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16:59:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
16:59:21 <trackbot> Date: 31 March 2014
16:59:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
16:59:31 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
16:59:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
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17:00:45 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, aaaa is Bryan_Garaventa
17:00:45 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa; got it
17:01:10 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
17:01:10 <Zakim> ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
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17:01:21 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:01:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Bryan_Garaventa, +1.512.445.aabb, ??P3
17:01:33 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is me
17:01:33 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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17:03:03 <janina> zakim, +aabb is Susann
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17:03:30 <MichaelC> zakim, aabb is Suzanne_Keohane
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17:03:52 <MichaelC> zakim, Sus is Suzann_Keohane
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17:03:57 <MichaelC> zakim, Sua is Suzann_Keohane
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17:04:01 <MichaelC> zakim, Suz is Suzann_Keohane
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17:04:28 <MichaelC> zakim, Suz is Susann_Keohane
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17:05:07 <MichaelC> zakim, aacc is Mary_Jo_Mueller
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17:05:12 <MichaelC> zakim, aadd is Matt_King
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17:05:18 <jcraig> Zakim, Apple has jcraig
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17:05:28 <joanie> zakim, aacc is me
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17:05:46 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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17:05:58 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:05:58 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
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17:09:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Susann_Keohane
17:11:18 <Susann_Keohane> Topic: UAIG status
17:11:56 <Susann_Keohane> richard: documents using ReSpec and put out on github
17:13:19 <Susann_Keohane> michael cooper: documents are produce of both. SVG folks will have to join pf working group
17:13:50 <Susann_Keohane> george: looking for formal working statement from both groups. Sign off from both groups
17:14:25 <Susann_Keohane> george: time to publish. we will need formal approval from both groups like last call will need svg and pf sign off
17:14:30 <jcraig> s/documents are produce of both/A SVG mapping document is products of both SVG and PFWG/
17:14:50 <Susann_Keohane> richard: we are going to have to create semantics for graphics that will show up in svg spec at some point
17:15:20 <jcraig> s/george: /janina: /g
17:15:41 <Susann_Keohane> matt: how many modules - svg, uaig, core user  AIG, HTML5
17:16:02 <Susann_Keohane> richard: not decided how to deal with modules
17:16:31 <Susann_Keohane> modules meaning 2 sub efforts - (1) epub structural semantics (2) graphics
17:17:31 <Susann_Keohane> matt: modules are not uaig, but modules that are part of actually ARIA specs
17:18:25 <Susann_Keohane> matt: 6 modules - core spec, core uaig, module epub structiral semantics, graphics, spec implementations for svg and html5.1
17:19:09 <Susann_Keohane> rich: shane is working on the first reSpec
17:20:42 <Susann_Keohane> <?> defining what ReSpec and Github is
17:21:35 <MichaelC> s/<?>/JamesC:/
17:22:16 <clown> http://www.w3.org/respec/
17:22:26 <clown> Mattking^
17:23:11 <Susann_Keohane> george: html accessibility task force charter and it shows two doc as joint doc - HTML mapping guide and using aria in html
17:23:18 <jcraig> JC: Git is a type of distributed version control. GitHub is a series of tools (review, merge, compare) that work on top of Git.
17:23:24 <clown> s/george:/janina:/g
17:24:08 <Susann_Keohane> janina: might want to rename the doc
17:24:23 <jcraig> JC: ReSpec is a JavaScript-based set of transformation tools that just make it easier to do the monotonous parts of W3C spec editing.
17:24:57 <Susann_Keohane> rich: michael to chair the next two ARIA calls
17:25:32 <Susann_Keohane> Topic: ARIA 1.1 Meaty issues
17:27:04 <Susann_Keohane> DM: web components - elements inside shadow is not accesibility inside from outside
17:27:21 <Susann_Keohane> DM: idea is to encapsulate them but there are new tools to jump inside components
17:27:34 <jcraig> s/accesibility inside from outside/accessible from the containing document/
17:28:11 <Susann_Keohane> DM: challenge is what is if you need to refernce something inside from outside like aria labelled by
17:28:17 <jcraig> q+ to discuss the activedescendant example
17:28:27 <Stefan> +q
17:28:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:29:14 <Susann_Keohane> DM: two options
17:29:20 <jcraig> ack me
17:29:20 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to discuss the activedescendant example
17:29:50 <Susann_Keohane> james: active descendant - one case where this would be applicable is combobox
17:30:08 <Susann_Keohane> james: list box that pops up will be a shadow dom control
17:30:40 <Susann_Keohane> james: ask DM for other examples
17:31:11 <Susann_Keohane> DM: one case provided may not be necessary for this proposal
17:31:42 <Susann_Keohane> s/DM for james
17:32:27 <Susann_Keohane> DM: activedescendant there might be an alt case for a combo box. listbox where every option in the list box is it's own
17:32:36 <Susann_Keohane> matt: would a grid be a use case
17:32:44 <Susann_Keohane> DM: yes it's certainly possible
17:32:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:32:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:32:59 <mattking> q+
17:32:59 <jcraig> q+ Matt_King
17:33:13 <jcraig> q?
