IRC log of wai-wcag on 2014-03-19
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 00:00:04 [AWK]
- AWK: the benefit for people using GitHub is that they can see results of their efforts more easily
- 00:00:18 [AWK]
- AWK: the refactoring lowers the barrier further
- 00:00:24 [AWK]
- LS: Is XML really a barrier?
- 00:00:44 [AWK]
- SAZ: some part is psychological
- 00:03:30 [AWK]
- GV: we're concerned about the time on MC and what else won't be able to be done
- 00:06:25 [AWK]
- LGR: Concerned about having a format that would be able to be serviced if MC not around
- 00:06:37 [AWK]
- MC: Format documentation is a concern, yes
- 00:09:33 [AWK]
- AWK: Will document the process for using current techniques with the XML
- 00:13:23 [MichaelC]
- agenda?
- 00:13:35 [MichaelC]
- zakim, take up item 7
- 00:13:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 7. "Criteria for techniques" taken up [from AWK]
- 00:13:43 [MichaelC]
- close item 3
- 00:13:47 [MichaelC]
- close item 4
- 00:13:51 [MichaelC]
- close item 6
- 00:15:06 [AWK]
- KHS: thinks that we need to be aware about not leaving people behind as we push new agendas
- 00:15:56 [AWK]
- GV: It isn't about whether we have the technique but whether it is sufficient or not
- 00:16:05 [jamesn]
- q+
- 00:17:27 [AWK]
- KHS: Wants to be able to say that some alternate version is supported for some period of time
- 00:17:30 [AWK]
- Q+SAZ
- 00:17:35 [AWK]
- ack jame
- 00:18:02 [AWK]
- JN: If it doesn't always fail then the failure needs to go or be modified
- 00:18:53 [AWK]
- GV: past criteria was if the technique worked in one free cross-platform browser then the technique was ok
- 00:22:26 [AWK]
- GV: and is the technique supported by enough AT
- 00:23:11 [AWK]
- AWK: and that's what we need for our techniques. Indicate the criteria and make sure that authors know that their needs may be greater than that
- 00:23:39 [Loretta]
- ack s
- 00:23:47 [Loretta]
- ack S
- 00:24:35 [AWK]
- SAZ: in wai-acc we were looking for examples of how aria-label was better than alt. couldn't find any
- 00:24:41 [AWK]
- GV and LS have ideas
- 00:24:48 [AWK]
- ack s
- 00:24:51 [AWK]
- queue?
- 00:25:45 [AWK]
- SAZ: Wilco on the wai-acc is working on looking at techniques. feedback to him is helpful
- 00:26:08 [AWK]
- GV: for ARIA we have less experience for testing
- 00:26:21 [AWK]
- SAZ: also authoring guidelines for writing test cases
- 00:27:47 [AWK]
- DMac: tangent but what about techniques for Word documents
- 00:28:24 [AWK]
- DM: people are posting PDF instead of Word because there are no Word techs
- 00:28:39 [AWK]
- LGR: That's a problem with their policy
- 00:29:55 [AWK]
- DM: Is there an opinion from WCAG that the documents are web content when posted on a web server?
- 00:31:09 [AWK]
- LGR: users don't care about distinction between accessible on web and desktop
- 00:31:28 [AWK]
- GV: that's a nice thing about the new rules from the access board - removes this distinction
- 00:34:57 [AWK]
- DM: groups don't think that they can post Word/Excel docs
- 00:38:09 [AWK]
- AWK: What configurations would work for a word doc with browser/AT?
- 00:40:26 [AWK]
- KW: Big question is "what is accessibility supported"?
- 00:43:35 [AWK]
- KW: people do look at techs and think "that must be accessibility supported"
- 00:43:49 [AWK]
- KW: not necessarily true though
- 00:44:24 [AWK]
- GV: goes back to what is the level of support for techniques
- 00:44:41 [AWK]
- LGR: and we are very english-focused in techniques
- 00:45:19 [AWK]
- LS: Israeli requirements leave out some AA
- 00:45:26 [AWK]
- JN: and add in some AAA
- 00:46:54 [AWK]
- KW: we need to help end users communicate about issues to AT vendors
- 00:48:31 [AWK]
- KW: get questions every day about accessibility supported question
- 00:49:03 [AWK]
- KW: testers always finding issues with browsers and AT
- 00:49:27 [AWK]
- SAZ: Acc support DB is still early phase but the results are suprising
- 00:50:26 [AWK]
- SAZ: how the support varies
- 00:50:49 [AWK]
- SAZ: hope that it succeeds so we can get better feedback to AT vendors and browsers
- 00:51:07 [AWK]
- queue?
- 00:51:51 [AWK]
- KW: gets into how much testing testers can reasonably do
- 00:54:10 [AWK]
- GV: Concept of AT push was previously discussed.
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