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16:53:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
16:53:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
16:53:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
16:53:41 <trackbot> Date: 17 March 2014
16:53:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
16:53:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
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16:58:39 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM has now started
16:58:46 <Zakim> + +1.415.624.aaaa
17:00:11 <Zakim> +[Apple]
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17:00:46 <Zakim> +??P7
17:00:51 <janina> zakim, ??P7 is me
17:00:51 <Zakim> +janina; got it
17:00:53 <Zakim> + +1.512.659.aabb
17:01:03 <jcraig> Zakim, whos is on the call?
17:01:03 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jcraig.
17:01:07 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, aaaa is Bryan_Garaventa
17:01:07 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa; got it
17:01:15 <jcraig> Zakim, why are you so pedantic?
17:01:15 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jcraig.
17:01:24 <jcraig> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:01:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bryan_Garaventa, [Apple], janina, +1.512.659.aabb
17:01:37 <jcraig> Zakim, Apple has jcraig
17:01:37 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
17:01:37 <Zakim> +jcraig; got it
17:01:37 <Zakim> ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
17:02:30 <jcraig> Zakim, aabb Susann_Keohane
17:02:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb Susann_Keohane', jcraig
17:02:43 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
17:02:59 <jcraig> Zakim, aabb is Susann_Keohane
17:02:59 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane; got it
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17:03:31 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
17:03:37 <jcraig> Zakim, aacc is Joanie_Diggs
17:03:37 <Zakim> +Joanie_Diggs; got it
17:03:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
17:04:01 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:04:21 <joanie> Zakim, Joanie_Diggs is me
17:04:21 <Zakim> +joanie; got it
17:04:42 <jcraig> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:04:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bryan_Garaventa, [Apple], janina, Susann_Keohane, James_Nurthen, joanie, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:04:44 <Zakim> [Apple] has jcraig
17:05:08 <bgaraventa1979> I'm on, sorry was muted
17:06:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Mar/0061.html
17:06:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:07:08 <clown> zakim, IPcaller is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:07:08 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:07:27 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:07:27 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:07:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/648
17:09:58 <jcraig> q+ to propose a W3C Note declaring how ARIA 1.0 role attribute can be used validly with epub-namespaced value tokens
17:10:48 <jcraig> q+ to e.g. role="epub:chapter region"
17:11:57 <jcraig> q+ to and after chapter was added, the epub value would be removed
17:12:01 <jcraig> ack me
17:12:01 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to propose a W3C Note declaring how ARIA 1.0 role attribute can be used validly with epub-namespaced value tokens and to e.g. role="epub:chapter region" and to
17:12:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:12:05 <Zakim> ... and after chapter was added, the epub value would be removed
17:12:39 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:13:05 <jcraig> e.g. role="epub:chapter region"
17:13:23 <janina> q+
17:13:46 <jcraig> role="chapter region"
17:14:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:15:29 <jcraig> q+
17:16:37 <jcraig> q-
17:16:43 <jcraig> ack jan
17:16:45 <jcraig> ack r
17:16:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> <section role="chapter">
17:17:49 <jcraig> role="epub-chapter region"
17:19:54 <jcraig> <section role="epub-chapter">
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17:28:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Joanie
17:28:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Rich
17:29:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: Expanding the role attribute value beyond ARIA
17:29:35 <jcraig> action: jcraig to write a W3C Note explaining how epub-prefixed roles can be used already in ARIA 1.0
17:29:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1401 - Write a w3c note explaining how epub-prefixed roles can be used already in aria 1.0 [on James Craig - due 2014-03-24].
17:30:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: James Craig to write a draft note describing process and methodology for providing new role values not yet in ARIA
17:30:35 <janina> scribe: janina
17:30:43 <clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Mar/0071.html
17:31:18 <janina> rs: Jon should be here when we discuss his suggestions ...
17:31:30 <janina> Topic Issue-523
17:31:46 <jcraig> Issue-523?
17:31:46 <trackbot> Issue-523 -- searchbox/searchfield role which is a subrole of textbox/textfield -- open
17:31:46 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/523
17:31:54 <janina> rs: Do we want role for searchbox (or search-field)?
17:31:58 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#search
17:31:59 <janina> jd: Yes
17:32:03 <janina> jc: Yes
17:32:40 <janina> rs: A good shortname?
17:33:05 <janina> jc: SearchField ... even if inconsistent with TextBox
17:33:21 <janina> jn: SearchText //
17:33:46 <janina> js: I hear the text of the string being searched for when I hear "Search Text"
17:33:58 <janina> js: Not the container where this is all going on
17:34:06 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#textbox
17:35:35 <Birkir> Greetings everyone. Unable to join by phone today due to inclement weather in the D.C area (and being at home with a lot of kids). I plan to become active and join every meeting starting with the next. Hope to see many of you at CSUN
17:35:37 <janina> jn: Plain text in HTML ...
17:35:52 <janina> jc: HTML has auto completes, so like combo
17:37:28 <janina> jc: Want "search field" to be more specific to intended behavior
17:38:59 <janina> jn: Apple and Google are type=text, not type=search
17:39:23 <janina> jc: Wonder if crossbrowser issue?
17:39:48 <janina> jc: Does IE render type=search appropriately?
17:39:52 <janina> [crickets]
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17:40:35 <janina> cs: Unsure
17:41:53 <janina> jc: Apple has type=combobox, plus all kinds of ARIA
17:42:20 <janina> cs: Bing is type=text, probably for legacy support
17:42:48 <clown> s/jc: Apple has type=combobox, plus all kinds of ARIA/clown: Apple has type=text, plus all kinds of ARIA, including role=combobox/
17:42:50 <janina> rs: Could have a popup of somekind
17:43:04 <janina> jc: developer.apple.com uses type=search, but no autocomplete
17:44:36 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
17:45:45 <janina> jc: Could consider whether combox should be determined on its attribs, not the role
17:47:44 <jcraig> type="search" exposed on AX API as AXRole = AXTextfield:AXSearchField
17:48:14 <jcraig> a combobox type="search" could be exposed on AX API as AXRole = AXComboBox:AXSearchField
17:48:51 <janina> rs: We could create a relationship? So to indicate combobox?
17:49:19 <janina> jc: Almost as what cyns calls patterns
17:49:37 <janina> jc: More tied to what this particular element supports
17:49:42 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:49:42 <janina> rs: Guess not a quickie!
17:49:58 <janina> rs: Table this to next week ...
17:51:12 <jcraig> s/Almost as what cyns calls patterns/Similar what cyns calls patterns, what IndieUI calls actions, and what we've referred to a behaviors. It's about what the element supports rather than the role./
17:51:20 <jcraig> issue-605?
17:51:20 <trackbot> issue-605 -- menuitem role does not allow use of aria-selected -- open
17:51:20 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/605
17:52:37 <janina> [Clarification that agenda is inaccurate -- we're not proposing removing selectability ]
17:52:49 <janina> zakim, bye
17:52:49 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.415.624.aaaa, janina, +1.512.659.aabb, Bryan_Garaventa, jcraig, James_Nurthen, Susann_Keohane, +1.603.882.aacc, Rich_Schwerdtfeger,
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17:52:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/17-aria-minutes.html janina
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