17:33:35 <Susann_Keohane> stefan: how does AT access the part. Is there already some ref exist? what can we expect
17:33:46 <jcraig> q- Matt_
17:34:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack Stefan
17:34:28 <Susann_Keohane> DM: web componenet spec doesn't specifically ref a11y, but it makes it clear how web component behave. Take all the contents to the html add it to the dom where the custom element is found. that is what is presented to ATs
17:34:51 <jcraig> q+ to describe more details/problems with the shadow DOM model
17:35:05 <Susann_Keohane> DM: basic things work as if you added the html right there
17:35:25 <Susann_Keohane> stefan: you can hide the code implementation but the screen readers can access it
17:36:04 <janina> q?
17:36:16 <jcraig> q-
17:36:17 <Susann_Keohane> DM: issues with focusability
17:37:16 <Susann_Keohane> DM: this idea of defining alt way to define id ref and could be a good feature outside of web components
17:37:17 <jcraig> Agreed that this feature is not limited to shadow DOM usage
17:38:02 <Susann_Keohane> Rich: question - the aria labelled by is inside component but wants to be labelled outside
17:38:42 <Susann_Keohane> rich: question expands into the dom
17:38:43 <Stefan> q-
17:38:54 <Susann_Keohane> rich: what if you have an a11y that is traversing the dom itself
17:39:16 <Susann_Keohane> DM: there are javascript api that let you traverse inside a component
17:39:36 <jcraig> q+ to suggest we talk about this outside the context of shadow DOM. We
17:39:48 <jcraig> ack r
17:39:52 <Susann_Keohane> DM: a11y dev tools ext for chrome supports web components and find a11y issues inside components
17:40:15 <Susann_Keohane> rich: which browsers besides chrome
17:40:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:40:48 <Susann_Keohane> DM: mozilla has provided support to the group, they are all at different stages at different browsers
17:41:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack mattking
17:41:26 <jcraig> ack mattk
17:41:47 <Susann_Keohane> matt: what is the status - what is the context?
17:42:46 <clown> http://w3c.github.io/webcomponents/explainer/ ?
17:42:51 <Susann_Keohane> DM: web components could be considered a mini iframe
17:43:11 <jcraig> ack me
17:43:11 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to suggest we talk about this outside the context of shadow DOM. We
17:43:19 <Susann_Keohane> DM: shoudl take the discussion outside of web components to progress conversation
17:43:41 <jcraig> q+ you wanted to suggest we talk about this outside the context of shadow DOM.
17:43:43 <Susann_Keohane> matt: shadow dom, it is very diff than iframe that is not a seperate doc
17:43:45 <clown> shadow dom:  http://w3c.github.io/webcomponents/spec/shadow/index.html
17:43:57 <Susann_Keohane> DM: it has its own render tree that is how it is seperate
17:44:35 <Susann_Keohane> DM: it does have its own scripts and style sheets
17:44:45 <jcraig> q+ to suggest we talk about this outside the context of shadow DOM.
17:44:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:45:00 <Susann_Keohane> matt: a11y req around landmark and regions. If there is a main landmark inside a web component will there be a problem
17:45:23 <Susann_Keohane> <?> everything should work as everything was composed into one page
17:45:37 <Susann_Keohane> susann: not sure who is speaking right now
17:46:01 <jcraig> ack me
17:46:01 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to suggest we talk about this outside the context of shadow DOM.
17:46:40 <Susann_Keohane> james: if you were to create a dialog and wanted to label it, you would have to give it a heading and ref it
17:46:50 <Susann_Keohane> james: I am labelled by the first heading inside of me
17:47:05 <Susann_Keohane> james; i control the first element inside me matching this classname
17:47:18 <Susann_Keohane> james: locked into id ref so it's not possible today
17:47:48 <Susann_Keohane> james: it would be easier to ref a particular element inside a control
17:47:51 <mattking> q?
