IRC log of forms on 2014-04-02

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Zakim, this will be IA_XForms
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ok, trackbot, I see IA_XForms()11:00AM already started
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Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 02 April 2014
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0004
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Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0004
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Chair: Steven
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Regrets: Uli, Alain
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+ebruchez
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+??P10
15:04:47 [Steven_]
zakim, I am ?
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+Steven_; got it
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zakim, who is on the call?
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On the phone I see pfennell, ebruchez, Steven_
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Topic: ACTION-1969 - Send list of possible useful functions to do with
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page (was Access to arguments)
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0000.html
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Steven: THanks for doing this. The last sentence is the important one. "What should XForms standardise?".
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s/TH/Th/
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Steven: If several implementations are doing this, then it is all the more important to standardise
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Erik: I think we should take the client mindset, rather than the server one
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Steven: Which of these do we have a use case for? I definitely have a use case for the parameters
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Erik: I think they could all be useful
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Erik: You could navigate to another page by accessing the URL that it comes from
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Steven: So in other words we need to think about this a bit longer: the naming, and which we need?
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Steven: Shall I leave it at that, and talk about it next week, with a proposal?
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ACTION: Erik to propose list of page access functions
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Created ACTION-1970 - Propose list of page access functions [on Erik Bruchez - due 2014-04-09].
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Topic: resource-error on xforms-submit-error
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0002.html
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Steven: Summary of decisions to be made:
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- fix or not
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- use new values of error-type, or use error-message
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- agree on names
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- agree on extra information that is proposed between []
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- be more explicit with xforms-action-error?
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- should error-information really be error-message?
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Steven: Do we fix?
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Erik: error-information seems like a mistake. Deprecate, and standardise on error-message.
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Steven: I think with xforms-action-error I can do a bit of digging to find out when the other values are meant to arise
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Steven: Then for the submission cases, do we agree to split them out, and if so, which method?
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Erik: Another way to go with it is to use error-codes, so that we don't have to name the new cases
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Steven: We could do that, it would be backwards compatible. On the other hands with names, the errors are self-explanatory, and therefore you don't need to look them up.
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Philip: I agree that human-readable is more acceptable
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Steven: Would you object Erik to splitting them out and giving them new names?
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Erik: The non-backward compatible way?
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Steven: Yes
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[Erik checks his collection of XForms code to see if he uses resource-error]
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-pfennell
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Philip: I have to leave now, and regrets for next week.
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Steven: What would your preference be, Erik, in this case?
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Erik: error-message is for human-readable text, so I would prefer the extra information not to go there.
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Steven: Well, we could repurpose "error-information"
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... for information like what the media type we got was when in error
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Erik: error-message would be fine for that
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Topic: @label, @help, @hint, @alert
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Mar/0008.html
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Steven: I sent the summary of what I am going to do, to make sure we agreee, before I actually do all the work.
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Apr/0005.html
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Steven: I would just like the group to read and agree to the actions
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{ADJOURN]
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-ebruchez
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s/{/[/
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-Steven_
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IA_XForms()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were pfennell, ebruchez, Steven_
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/02-forms-minutes.html Steven_
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