IRC log of html-a11y on 2014-03-13

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 2119

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 40 minutes ago

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 13 March 2014

14:40:59 [janina]

agenda?

14:41:17 [janina]

zakim, clear agenda

14:41:17 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

14:41:25 [janina]

Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference

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Chair: Janina

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agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List

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agenda+ March Meeting Schedule & Additional Clock Adjustments

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agenda+ HTML-WG & Web Apps F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-04-Agenda

14:41:33 [janina]

agenda+ Reviving and Expanding Media Subteam http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Feb/0049.html

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agenda+ Longdesc Update [See Below]

14:41:39 [janina]

agenda+ Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps [See Below]

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agenda+ Alt Guidance & Next Steps [See Below]

14:41:44 [janina]

agenda+ Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [see below]

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agenda+ Other Business

14:41:49 [janina]

agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List

14:41:52 [janina]

agenda+ be done

14:52:24 [janina]

zakim, next item

14:52:24 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "March Meeting Schedule & Additional Clock Adjustments" taken up [from janina]

14:52:34 [janina]

zakim, take up item 1

14:52:34 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]

14:55:03 [MarkS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:55:03 [Zakim]

apparently WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM has ended, MarkS

14:55:05 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, janina, SteveF, Zakim, cabanier, hober, MarkS, trackbot

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14:55:17 [janina]

regrets: Adrian_Roselli

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zakim, call janina

14:58:03 [Zakim]

ok, janina; the call is being made

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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started

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+Janina

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+Mark_Sadecki

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+Judy

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+Cynthia_Shelly

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scribe: MarkS

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zakim, take up next item

15:07:00 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "March Meeting Schedule & Additional Clock Adjustments" taken up [from janina]

15:07:16 [MarkS]

JS: propose we skip next week with the CSUN conference taking place.

15:10:28 [MarkS]

...assuming that today's low attendance may be due to time change.

15:10:40 [MarkS]

[pinging various people]

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+John_Foliot

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zakim, take up next item

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agendum 3. "HTML-WG & Web Apps F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-04-Agenda" taken up [from janina]

15:12:36 [MarkS]

JS: Chaals has announced that he will not be able to attend HTML WG F2F

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...Mark will be there focusing on Canvas

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JB: Want to make sure that we are prepared for any issues that may be raised during the F2F in regards to a11y.

15:13:59 [MarkS]

JS: They will be clearing all the bugs. Zero issues and zero at risk items

15:14:20 [MarkS]

CS: They will not be clearing any 5.1 bugs. focus is on 5.0

15:14:48 [MarkS]

JB: have we done the comprehensive check? Should we do a walk through now?

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JS: Not sure what's at risk.

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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/CR/

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15:17:17 [MarkS]

Application Cache

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<dialog>

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<details> and <summary>

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<input type=color>

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<input type=datetime>, <input type=month>, <input type=week>, <input type=time>, <input type=datetime-local>

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<output>

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<style scoped>

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<iframe seamless>

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Custom scheme and content handlers (registerProtocolHandler and registerContentHandler)

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Outline algorithm

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UA mechanism for navigating to resources linked to in cite="", see Bug 18915 for more.

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CS: no concerned about any of these

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Application Cache

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<dialog>

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<details> and <summary>

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<input type=color>

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<input type=datetime>, <input type=month>, <input type=week>, <input type=time>, <input type=datetime-local>

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<output>

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<style scoped>

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<iframe seamless>

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Custom scheme and content handlers (registerProtocolHandler and registerContentHandler)

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Outline algorithm

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UA mechanism for navigating to resources linked to in cite="", see Bug 18915 for more.

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JF: A little concerned about details and summary

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MS: Steve has been discussing the outline algorithm on the lists

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JF: It's fantasy at this point

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JS: It's not gonna happen if there are no implementations.

15:21:47 [MarkS]

MS: details and summary

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JS: we will have that covered in aria soon.

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JF: we were using that as a solution for the removal of the summary attribute on tables

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CS: have that well covered with aria-describedby and aria-label, etc.

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...think we should make it a work item for 5.1

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JB: We don't have a list for keeping these on our radar.