17:47:58 <mattking> q+
17:48:08 <Susann_Keohane> james: shadow dom is an ex that can't be done currently
17:48:19 <Susann_Keohane> james: but it is useful outside the shadow dom
17:48:45 <Susann_Keohane> brian: asked a question about ref in mark up
17:49:16 <Susann_Keohane> james: open up token parsing and attribute parsing rules to simple selectors
17:49:36 <Susann_Keohane> james: javascript based use a ccs selector and pass in ref to a dom element at page render time
17:49:50 <jcraig> ack rich
17:49:54 <Susann_Keohane> james: any and all selectors or whats avail in javascript
17:49:54 <mattking> Q-
17:50:12 <Susann_Keohane> ich: query selector, it could be problematic
17:50:42 <Susann_Keohane> rich: you could have a mix that has to be parsed
17:50:59 <Susann_Keohane> rich:the mix of id and javascript
17:51:12 <Susann_Keohane> james: he put in a decent soln to that problem
17:51:34 <Susann_Keohane> rich: the idea of a selector is really nice and save code
17:51:52 <jcraig> Dominic proposed on list: aria-foo="myIdRef selector(mySelector) mySecondIdRef"
17:52:06 <Susann_Keohane> james: this is what dominic posted on list
17:52:37 <Susann_Keohane> james: unique syntax as open parm
17:53:02 <Susann_Keohane> james: worried about complex selectors
17:53:13 <Susann_Keohane> james: two elements or two class, do we allow
17:53:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:53:27 <Susann_Keohane> matt: any other specs that use ids in this way or is aria the first
17:53:38 <Susann_Keohane> james: html and svg do use it in several places
17:53:58 <Susann_Keohane> DM: label for =  and table cell can spec headers by id ref
17:54:09 <Susann_Keohane> DM: svg is another classic example
17:54:20 <Susann_Keohane> matt: is there any other spec that allows id to be selectors
17:54:27 <Susann_Keohane> matt: we're breaking new ground
17:54:43 <Susann_Keohane> rich: i like the selector indicator and run eval on it
17:55:11 <Susann_Keohane> DM: query selector and pass it that string to pass it that element
17:55:50 <Susann_Keohane> james: label all would be necessary
17:56:01 <Susann_Keohane> james: query selector all picks all
17:56:13 <Susann_Keohane> matt: every that has a certain class would make sense
17:56:27 <Susann_Keohane> DM: if aria attribute allows for multiple, select all
17:56:48 <Susann_Keohane> DM: rare if multiple elelments map and only won't the first one
17:57:16 <jcraig> aria-foo="selector([role=heading])"
17:57:28 <Susann_Keohane> DM: aria labelled by that takes multiple ids then call all
17:57:45 <Susann_Keohane> matt: the author would have to responsible to make sure you have a unique match
17:57:52 <jcraig> aria-foo="selector(>[role=heading])" (only the first heading?)
17:58:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:58:18 <Susann_Keohane> DM: I could go either way. we don't have to specify every permutation
17:58:41 <Susann_Keohane> matt: if there is anything implicited like it's all there is agreat possible of confusion
17:58:55 <Susann_Keohane> rich: 4 heading would give you list of headings
17:59:15 <Susann_Keohane> DM: dont need to solve the issue today on query select
17:59:15 <jcraig> q+
17:59:21 <jcraig> ack r
17:59:38 <Susann_Keohane> rich: logicistic issue who is going to discuss web components group
17:59:47 <Susann_Keohane> james: no need to discuss with web components
17:59:55 <Susann_Keohane> james: need to discuss in web app and css
18:00:05 <Susann_Keohane> james: need a soln before we discuss to each group
18:00:17 <Susann_Keohane> rich: who is the person that will go discuss. James could go to web apps
18:00:33 <Susann_Keohane> james: is fine with that and is a member of css
18:00:52 <Susann_Keohane> james: want to work out all the kinks. Don't see a prob with javascript api
18:01:10 <Susann_Keohane> james: there is oddities with putting selectors inside attributes bc there is not precedents
18:01:22 <Susann_Keohane> DM: agreed there is alot of details to work out
18:02:21 <jcraig> s/precedents/precedence/
18:02:49 <Susann_Keohane> DM: query selector can defer computation until AT request it
18:03:01 <jcraig> deferred computation is a good reason for the query approach
18:03:03 <Susann_Keohane> DM: potential performance win
18:03:27 <Susann_Keohane> DM: once when requested inside updated continuously
18:03:43 <Susann_Keohane> s/ inside with instead
18:04:03 <Susann_Keohane> james: how would you get a reference to self
18:04:23 <jcraig> attr="selector(>[role=heading])"
18:04:28 <Susann_Keohane> james: child selector
18:04:40 <Susann_Keohane> james: first child heading instead of first heading
18:04:55 <Susann_Keohane> DM: document query selector
18:05:21 <Susann_Keohane> james: can happen in nested web components
18:05:46 <Susann_Keohane> james: even if you added an id to get to self, you will have to ref shadow root with other selector and if multiple things match how would you tell
18:06:18 <Susann_Keohane> DM: may need to add syntax for self. Need to think about it some more
18:07:02 <Susann_Keohane> rich: what are the issues that we need to discuss? (1) attribute selector (2) nesting of web component (3) concerned about query selector resolve to multiple name
18:07:13 <Susann_Keohane> rich: other items?
