IRC log of i18n on 2014-04-03
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 03 April 2014
- 14:01:01 [r12a]
- zakim, this will be i18n
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- ok, r12a, I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM already started
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- zakim, dial richard
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +Richard
- 14:01:14 [matial]
- zzakim, who is here?
- 14:01:27 [matial]
- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see ??P15, Richard
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, matial, koji, r12a, trackbot
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- zakim, ??p15 is me
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- +matial; got it
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- +koji
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- +JcK
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- +aphillip
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see matial, Richard, koji, JcK, aphillip
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- On IRC I see aphillip, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, matial, koji, r12a, trackbot
- 14:05:46 [aphillip]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Apr/0000.html
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Apr/0000.html
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- agenda+ Universal Access
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- Topic: Action Items
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- ACTION-81
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- ACTION-81 -- Addison Phillips to Create blog post on what's going on with IRI -- due 2011-11-23 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/81
- 14:07:44 [aphillip]
- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/IRIStatus
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- close action-239
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- Closed action-239.
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- close action-293
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- Closed action-293.
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- close action-294
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- Closed action-294.
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- close action-296
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- Closed action-296.
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- Topic: Info Share
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- JcK: URN document will probably be posted tomorrow or monday
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- ... first step
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- ... remove URNs from category of URIs
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- richard: two best practices documents out for review currently
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- ... for two weeks from now
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- Topic: RADAR
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
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- Richard: working group extended for two years until 2015
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Universal Access" taken up [from aphillip]
- 14:19:17 [aphillip]
- JcK: ICANN topic in an ICANN committee
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- richard: can you send link to the list?
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- richard: trying to follow IRI/URI/IDNA thing
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- ... Don Hollander sent me a ping
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- ... issue is that
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- ... IDNA works technically, but purchasers are unhappy
- 14:21:05 [Zakim]
- + +44.797.368.aaaa
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- ... because they aren't well supported widely away from the core DNS
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- zakim, +44 is David
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- +David; got it
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- zakim, mute David
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- David should now be muted
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- Richard: getting wide range of stakeholders together to discuss universal deployment of IDNs
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- ... and further discussion at MLWeb conf
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- JcK: Don is trying to raise visibility
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- ... some folks think this could work "by magic" and others want it to be improved
- 14:25:01 [aphillip]
- JcK: another problem is that (particularly in china) that there is non-UTF-8 content unlabelled or wrongly labelled
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- JcK: some of this stuff is "hard"
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- ... for example, mail fixes requires work on mail transports
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- ... in IMAP and POP clients
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- ... problem occurs when you read community boundary
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- ... MUAs run into problems crossing script boundaries
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- .... not to mention use of IDNs for spoofing
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- -David
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- +David
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- zakim, mute david
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- David should now be muted
- 14:34:22 [r12a]
- companies can change their policies to accept idn identifiers, but you may not be able to type it in to an airport terminal
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- addison: could solve the IDNA bit in isolation
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- ... but not the non-host part of URI or the local part of email, etc.
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- JcK: if you know the A label form you can use that (the punycode form)
- 14:39:31 [aphillip]
- ... might be solved by having a smartphone app to conver to ascii
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- ... the system is worldwide
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- ... but this solves communicating inside communities
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- ... say China-to-China
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- ... or Arabic-to-Arabic
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- ... but hard when you start to go Arabic-to-Chinese
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- addison: most systems can *read* or display the data
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- richard: who are the players. what's going on, what the issues are
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- addison start our own list of the problems?
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see matial, Richard, koji, JcK, aphillip, David (muted)
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- On IRC I see David, aphillip, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, matial, koji, r12a, trackbot
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- Topic: next telecon
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- see you in two weeks
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- Topic: AOB?
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- -koji
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- -aphillip
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- -JcK
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- -matial
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- -David
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- zakim, drop richard
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- Richard is being disconnected
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- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Richard, matial, koji, JcK, aphillip, +44.797.368.aaaa, David
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:22:21 [JcK]
- JcK has left #i18n
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:23:12 [aphillip]
- Present: Richard, JcK, Mati, Koji, David, Addison
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- Regrets: Felix, Jan
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-minutes.html aphillip