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s/list/workflow

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JS: we have a 5.1 list.

15:24:36 [MarkS]

...its linked in the agenda. probably need to update it and look at it more frequently

15:25:49 [MarkS]

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/open

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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=HTML5%20spec&keywords=CR%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=33558&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced

15:34:24 [MarkS]

agenda?

15:35:16 [MarkS]

zakim, take up next item

15:35:16 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Reviving and Expanding Media Subteam http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Feb/0049.html" taken up [from janina]

15:35:28 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/media-a11y-tf-2/

15:36:26 [MarkS]

Open for 7 days after CSUN so any interested members have time to fill out the survey

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-Judy

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+Judy

15:38:57 [MarkS]

JB: should we send around timezone links since the dates in the survey are only good for 2 weeks?

15:40:16 [MarkS]

MS: I will send around links to timeanddate.com that are adjusted to the future dates, not the dates in this 2 week period

15:40:21 [MarkS]

zakim, take up next item

15:40:21 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Longdesc Update" taken up [from See Below]

15:41:02 [MarkS]

zakim, take up next item

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agendum 5 was just opened, MarkS

15:41:07 [MarkS]

zakim, close item 5

15:41:07 [Zakim]

agendum 5, Longdesc Update, closed

15:41:08 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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6. Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps [from See Below via janina]

15:41:11 [MarkS]

zakim, take up next item

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agendum 6. "Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps" taken up [from See Below]

15:41:33 [MarkS]

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/html5_canvas_CR/#hit-regions

15:45:08 [MarkS]

zakim, take up next item

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agendum 7. "Alt Guidance & Next Steps" taken up [from See Below]

15:46:49 [MarkS]

JS: Steve will be giving us an update at CSUN. HTML chairs are expecting it.

15:46:56 [MarkS]

zakim, close item 7

15:46:56 [Zakim]

agendum 7, Alt Guidance & Next Steps, closed

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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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8. Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [from see below via janina]

15:47:01 [MarkS]

zakim, take up next item

15:47:01 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF" taken up [from see below]

15:48:35 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Current_Bug_Triage_Issues

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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13129

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JF: summary attribute is obsolete. went to a vote.

15:51:39 [MarkS]

JS: weren't we promised that details and summary would cover this use case?

15:51:53 [MarkS]

... and now that is at risk...

15:52:40 [MarkS]

JB: assuming we are talking about 5.1 here. We can't make enough progress on this.

15:52:57 [MarkS]

s/this./this in reasonable time.

15:53:28 [MarkS]

...is there an angle we can pursue in 5.1 for this?

15:53:43 [Judy]

q?

15:53:58 [MarkS]

JF: the argument against summary was the same they used against longdesc, hidden metatdata.

15:54:52 [MarkS]

...the fact that details/summary is at risk means we probably need to follow up with this in 5.1 or we reverse the decision to remove summary attribute and propose an extension spec

15:55:16 [MarkS]

JS: we should go back in read the decision. it would be easy to put summary back in. going back into LC is a good time to do that.

15:55:47 [MarkS]

...I am personally not for putting summary back in, since we have good coverage by aria. But we do have options.

15:56:18 [Judy]

q+

15:56:49 [MarkS]

CS: If you're going to do something, an extension spec would be the way to do it. This bug isn't about that though. Its about accessible tables.

15:57:01 [JF]

ack cyn

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ack judy

15:58:29 [MarkS]

JB: the F2F could be a good time to address this with the WG.

15:58:51 [MarkS]

JF: all of those interested in this will be at CSUN. Should we have a sit down and talk about this?

15:59:45 [MarkS]

...could talk about this at the WCAG F2F

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...look for techniques

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JS: implementations are still there

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CS: John, can you put something together?

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-John_Foliot

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-Cynthia_Shelly

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-Judy

16:01:07 [MarkS]

JF: yes, probably a working breakfast, maybe thursday

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-Janina

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-Mark_Sadecki

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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Janina, Mark_Sadecki, Judy, Cynthia_Shelly, John_Foliot

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rrsagent, make minutes

16:01:50 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/13-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS

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