18:07:34 <Susann_Keohane> DM: strong feelings about html only route vs javascript only route
18:07:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
18:07:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> q/
18:07:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
18:07:48 <Susann_Keohane> DM: does anyone have strong objections to one or other
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18:08:14 <Susann_Keohane> james: no strong objections but working out kinks
18:08:34 <Susann_Keohane> james: this is a shift from typical declarative aria approach
18:08:45 <Susann_Keohane> james: there is not other language that use selectors
18:09:36 <Susann_Keohane> DM: may won't to choose one to go with first
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18:10:05 <Susann_Keohane> james: reflective attributes for the rest of stuff
18:10:19 <Susann_Keohane> rich: the only thing I worry about is the test tool and how they get at information
18:10:26 <Susann_Keohane> rich: they are use to walking the dom
18:10:52 <Susann_Keohane> DM: we would have a javascript interface to inspect
18:11:02 <Susann_Keohane> rich: how hard to get features into browsers
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18:11:21 <Susann_Keohane> rich: getting javascript features into browser is always a challenge
18:11:34 <Susann_Keohane> rich: understand it will be hard to coordinate
18:11:57 <Susann_Keohane> DM: that is why he is open to both ideas. reach out to mozilla as soon as possible
18:12:04 <Susann_Keohane> james: alex and david are both on the list
18:12:17 <Susann_Keohane> rich: we would have to get this in svg also
18:12:25 <Susann_Keohane> rich: if we are going to use the api route
18:12:46 <Susann_Keohane> james: element interface instead of html interface and should inherit to svg
18:13:27 <Susann_Keohane> rich: specific methods to say get role
18:13:55 <Susann_Keohane> james: we have specific aria to use in any language, generic mark up language
18:14:06 <Susann_Keohane> james: language has a possible to modify how aria efects it
18:14:23 <Susann_Keohane> rich: if you look at the dom form spec, don't have a get role
18:14:36 <Susann_Keohane> james: we will put in aria 1.1 our porposed ext to element
18:14:42 <Susann_Keohane> james: keep it into aria spec
18:14:55 <Susann_Keohane> rich: start earlier rather than later
18:15:10 <Susann_Keohane> rich: dont need it to be in dom spec?
18:15:21 <Susann_Keohane> james: as long as we extend it in a std way we can keep it in aria spec
18:15:38 <Susann_Keohane> james: search html doc for partial interface element and you will see it
18:15:55 <jcraig> s/partial interface element/"partial interface Element"/
18:15:58 <Susann_Keohane> rich: what do we do about css attribute selector that are not in dom
18:16:26 <Susann_Keohane> james: one of proposal is the role selector, computed role selector
18:16:30 <jcraig> CSS computed role selector :role() selector
18:16:56 <Susann_Keohane> james: proposed this last year. render h1, h2 and any element that was equivalent to able
18:17:05 <Susann_Keohane> s/ able / "above"
18:17:14 <jcraig> h1, h2, *[role="heading"] would be equivalent to *:role(heading)
18:17:23 <Susann_Keohane> rich: checkbox?
