IRC log of i18n on 2014-04-03

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 03 April 2014
14:01:01 [r12a]
zakim, this will be i18n
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ok, r12a, I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM already started
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zakim, dial richard
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+Richard
14:01:14 [matial]
zzakim, who is here?
14:01:27 [matial]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see ??P15, Richard
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, matial, koji, r12a, trackbot
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zakim, ??p15 is me
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+matial; got it
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+koji
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+JcK
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+aphillip
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see matial, Richard, koji, JcK, aphillip
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On IRC I see aphillip, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, matial, koji, r12a, trackbot
14:05:46 [aphillip]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Apr/0000.html
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Apr/0000.html
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agenda+ Universal Access
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Topic: Action Items
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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ACTION-81
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ACTION-81 -- Addison Phillips to Create blog post on what's going on with IRI -- due 2011-11-23 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/81
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https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/IRIStatus
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close action-239
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Closed action-239.
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close action-293
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Closed action-293.
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close action-294
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Closed action-294.
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close action-296
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Closed action-296.
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Topic: Info Share
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JcK: URN document will probably be posted tomorrow or monday
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... first step
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... remove URNs from category of URIs
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richard: two best practices documents out for review currently
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... for two weeks from now
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Topic: RADAR
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https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
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Richard: working group extended for two years until 2015
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Universal Access" taken up [from aphillip]
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JcK: ICANN topic in an ICANN committee
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richard: can you send link to the list?
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richard: trying to follow IRI/URI/IDNA thing
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... Don Hollander sent me a ping
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... issue is that
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... IDNA works technically, but purchasers are unhappy
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+ +44.797.368.aaaa
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... because they aren't well supported widely away from the core DNS
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zakim, +44 is David
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+David; got it
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zakim, mute David
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David should now be muted
14:21:36 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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Richard: getting wide range of stakeholders together to discuss universal deployment of IDNs
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... and further discussion at MLWeb conf
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JcK: Don is trying to raise visibility
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... some folks think this could work "by magic" and others want it to be improved
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JcK: another problem is that (particularly in china) that there is non-UTF-8 content unlabelled or wrongly labelled
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JcK: some of this stuff is "hard"
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... for example, mail fixes requires work on mail transports
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... in IMAP and POP clients
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... problem occurs when you read community boundary
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... MUAs run into problems crossing script boundaries
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.... not to mention use of IDNs for spoofing
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-David
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+David
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zakim, mute david
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David should now be muted
14:34:22 [r12a]
companies can change their policies to accept idn identifiers, but you may not be able to type it in to an airport terminal
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addison: could solve the IDNA bit in isolation
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... but not the non-host part of URI or the local part of email, etc.
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JcK: if you know the A label form you can use that (the punycode form)
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... might be solved by having a smartphone app to conver to ascii
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... the system is worldwide
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... but this solves communicating inside communities
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... say China-to-China
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... or Arabic-to-Arabic
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... but hard when you start to go Arabic-to-Chinese
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addison: most systems can *read* or display the data
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richard: who are the players. what's going on, what the issues are
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addison start our own list of the problems?
15:18:47 [r12a]
zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see matial, Richard, koji, JcK, aphillip, David (muted)
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On IRC I see David, aphillip, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, matial, koji, r12a, trackbot
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Topic: next telecon
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see you in two weeks
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Topic: AOB?
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-koji
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-aphillip
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-JcK
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-matial
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-David
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zakim, drop richard
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Richard is being disconnected
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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Richard, matial, koji, JcK, aphillip, +44.797.368.aaaa, David
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Present: Richard, JcK, Mati, Koji, David, Addison
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Regrets: Felix, Jan
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/03-i18n-minutes.html aphillip