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13:31:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
13:31:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:31:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:31:49 <trackbot> Date: 28 March 2014
13:32:06 <KimPatch> zakim, this is 6283
13:32:06 <Zakim> KimPatch, I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be 6283".
13:32:19 <KimPatch> zakim, this will be 6283
13:32:19 <Zakim> ok, KimPatch; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 28 minutes
13:33:22 <KimPatch>  rrsagent, make log world
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13:34:11 <KimPatch> chair: Kimberly_Patch
13:36:00 <KimPatch> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Mar/0018.html
13:36:18 <KimPatch> agenda+  Update from WCAG 2.0 meeting at CSUN regarding technique development
13:36:19 <KimPatch> agenda+  Schedule for technique review
13:36:21 <KimPatch> agenda+  Options for including mobile accessibility techniques into WCAG 2.0
13:36:22 <KimPatch> agenda+  Next Steps – next meeting will be Friday April 4
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13:50:59 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started
13:51:05 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
13:51:35 <KimPatch> agenda?
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13:59:20 <AlanSmith> Have my other call to be on so I'm double listening for a while.
13:59:34 <Zakim> +kathleen
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14:00:59 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
14:01:00 <DavidTodd> Zakim, aaaa is me
14:01:01 <Zakim> +DavidTodd; got it
14:01:30 <Zakim> +EricP
14:02:27 <Kathy> zakim, who is on the phone
14:02:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Kathy
14:03:40 <Kathy> zakim, list attendees
14:03:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, kathleen, +1.720.663.aaaa, Jon_Avila, Alan_Smith, DavidTodd, wuwei
14:04:07 <Zakim> +Jeanne
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14:04:23 <jon_avila> zakim, who is talking?
14:04:36 <Zakim> jon_avila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kim_Patch (38%)
14:04:50 <jeanne> agenda?
14:05:01 <KimPatch> zakim, next item
14:05:01 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Update from WCAG 2.0 meeting at CSUN regarding technique development" taken up [from KimPatch]
14:05:28 <DavidTodd> Kathy & Jeanne at CSUN
14:05:45 <DavidTodd> Kathy reporting on WCAG meeting @ CSUN.
14:06:11 <DavidTodd> Kathy: One topic was how to write to write techs. for WCAG.
14:06:16 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Writing_WCAG_Techniques_-_Notes
14:06:33 <DavidTodd> Kathy: There is a wiki page on how to write techs.
14:06:49 <DavidTodd> Kathy: recommend we read "how to".
14:07:21 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template
14:07:32 <DavidTodd> Kathy: There is a template for writing techs.
14:07:58 <DavidTodd> Kathy: recommends reviewing techs. template.
14:08:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:08:36 <DavidTodd> Kathy: easier to use wiki for writing techs.
14:08:44 <Jan_> zakim, who's here?
14:08:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, kathleen, DavidTodd, Jon_Avila, Alan_Smith, wuwei (muted), Jeanne, [IPcaller]
14:08:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jan_, jeanne, jon_avila, DavidTodd, kathleen, AlanSmith, Kathy, wuwei, Zakim, RRSAgent, KimPatch, MichaelC, trackbot
14:09:00 <Jan_> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
14:09:00 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
14:09:25 <DavidTodd> Kim: How to stay coordinated with other groups?
14:09:28 <AlanSmith> I've book marked them and will look at them
14:09:53 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Create a work plan to document what we are going to do.
14:10:42 <DavidTodd> Kathy: 2 things are underway (gap analysis and BBC review).
14:11:55 <DavidTodd> Kathy: When finished reviewing techniques send a note to the group so we can start reviewing as a group.
14:12:47 <DavidTodd> Kathy: There are number of ways to present mobile guidance in the techniques.
14:13:55 <DavidTodd> Kim: 2 things that need to be done. Common failures and last part of general techniques.
14:14:42 <DavidTodd> John will do 1 - 20 of common failures.
14:17:02 <DavidTodd> Kim & Kathy: Keep in mind both native and hybrid apps when reviewing techniques.
14:17:31 <DavidTodd> Kathleen: Silverlight not supported on mobile.
14:17:39 <jon_avila> q+
14:18:59 <Kathy> Here are the assignments
14:19:00 <Kathy> Jonathan Avila	Common Failures: F52-F89
14:19:00 <Kathy> Kathleen Anderson	CSS Techniques: C23-C30
14:19:00 <Kathy> David Todd	General Techniques: G101-G150
14:19:00 <Kathy> Kathleen Wahlbin	Common Failures: F1-F50
14:19:00 <Kathy> Kimberly Patch	FLASH: FLASH 1-36
14:19:00 <Kathy> Alan Smith	General Techniques: G151-G202
14:19:21 <jon_avila> q-
14:19:29 <DavidTodd> Jon: Should we add notes about html specific topics?
14:19:35 <DavidTodd> Kim: yes
14:20:33 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Ways we can present mobile accessibility techniques and changes to understanding documents so people get the information they need.
14:24:17 <Jan_> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/
14:24:24 <jeanne> q+ to say that a separate mobile techniques section would solve the problem of duplicating work in other groups
14:25:16 <DavidTodd> Jan: Makes sense to have a mobile techs. page that pulls everything in one place.
14:25:35 <DavidTodd> Kathy: How to deal with the different technologies?
14:26:27 <jon_avila> There may also be some general mobile technqiues
14:26:41 <Jan_> q+ I would cross-reference from both Plain HTML and mobile HTML
14:27:05 <DavidTodd> Jeanne: There are disadvantages to having separate techniques (e.g., maintenance)
14:27:48 <DavidTodd> Kim: Thinks a separate document would be good.
14:28:16 <kathleen> q+
14:28:20 <DavidTodd> Kathy: What do we think from a developer perspective?
14:29:21 <jon_avila> Right, people may be using responsive design
14:29:33 <Jan_> q+
14:29:54 <Jan_> ack jeanne
14:29:54 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to say that a separate mobile techniques section would solve the problem of duplicating work in other groups
14:30:54 <DavidTodd> Jan: Support the notion that WCAG is the appropriate guideline.
14:32:25 <DavidTodd> kathleen: would like to work with one document rather that two.
14:32:34 <jon_avila> q+
14:32:44 <Jan_> Jan: The mobile native technaiwues should be their own sections of http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/
14:32:53 <Jan_> ack Jan_
14:33:12 <Jan_> Jan: Would like to see a "Mobile HTML" section of http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/
14:33:46 <Jan_> Jan: Then there could be cross-references from "Desktop HTML" to matching "Mobile HTML" section and vice versa
14:34:15 <Jan_> ack kathleeen
14:34:21 <kathleen> q-
14:34:29 <Jan_> ack kathleen
14:34:43 <Jan_> ack jon_avila
14:34:59 <DavidTodd> Jon: General & HTML guidelines that work in mobile we should reference.
14:35:24 <Jan_> Jon: People will be using "responsive web design"
14:39:01 <jon_avila> The reason I was saying something might not apply is because it's not accessibility supported on mobile.
14:39:10 <DavidTodd> Kathleen: Add additional sections to existing techs?
14:39:44 <jon_avila> survey?
14:39:49 <Jan_> Jan: Since what is accessibility supported changes over time, notes to that effect should be "soft"
14:39:59 <DavidTodd> Kathy: yes, or could incorporate other models.
14:40:42 <DavidTodd> Kim: Create a wiki page with different models.
14:41:01 <DavidTodd> Kathy: schedule people to present what they have done.
14:41:41 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Decide on a direction in the next couple of weeks.
14:42:35 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Get feedback in a controlled manner.
14:43:08 <DavidTodd> Kim: Next time we will have list of models and then walk through completed work.
14:43:54 <DavidTodd> Kathy: Think about the techs. that address keyboard.
14:43:59 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Keyboard_Access/Modality_Independent_Control/IndieUI
14:44:32 <DavidTodd> There is a summary page of keyboard issues from WCAG meeting.
14:46:53 <Zakim> -Jon_Avila
14:46:56 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
14:46:57 <Zakim> -Jan
14:46:59 <Zakim> -kathleen
14:46:59 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
14:47:00 <Zakim> -Jeanne
14:47:06 <Zakim> -wuwei
14:47:44 <KimPatch> zakim, list participants
14:47:44 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, kathleen, +1.720.663.aaaa, Jon_Avila, Alan_Smith, DavidTodd, wuwei, Jeanne, Jan
14:48:00 <KimPatch> rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html KimPatch
14:48:33 <KimPatch> rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html KimPatch
14:49:39 <KimPatch>  rrsagent, bye
14:49:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items