18:17:35 <Susann_Keohane> james: you can use attrib selector for it
18:18:22 <jcraig> reflected attrs would be something like this: el.ariaChecked = "true"; results in <el aria-checked="true">
18:18:46 <Susann_Keohane> james: IE had reflected attib in its first implementation
18:18:55 <Susann_Keohane> james: beneficial qualities to it
18:19:05 <Susann_Keohane> rich: lets make sure we get this covered
18:19:15 <jcraig> s/IE had reflected /I think IE may have had reflected /
18:19:16 <Susann_Keohane> rich: is trying to reduce the amt of javascript
18:19:29 <jcraig> q+ to ask why you are trying to reduce JS usage
18:19:43 <Susann_Keohane> rich: trying to get fast and smaller
18:19:43 <jcraig> ack me
18:19:43 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to ask why you are trying to reduce JS usage
18:19:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
18:20:00 <jcraig> ack r
18:20:27 <Susann_Keohane> rich: adding aria attributes after teh fact and adds performance issues. structures we use for aria we find in uI across the board
18:20:44 <Susann_Keohane> rich: we can style the UI using those attrib rather then make modifications to the dom
18:21:04 <Susann_Keohane> rich: trying to reduce footprint and make it faster
18:21:38 <Susann_Keohane> james: clarify - you had to change the aria properties and classname on element
18:21:54 <Susann_Keohane> rich: the viz would change that you set something in the dom
18:22:29 <Susann_Keohane> rich: alot of component lib don't make use of css capability because of running in old broswer
18:23:12 <Susann_Keohane> rich: css scrollable div didn't exist in IE 6
18:23:24 <Susann_Keohane> rich: we are seeing performance gains
18:23:50 <Susann_Keohane> rich: add a11y features in begin and use it to drive style reduces the amount of aria code
18:24:09 <Susann_Keohane> james: reSpec makes it easier to add new interfeaces
18:24:52 <Zakim> -Stefan_Schnabel
18:25:14 <jcraig> s/reSpec makes it easier to add new interfeaces/ReSpec makes it easier to add new IDL interfaces/
18:25:26 <Susann_Keohane> Topic issue 590
18:25:30 <jcraig> issue-590?
18:25:30 <trackbot> issue-590 -- add caption role -- raised
18:25:30 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/590
18:25:32 <Susann_Keohane> rich: it can be closed
18:25:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> Issue 590 Caption Role: Per our last discussion this should be closed in
18:25:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> favor of aria-labelledby
18:25:45 <richardschwerdtfeger>   -  https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/590
18:25:47 <clown> issue-590?
18:25:47 <trackbot> issue-590 -- add caption role -- raised
18:25:47 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/590
18:26:07 <Susann_Keohane> DM: used for tables and figures
18:26:20 <Susann_Keohane> DM: we dont have 1-1 mapping
18:26:38 <Susann_Keohane> DM: we got rid of label in aria 1.0 bc we had labelledby
18:27:07 <Susann_Keohane> DM: bc we now have this planned interface for computed role, move towards having a 1-1 mapping with any of the semantic html components
18:27:22 <Susann_Keohane> DM: may need a generic for the ones we don't have 1-1 mapping
18:27:51 <Susann_Keohane> DM: not to close issue but reinstating the label role?
18:28:07 <Susann_Keohane> rich: any objecting to introducing the label role?
18:28:40 <Susann_Keohane> matt: don't understand what the role=label buys you
18:28:55 <Susann_Keohane> DM: benefit is to inspect the dom the javascript interface
18:29:54 <Susann_Keohane> DM: computing role should return heading in examples provided
18:30:28 <Susann_Keohane> DM: caption has not element role mapping
18:32:39 <Susann_Keohane> matt: so what is the advantage?
18:32:47 <Susann_Keohane> rich: overtime
18:32:50 <Susann_Keohane> rich: take it to the list
18:32:52 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
18:32:56 <clown> IA2_ROLE_PARAGRAPH
18:32:58 <Susann_Keohane> rich: response to action item 1398
18:33:03 <jcraig> action-1398?
18:33:03 <trackbot> action-1398 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Email list with discussion points for localized custom role names on known role types: role inheritance hierarchy, roadmap towards custom roles outlined, localization implications, potential for subroles etc. -- due 2014-03-24 -- OPEN
18:33:04 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1398
18:33:15 <Susann_Keohane> rich: take a look at it and discuss over next week
18:33:20 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
18:33:22 <Zakim> -Bryan_Garaventa
18:33:23 <Zakim> -[Apple]
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18:33:31 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:33:32 <Susann_Keohane> Zakim, bye
18:33:32 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.415.624.aaaa, +1.512.445.aabb, Bryan_Garaventa, janina, Michael_Cooper, Suzanne_Keohane, Suzann_Keohane,
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18:33:50 <Susann_Keohane> rrs agent, make minutes
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18:34:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/31-aria-minutes.html Susann_Keohane
18:34:02 <jcraig> rich, don't forget to reference your email to the list in action-1398
18:34:13 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, make log public
18:35:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats" <public-pfwg@w3.org>,
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