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15:00:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XForms
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15:00:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
15:00:02 <trackbot> Date: 02 April 2014
15:00:20 <Steven_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0004
15:00:30 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0004
15:00:46 <Steven_> Chair: Steven
15:00:51 <Steven_> Regrets: Uli, Alain
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15:01:31 <Zakim> +ebruchez
15:04:38 <Zakim> +??P10
15:04:47 <Steven_> zakim, I am ?
15:04:47 <Zakim> +Steven_; got it
15:04:54 <Steven_> zakim, who is on the call?
15:04:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfennell, ebruchez, Steven_
15:05:39 <Steven_> Topic: ACTION-1969 - Send list of possible useful functions to do with
15:05:39 <Steven_> page (was Access to arguments)
15:05:39 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0000.html
15:06:59 <Steven_> Steven: THanks for doing this. The last sentence is the important one. "What should XForms standardise?".
15:07:07 <Steven_> s/TH/Th/
15:07:40 <Steven_> Steven: If several implementations are doing this, then it is all the more important to standardise
15:08:54 <Steven_> Erik: I think we should take the client mindset, rather than the server one
15:11:41 <Steven_> Steven: Which of these do we have a use case for? I definitely have a use case for the parameters
15:11:58 <Steven_> Erik: I think they could all be useful
15:12:28 <Steven_> Erik: You could navigate to another page by accessing the URL that it comes from
15:13:00 <Steven_> Steven: So in other words we need to think about this a bit longer: the naming, and which we need?
15:13:53 <Steven_> Steven: Shall I leave it at that, and talk about it next week, with a proposal?
15:14:24 <Steven_> ACTION: Erik to propose list of page access functions
15:14:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1970 - Propose list of page access functions [on Erik Bruchez - due 2014-04-09].
15:14:44 <Steven_> Topic: resource-error on xforms-submit-error
15:14:44 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0002.html
15:16:14 <Steven_> Steven: Summary of decisions to be made:
15:16:14 <Steven_> 	- fix or not
15:16:14 <Steven_> 	- use new values of error-type, or use error-message
15:16:14 <Steven_> 	- agree on names
15:16:14 <Steven_> 	- agree on extra information that is proposed between []
15:16:14 <Steven_> 	- be more explicit with xforms-action-error?
15:16:15 <Steven_> 	- should error-information really be error-message?
15:19:36 <Steven_> Steven: Do we fix?
15:20:28 <Steven_> Erik: error-information seems like a mistake. Deprecate, and standardise on error-message.
15:21:13 <Steven_> Steven: I think with xforms-action-error I can do a bit of digging to find out when the other values are meant to arise
15:21:53 <Steven_> Steven: Then for the submission cases, do we agree to split them out, and if so, which method?
15:22:58 <Steven_> Erik: Another way to go with it is to use error-codes, so that we don't have to name the new cases
15:24:25 <Steven_> Steven: We could do that, it would be backwards compatible. On the other hands with names, the errors are self-explanatory, and therefore you don't need to look them up.
15:24:37 <Steven_> Philip: I agree that human-readable is more acceptable
15:25:04 <Steven_> Steven: Would you object Erik to splitting them out and giving them new names?
15:25:19 <Steven_> Erik: The non-backward compatible way?
15:25:19 <Steven_> Steven: Yes
15:26:44 <Steven_> [Erik checks his collection of XForms code to see if he uses resource-error]
15:27:25 <Zakim> -pfennell
15:27:26 <Steven_> Philip: I have to leave now, and regrets for next week.
15:28:38 <Steven_> Steven: What would your preference be, Erik, in this case?
15:29:54 <Steven_> Erik: error-message is for human-readable text, so I would prefer the extra information not to go there.
15:30:40 <Steven_> Steven: Well, we could repurpose "error-information"
15:31:54 <Steven_> ... for information like what the media type we got was when in error
15:32:13 <Steven_> Erik: error-message would be fine for that
15:32:38 <Steven_> Topic: @label, @help, @hint, @alert
15:32:38 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Mar/0008.html
15:33:06 <Steven_> Steven: I sent the summary of what I am going to do, to make sure we agreee, before I actually do all the work.
15:33:23 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0005.html
15:33:39 <Steven_> Steven: I would just like the group to read and agree to the actions
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15:34:11 <Zakim> -ebruchez
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15:34:19 <Zakim> -Steven_
15:34:20 <Zakim> IA_XForms()11:00AM has ended
15:34:20 <Zakim> Attendees were pfennell, ebruchez, Steven_
15:34:27 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:34:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/02-forms-minutes.html Steven_
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