IRC log of mobile-a11y on 2014-03-28

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13:31:44 [RRSAgent]
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logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/03/28-mobile-a11y-irc
13:31:46 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, make logs 328
13:31:46 [Zakim]
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13:31:48 [trackbot]
Zakim, this will be
13:31:48 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:31:49 [trackbot]
Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:31:49 [trackbot]
Date: 28 March 2014
13:32:06 [KimPatch]
zakim, this is 6283
13:32:06 [Zakim]
KimPatch, I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be 6283".
13:32:19 [KimPatch]
zakim, this will be 6283
13:32:19 [Zakim]
ok, KimPatch; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 28 minutes
13:33:22 [KimPatch]
rrsagent, make log world
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chair: Kimberly_Patch
13:36:00 [KimPatch]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Mar/0018.html
13:36:18 [KimPatch]
agenda+ Update from WCAG 2.0 meeting at CSUN regarding technique development
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agenda+ Schedule for technique review
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agenda+ Options for including mobile accessibility techniques into WCAG 2.0
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agenda+ Next Steps – next meeting will be Friday April 4
13:47:52 [wwu]
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13:50:59 [Zakim]
WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started
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+Kim_Patch
13:51:35 [KimPatch]
agenda?
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+Kathy_Wahlbin
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13:59:20 [AlanSmith]
Have my other call to be on so I'm double listening for a while.
13:59:34 [Zakim]
+kathleen
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+ +1.720.663.aaaa
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+Jon_Avila
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+Alan_Smith
14:01:00 [DavidTodd]
Zakim, aaaa is me
14:01:01 [Zakim]
+DavidTodd; got it
14:01:30 [Zakim]
+EricP
14:02:27 [Kathy]
zakim, who is on the phone
14:02:27 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Kathy
14:03:40 [Kathy]
zakim, list attendees
14:03:40 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, kathleen, +1.720.663.aaaa, Jon_Avila, Alan_Smith, DavidTodd, wuwei
14:04:07 [Zakim]
+Jeanne
14:04:12 [jeanne]
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14:04:23 [jon_avila]
zakim, who is talking?
14:04:36 [Zakim]
jon_avila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kim_Patch (38%)
14:04:50 [jeanne]
agenda?
14:05:01 [KimPatch]
zakim, next item
14:05:01 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Update from WCAG 2.0 meeting at CSUN regarding technique development" taken up [from KimPatch]
14:05:28 [DavidTodd]
Kathy & Jeanne at CSUN
14:05:45 [DavidTodd]
Kathy reporting on WCAG meeting @ CSUN.
14:06:11 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: One topic was how to write to write techs. for WCAG.
14:06:16 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Writing_WCAG_Techniques_-_Notes
14:06:33 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: There is a wiki page on how to write techs.
14:06:49 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: recommend we read "how to".
14:07:21 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template
14:07:32 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: There is a template for writing techs.
14:07:58 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: recommends reviewing techs. template.
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+[IPcaller]
14:08:31 [Jan_]
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14:08:36 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: easier to use wiki for writing techs.
14:08:44 [Jan_]
zakim, who's here?
14:08:44 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, kathleen, DavidTodd, Jon_Avila, Alan_Smith, wuwei (muted), Jeanne, [IPcaller]
14:08:47 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Jan_, jeanne, jon_avila, DavidTodd, kathleen, AlanSmith, Kathy, wuwei, Zakim, RRSAgent, KimPatch, MichaelC, trackbot
14:09:00 [Jan_]
zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
14:09:00 [Zakim]
+Jan; got it
14:09:25 [DavidTodd]
Kim: How to stay coordinated with other groups?
14:09:28 [AlanSmith]
I've book marked them and will look at them
14:09:53 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: Create a work plan to document what we are going to do.
14:10:42 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: 2 things are underway (gap analysis and BBC review).
14:11:55 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: When finished reviewing techniques send a note to the group so we can start reviewing as a group.
14:12:47 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: There are number of ways to present mobile guidance in the techniques.
14:13:55 [DavidTodd]
Kim: 2 things that need to be done. Common failures and last part of general techniques.
14:14:42 [DavidTodd]
John will do 1 - 20 of common failures.
14:17:02 [DavidTodd]
Kim & Kathy: Keep in mind both native and hybrid apps when reviewing techniques.
14:17:31 [DavidTodd]
Kathleen: Silverlight not supported on mobile.
