13:33:36 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:33:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-dap-irc 13:33:38 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:33:38 Zakim has joined #dap 13:33:40 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:33:40 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes 13:33:41 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 13:33:41 Date: 20 March 2014 13:53:23 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/0008.html 13:54:59 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279l; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/0008.html 13:55:16 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/0008.html 13:55:46 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 13:55:56 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 13:56:12 ScribeNick: fjh 13:56:26 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, announcements 13:58:29 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 13:58:34 +[IPcaller] 13:58:36 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:58:36 +fjh; got it 13:59:56 +??P7 14:00:06 Present+ Mats_Wichmann 14:00:21 Zakim, ??P7 is mats 14:00:21 +mats; got it 14:00:38 gmandyam has joined #dap 14:00:43 +gmandyam 14:01:08 Cathy has joined #dap 14:01:28 Present+ Giri_Mandyam, Cathy_Chan 14:01:31 +Lisa_DeLuca 14:01:59 LisaDeLuca_IBM has joined #dap 14:02:04 Present+ Lisa_DeLuca 14:02:13 Present+ Lisa_DeLuca 14:02:58 zakim, who is here? 14:02:58 On the phone I see fjh, mats, gmandyam, Lisa_DeLuca 14:03:00 On IRC I see LisaDeLuca_IBM, Cathy, gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mats, richt_, slightlyoff_, mounir, Josh_Soref, tobie__, trackbot 14:04:05 Alpha pubrules checker: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/0004.html 14:04:28 RESOLUTION: Cancel 3 April 2014 teleconference 14:04:35 +Cathy 14:05:01 Topic: Minutes approval 14:05:09 Approve minutes from 27 February 2014 14:05:10 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/att-0058/minutes-2014-02-27.html 14:05:18 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 27 February 2014 are approved 14:05:34 Topic: Network Information 14:05:43 CfC concluded, will shelve Network Information API specification, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/0003.html 14:05:59 Planning publication for 27 March - publication draft preparation needed 14:06:24 fjh: might delay this publication for a week so that we can properly reference the use cases document being published as a W3C Note on 27 March 14:06:36 fjh: simpler than working on simultaneous publication, no rush here 14:06:56 Topic: HTML Media Capture Testing 14:07:06 Test pull request proposal, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/0005.html 14:07:06 Review Security and Privacy considerations section - how to handle generally in test reports/tool 14:09:22 http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-html-media-capture-20130509/ 14:10:02 fjh: the tests look reasonable as noted in my email, the issue is with the nature of security/privacy considerations due to need for flexibility with regards to implementations and some higher level or non testable guidance 14:10:19 fjh: extract from document 14:10:19 The user agent should not enable any device for media capture, such as a microphone or camera, until a user interaction giving implicit consent is completed. A user agent should also provide an indication when such an input device is enabled and make it possible to terminate such capture. Similarly, the user agent should allow the user: 14:10:20 to select the exact media capture device to be used if there exists multiple devices of the same type (e.g. a front-facing camera in addition to a primary camera). 14:10:21 to disable sound capture when in the video capture mode. 14:10:22 This specification builds upon the security and privacy protections provided by the [HTML5] and the [FILE-API] specifications; in particular, it is expected that any offer to start capturing content from the user’s device would require a specific user interaction on an HTML element that is entirely controlled by the user agent. 14:10:23 Implementors should take care of additional leakage of privacy-sensitive data from captured media. For instance, embedding the user’s location in a captured media metadata (e.g. EXIF) might transmit more private data than the user might be expecting. 14:12:13 fjh: perhaps we should add sentence to conformance section regarding fact that security/privacy considerations are hard to test, special case etc 14:12:25 action: fjh to draft proposal for conformance and testing related to security and privacy 14:12:25 Created ACTION-683 - Draft proposal for conformance and testing related to security and privacy [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-03-27]. 14:13:48 cathy: not an issue in other tests 14:14:08 fjh: right, light and proximity do not have any SHOULDs in security,privacy section and vibration has no security, privacy section 14:15:12 fjh: similar issue appears to be in network service discovery 14:15:30 cathy: suggest we update implementation report rather than conformance section 14:15:44 cathy: should check geolocation 14:17:56 fjh: yes, looking at geolocation they have musts in the security,privacy considerations section 14:18:14 fjh: also tests, but some pass by referencing the web site privacy policy it seems 14:18:23 http://www.w3.org/2008/geolocation/drafts/API/Implementation-Report.html 14:18:32 http://www.w3.org/TR/geolocation-API/ 14:19:00 fjh: so it looks like it is possible to go to REC with security and privacy normative requirements 14:19:11 fjh: we need to review the language in the spec some more, I'll take another look 14:19:31 fjh: geolocation also had conformance targets, web site and user agent 14:19:50 fjh: we might need for review roles as well 14:20:23 Topic: Other Testing 14:20:30 Updated test links on home page, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/0006.html 14:20:39 Pull request status summary : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0049.html 14:21:24 cathy: pull request from Lisa for battery status, comments from intel 14:21:38 cathy: that file is testing battery interface, so not right place for that test 14:22:32 cathy: so we should close that pull without accepting, and can say done with battery 14:22:39 cathy: that pull was a duplicate 14:23:23 action: dom to help close pull request #376 on batter, duplicate so does not need to be incorporate 14:23:23 Created ACTION-684 - Help close pull request #376 on batter, duplicate so does not need to be incorporate [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2014-03-27]. 14:24:07 Cordova update, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0059.html 14:24:19 fjh: what should this group do with regards to Cordova 14:25:02 lisa: we could use help knowing what needs to be done to align specs, jira issues say that they need to be aligned 14:25:47 note - we need to determine who can help with reviewing the various issues to note the differences 14:26:09 cathy: need to prioritize and work through the list 14:26:29 action: fjh to review priorities of cordova alignment 14:26:30 Created ACTION-685 - Review priorities of cordova alignment [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-03-27]. 14:26:39 s/cathy: need/lisa: need 14:26:59 lisa: we could arrange another call if needed 14:27:22 Topic: Network Service Discovery 14:28:10 fjh: defer until we have Rich 14:28:24 Topic: Meeting Scheduling 14:28:36 Update to alternative week schedule, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/0007.html 14:29:32 it was, but I'm fine with the change to alternate weeks 14:31:21 RESOLUTION: adopt meeting schedule in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Mar/0007.html 14:32:27 lgombos has joined #dap 14:33:11 Topic: Other Business 14:33:15 -Cathy 14:33:16 -gmandyam 14:33:17 -Lisa_DeLuca 14:33:20 -mats 14:34:06 fjh: we probably should work through one spec with a draft implementation report etc even though all testing isn't done, so we can test out the approach and make sure we are on track, then we can apply to others, hopefully ease process of getting to REC. 14:34:12 Topic: Adjourn 14:34:19 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:34:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:34:31 -fjh 14:34:32 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 14:34:32 Attendees were fjh, mats, gmandyam, Lisa_DeLuca, Cathy 14:43:38 correct 15:02:03 lgombos has joined #dap 16:05:38 richt has joined #dap 16:29:57 Zakim has left #dap 18:05:41 richt has joined #dap 19:05:38 richt has joined #dap 20:32:15 mats has joined #dap 20:44:59 richt has joined #dap 21:29:35 richt_ has joined #dap 21:32:08 richt_ has joined #dap 21:50:38 richt has joined #dap 22:14:12 richt has joined #dap