone I see paulc, Adrian_Roselli, LJWatson, [IPcaller], Cynthia_Shelly, Janina

15:07:21 [Billy_Gregory]

Zakin, [IPcaller] is me

15:08:07 [Billy_Gregory]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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+Billy_Gregory; got it

15:08:58 [aardrian]

PC: Sam and I have been getting feedback on whether WG needs to continue using Decision Policy

15:09:40 [aardrian]

PC: Chairs announced at F2F is that new work mode being put into place immediately.

15:10:04 [aardrian]

PC: Big change, no CfC for heartbeats, just stay on top of consensus and keep publishing.

15:10:34 [aardrian]

PC: Will stop pushing CfCs through WG, but will still use for FD, LC, etc. as defined by process doc.

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PC: Spent time checking status of normative docs (DOM4, HTML5, Canvas) and checking testing results.

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+[IPcaller]

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PC: Just sent email to Public-HTML outlining changes for what is at risk for HTML 5.0..

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-[IPcaller]

15:11:55 [aardrian]

PC: Hope to publish update in next few weeks outlining what has been removed.

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+[IPcaller]

15:12:19 [aardrian]

PC: Chairs will try to send HTML5 to LC in June to keep on track to deliver Rec by 4th quarter 2014.

15:12:27 [chaals]

zakim, [ip is me

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+chaals; got it

15:12:35 [aardrian]

Talked about HTML5.1 for a while, sentiment to speed up the schedule for 5.1.

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s/ Talked/PC: Talked/

15:13:29 [aardrian]

PC: Maybe 5.1 could take 18 months instead of 2 years.

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+Judy

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/10-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals

15:13:48 [aardrian]

PC: PF schedule for ARIA 1.1 might be aligned with HTML 5.1 schedule.

15:14:04 [chaals]

zakim, make logs public

15:14:04 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'make logs public', chaals

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rrsagent, make log public

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Present+ PaulC, Judy, Aardrian

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zakim, who is here

15:15:12 [Zakim]

chaals, you need to end that query with '?'

15:15:15 [aardrian]

PC: Decided to mark Ruby as at-risk for LC due to interop evidence, don't want to hold up 5.0.

15:15:19 [chaals]

zakim, who is here?

15:15:19 [Zakim]

On the phone I see paulc, Adrian_Roselli, LJWatson, Billy_Gregory, Cynthia_Shelly, chaals, Judy, Janina

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On IRC I see chaals, Billy_Gregory, aardrian, Judy, paulc, LJWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, IanPouncey, janina, hober, sivoais_, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot

15:15:54 [aardrian]

CS: Mentioned in meeting that a11y TF and PF would be interested in timeline changes.

15:15:57 [chaals]

Present+ CynthiaS, Leonie, BillyG

15:16:19 [aardrian]

PC: Ad hoc 30min discussion about contentEditable. No quick summary, web apps / HTML overlaps.

15:16:54 [aardrian]

PC: A11y folks may have interest. Was added to agenda last minute. Check the F2F minutes for a note.

15:17:25 [aardrian]

CS: Initial discussion around more API-based approach to editing.

15:17:29 [chaals]

q+

15:17:38 [aardrian]

CS: Keyboard shortcuts available in some browsers, not others, etc.

15:17:41 [paulc]

HTML WG F2F minutes on content editable: http://www.w3.org/2014/04/09-html-wg-minutes.html#item11

15:17:52 [aardrian]

CS: API-based minimizes those issues.

15:18:20 [aardrian]

CS: Also suggested in addition to shortcuts, consistent/common visual controls.

15:18:33 [aardrian]

CS: General consensus was more API based.

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JS: Was there a sense that would happen in 5.1 timeframe?

15:18:54 [aardrian]

CS: I didn't hear a timeline.

15:19:20 [aardrian]

PC: Web Apps meeting today and tomorrow, API meeting probably happening in Web Apps. Watch over next 48 hours.

15:19:27 [janina]

q?

15:20:17 [aardrian]

CM: Technically similar to issue with date inputs. Different controls, expectations. Complex issue.

15:21:41 [chaals]

s/issue/issues - but WebApps tends not to set time schedules for releases/

15:22:00 [paulc]

If the HTML WG does HTML 5.1 before 2016 then this might impact any plans of the TF or PF WG to align with the HTML 5.1 schedule.

15:22:09 [aardrian]

JS: Highlights: no longer CfCs in HTML for heartbeat publications,

15:22:32 [aardrian]

JS: HTML 5.1 might move down rec track faster than in plan 2014,

15:22:52 [aardrian]

JS: implications for ARIA are an open question as its timeline maybe cannot catch up.

15:23:25 [aardrian]

PC: If TF or PF plan was for a 2016 publish date, may want to stay with that plan.

15:23:38 [aardrian]

PC: That means you might end up being aligned with HTML 5.2 instead of 5.1.

15:25:14 [chaals]

q-

15:25:31 [aardrian]

next item

15:26:19 [aardrian]

JS: Steve F is prime mover, need his input.

15:26:30 [aardrian]

PC: Let's take it offline for now and update Steve F on work plan.

15:27:30 [aardrian]

JS: Second heartbeat, HTML Mappings, we discussed in ARIA editors call yesterday.

15:27:52 [aardrian]

JS: We'll see state of document when heartbeat date is set.

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next item

15:29:22 [aardrian]

JS: We may have had a decision on last week's call to move forward, some feedback on list.

15:29:52 [aardrian]

PC: At F2F, only discussion was Mark's update. He is on board with Candidate LC Draft.

15:30:14 [aardrian]

PC: Mark reported that editors are still trying to confirm everything in document is correct.

15:30:34 [aardrian]

next item

15:30:54 [aardrian]

JS: I believe everything we expected to port from 5.1 is now in 5.0.

15:31:07 [aardrian]

JS: Bug we were awaiting from WAI has been filed, referenced in agenda.

15:31:29 [aardrian]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25264

15:31:35 [paulc]

ACTI

15:31:40 [paulc]

ACTION-227?

15:31:40 [trackbot]

ACTION-227 -- Mark Sadecki to Email group for next bug triage meeting -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/227

15:31:51 [paulc]

ACTION-228?

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ACTION-228 -- Steve Faulkner to Produce a list of the bugs relating to the alt guidance changes -- due 2014-02-06 -- OPEN

15:31:51 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/228

15:31:53 [chaals]

q+

15:32:39 [paulc]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/239

15:32:44 [paulc]

ACTION-239?

15:32:44 [trackbot]

ACTION-239 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Put a review of the html alt guidance on the agenda, and call for consensus to stop work on the original guidance note -- due 2014-04-10 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/239

15:33:40 [aardrian]

PC: This is one of the 10 documents HTML WG needs to push forward. Will copy Janina and Chaals as it moves forward.

15:34:05 [aardrian]

JS: I think we have 2 questions wrapped in alt.

15:34:30 [aardrian]

JS: 1. is the TF happy with the notion of a pointer from that section of the spec to additional resources?

15:34:35 [paulc]

ACTION-238?

15:34:35 [trackbot]

ACTION-238 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Ensure that review of alt guidance page (not in the html spec) is on the tf agenda -- due 2014-04-10 -- OPEN

15:34:35 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/238

15:34:53 [aardrian]

JS: 2. the disposition on Steve's document as an HTML WG note.

15:35:27 [aardrian]

PC: That second action is 238. Need to find if WG is comfortable with landing page prior to publishing heartbeat/

15:35:44 [aardrian]

next item

15:35:51 [janina]

q?

15:35:57 [chaals]

q-

15:35:58 [janina]

ack c

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next item

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q+

15:37:06 [aardrian]

CN: Have an item to write up exit criteria.

15:37:30 [aardrian]

CN: We have tests to show 2 UAs meet the "must" requirement in the spec.

15:37:57 [aardrian]

CN: For spec editing, Mark has that on his to-do list.

15:38:08 [aardrian]

CN: Expect to put spec into CR.

15:38:29 [aardrian]

CN: Think we haven't formally agreed that test suite represents all the "must" requirements.

15:38:55 [aardrian]

JS: No longer looking for zero-length CR time. Will go into CR for some short period of time.

15:39:15 [aardrian]

next item

15:39:23 [janina]

ack c

15:39:27 [aardrian]

next item

15:39:35 [chaals]

s/have tests/will have tests/

15:39:55 [aardrian]

LW: Haven't met for 2 or 3 weeks, but are nearly at end of going through 5.0 bugs. 3 left?

15:40:11 [aardrian]

LW: Now have 3 lodged under TF component in Bugzilla.

15:40:29 [aardrian]

next item

15:41:04 [aardrian]

JS: Request for editorial improvements in the spec, brought up at CSUN. Any activity?

15:41:20 [aardrian]

JS: The people behind it may not be here today.

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next item

15:41:58 [aardrian]

JS: Close to wrapping 5.0, probably need to start to focus on 5.1.

15:42:22 [aardrian]

JS: Includes looking at 5.0 features at-risk, accessibility.

15:42:34 [aardrian]

JS: There is a wiki for things we are looking to achieve in 5.1.

15:42:47 [aardrian]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Main_Page

15:43:26 [Zakim]

-Cynthia_Shelly

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-LJWatson

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-chaals

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-Billy_Gregory

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-Judy

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-paulc

15:43:59 [aardrian]

zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Janina, Judy, paulc, Adrian_Roselli, LJWatson, Cynthia_Shelly, Billy_Gregory, [IPcaller], chaals

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/10-html-a11y-minutes.html aardrian

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