14:17:39 [jon_avila]
q+
14:18:59 [Kathy]
Here are the assignments
14:19:00 [Kathy]
Jonathan AvilaCommon Failures: F52-F89
14:19:00 [Kathy]
Kathleen AndersonCSS Techniques: C23-C30
14:19:00 [Kathy]
David ToddGeneral Techniques: G101-G150
14:19:00 [Kathy]
Kathleen WahlbinCommon Failures: F1-F50
14:19:00 [Kathy]
Kimberly PatchFLASH: FLASH 1-36
14:19:00 [Kathy]
Alan SmithGeneral Techniques: G151-G202
14:19:21 [jon_avila]
q-
14:19:29 [DavidTodd]
Jon: Should we add notes about html specific topics?
14:19:35 [DavidTodd]
Kim: yes
14:20:33 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: Ways we can present mobile accessibility techniques and changes to understanding documents so people get the information they need.
14:24:17 [Jan_]
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/
14:24:24 [jeanne]
q+ to say that a separate mobile techniques section would solve the problem of duplicating work in other groups
14:25:16 [DavidTodd]
Jan: Makes sense to have a mobile techs. page that pulls everything in one place.
14:25:35 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: How to deal with the different technologies?
14:26:27 [jon_avila]
There may also be some general mobile technqiues
14:26:41 [Jan_]
q+ I would cross-reference from both Plain HTML and mobile HTML
14:27:05 [DavidTodd]
Jeanne: There are disadvantages to having separate techniques (e.g., maintenance)
14:27:48 [DavidTodd]
Kim: Thinks a separate document would be good.
14:28:16 [kathleen]
q+
14:28:20 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: What do we think from a developer perspective?
14:29:21 [jon_avila]
Right, people may be using responsive design
14:29:33 [Jan_]
q+
14:29:54 [Jan_]
ack jeanne
14:29:54 [Zakim]
jeanne, you wanted to say that a separate mobile techniques section would solve the problem of duplicating work in other groups
14:30:54 [DavidTodd]
Jan: Support the notion that WCAG is the appropriate guideline.
14:32:25 [DavidTodd]
kathleen: would like to work with one document rather that two.
14:32:34 [jon_avila]
q+
14:32:44 [Jan_]
Jan: The mobile native technaiwues should be their own sections of http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/
14:32:53 [Jan_]
ack Jan_
14:33:12 [Jan_]
Jan: Would like to see a "Mobile HTML" section of http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/
14:33:46 [Jan_]
Jan: Then there could be cross-references from "Desktop HTML" to matching "Mobile HTML" section and vice versa
14:34:15 [Jan_]
ack kathleeen
14:34:21 [kathleen]
q-
14:34:29 [Jan_]
ack kathleen
14:34:43 [Jan_]
ack jon_avila
14:34:59 [DavidTodd]
Jon: General & HTML guidelines that work in mobile we should reference.
14:35:24 [Jan_]
Jon: People will be using "responsive web design"
14:39:01 [jon_avila]
The reason I was saying something might not apply is because it's not accessibility supported on mobile.
14:39:10 [DavidTodd]
Kathleen: Add additional sections to existing techs?
14:39:44 [jon_avila]
survey?
14:39:49 [Jan_]
Jan: Since what is accessibility supported changes over time, notes to that effect should be "soft"
14:39:59 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: yes, or could incorporate other models.
14:40:42 [DavidTodd]
Kim: Create a wiki page with different models.
14:41:01 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: schedule people to present what they have done.
14:41:41 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: Decide on a direction in the next couple of weeks.
14:42:35 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: Get feedback in a controlled manner.
14:43:08 [DavidTodd]
Kim: Next time we will have list of models and then walk through completed work.
14:43:54 [DavidTodd]
Kathy: Think about the techs. that address keyboard.
14:43:59 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Keyboard_Access/Modality_Independent_Control/IndieUI
14:44:32 [DavidTodd]
There is a summary page of keyboard issues from WCAG meeting.
14:46:53 [Zakim]
-Jon_Avila
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-Alan_Smith
14:46:57 [Zakim]
-Jan
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-kathleen
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-Kathy_Wahlbin
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-Jeanne
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-wuwei
14:47:44 [KimPatch]
zakim, list participants
14:47:44 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, kathleen, +1.720.663.aaaa, Jon_Avila, Alan_Smith, DavidTodd, wuwei, Jeanne, Jan
14:48:00 [KimPatch]
rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:00 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html KimPatch
14:48:33 [KimPatch]
rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:33 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html KimPatch
14:49:39 [KimPatch]
rrsagent, bye
14:49:39 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items