IRC log of i18n on 2014-03-20

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-i18n-irc
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15:22:53 [aphillip]
zakim, this will be I18N
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ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 38 minutes
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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 37 minutes
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 20 March 2014
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Mar/0014.html
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Regrets: Jan
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agenda+ RADAR
15:24:00 [aphillip]
agenda+ What time is this meeting at?
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agenda+ Quotation Marks in Multilingual Text
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agenda+ Universal Acceptance of IDN TLDs, Deterministic Encoding, and other URL issues
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agenda+ HTML Issues 342, 343
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agenda+ TPAC plans
15:24:47 [aphillip]
agenda?
15:24:56 [aphillip]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:25:45 [aphillip]
Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
15:26:00 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:33:38 [r12a]
hi addision
15:33:51 [r12a]
meeting starts at 16:00 UTC right?
15:33:57 [r12a]
oh, yes
15:34:01 [r12a]
sorry coming
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zakim, dial richard
15:34:09 [Zakim]
ok, r12a; the call is being made
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hmm, no ringing
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zakim, this will be i18n
15:34:46 [Zakim]
ok, r12a; I see I18N_CoreWG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 26 minutes
15:34:53 [r12a]
zakim, dial richard
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:35:06 [r12a]
how about skype?
15:48:52 [aphillip]
agenda?
15:48:56 [aphillip]
zakim, who is here?
15:48:56 [Zakim]
I18N_CoreWG()12:00PM has not yet started, aphillip
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
16:01:13 [Zakim]
I18N_CoreWG()12:00PM has now started
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+aphillip
16:02:58 [r12a]
zakim, dial richard please
16:02:58 [Zakim]
ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+Richard
16:05:10 [aphillip]
agenda?
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Topic: Agenda?
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agenda?
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+??P12
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Topic: Info Share
16:07:54 [matial]
zakim, ??p12 is me
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+matial; got it
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+koji
16:09:24 [aphillip]
koji: group in japan is working on the ruby spec
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... getting feedback
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... could someone look at?
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+JcK
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 1
16:12:52 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "RADAR" taken up [from aphillip]
16:13:14 [aphillip]
https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar#Scheduled_Last_Call_reviews
16:13:34 [aphillip]
agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 6
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agendum 6. "TPAC plans" taken up [from aphillip]
16:14:22 [aphillip]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Mar/0008.html
16:15:17 [aphillip]
action: addison: send a note on member about TPAC attendance
16:15:17 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-299 - Send a note on member about tpac attendance [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-03-27].
16:15:58 [aphillip]
action: addison: respond to TPAC survey to reserve us a room
16:15:59 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-300 - Respond to tpac survey to reserve us a room [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-03-27].
16:16:20 [aphillip]
agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "What time is this meeting at?" taken up [from aphillip]
16:16:43 [aphillip]
http://doodle.com/9nnds2bywyrgfpy8
16:22:58 [aphillip]
action-296: change the time to 1400Z
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Notes added to action-296 Navigate dst/summer time transition to keep call's time intact after dst change.
16:24:04 [aphillip]
agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Universal Acceptance of IDN TLDs, Deterministic Encoding, and other URL issues" taken up [from aphillip]
16:25:09 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:25:19 [aphillip]
richard: the URL spec seems to be of "looming importance"
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JcK: universal acceptance not a part of that
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... this started off to cover issues found by ICANN for IDNA TLDs
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... some did not work well
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... partially to do with input and exchange issues
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... but also because some were confusable
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... browsers adopted "confusion reduction" things
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... each browser was different
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... in some cases showing encoded form
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... or blocked, etc.
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... this made the domains "not work"
16:28:54 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:30:50 [aphillip]
richard: my understand was that this was about fact that IDNA doesn't work for stuff like email or certain forms
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... so not as useful to have an IDN address
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... came up in MLWW
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... expressing in terms of needing to get email and other things to support
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... small breakout
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... Don Hollander asked to spead at next MLWW in Madrid
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... and others interested will be there
16:35:05 [aphillip]
richard: may not have direct role in solving, but we should probably facilitate them working on it?
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JcK: may just require patience
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addison: keep eye on and encourge interested parties to "chat amoungst themselves"
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addison: deterministic encoding?
16:37:46 [aphillip]
Martin chimed in: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Mar/0015.html
16:38:27 [aphillip]
richard: always been a bit of an issue with sending data in a URL
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... such as "get"
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... can't tell what the character encoding of the bytes in the URL is
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... Microsoft proposes adding an extra HTTP header field to indicate the encoding
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addison: up to the query part
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... it's UTF-8
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JcK: URLs encoded in one encoding and then embedded into text in another encoding
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matial: something else to MSFT's proposal
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.. anxious to keep compatible with existing stuff
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... when you don't have new headers the servers keep existing behavior
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... but if we standardize on UTF-8 can't be both
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... if queries are UTF-8 in future, that breaks existing servers
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h4p://tools.ie:.org/id/dra<-­‐montenegro-­‐h4pbis-­‐uri-­‐encoding/
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add to review radar
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addison: seek community comment but only after we review
16:52:39 [r12a]
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft%E2%80%90montenegro-httpbis-uri-encoding/
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http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-montenegro-httpbis-uri-encoding/
16:53:04 [aphillip]
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-montenegro-httpbis-uri-encoding-00.txt
16:55:43 [aphillip]
richard: should track url spec and participate as needed
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addison: add URL spec to review
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agenda?
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Topic: AOB?
16:57:54 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:58:06 [aphillip]
richard: published the article on encoding
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... hope to publish the other two on Monday
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... last chance to comment
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... please to hurry
16:58:51 [Zakim]
-JcK
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-aphillip
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-koji
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-matial
16:59:00 [r12a]
zakim, drop richard
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Richard is being disconnected
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rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:01 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:59:02 [Zakim]
I18N_CoreWG()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were aphillip, Richard, matial, koji, JcK
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Present: Addison, Richard, Mati, Koji, JcK
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rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:01 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip