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14:24:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:24:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:24:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:24:50 <trackbot> Date: 12 March 2014
14:26:59 <shadi> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
14:26:59 <shadi> Agenda+ Update next topic - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/53 [markku]
14:26:59 <shadi> Agenda+ Metrics Note https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/47 [shadi]
14:26:59 <shadi> Agenda+ Mobile Note https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/48 [shadi]
14:27:00 <shadi> Agenda+ Site Text Creation https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/38 [shadi]
14:27:00 <shadi> Agenda+ Look and Feel https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/45 [shadi]
14:27:01 <shadi> Agenda+ Upcoming catalogue topics https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/52 [klaus]
14:27:03 <shadi> Agenda+ Accreditation Cat Topic https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/56 [vivienne]
14:27:05 <shadi> Agenda+ TPAC 27-31 October 2014, Santa Clara, http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ [sharper]
14:27:07 <shadi> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic [sharper]
14:27:09 <shadi> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Catalogue Topic [sharper]
14:27:11 <shadi> Agenda+ STANDING - Any Other Business [sharper]
14:27:20 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:27:20 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:27:21 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()10:30AM has now started
14:27:22 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:27:55 <Peter_Thiessen> Peter_Thiessen has joined #rd
14:30:09 <annika> annika has joined #rd
14:30:44 <Yehya> Yehya has joined #rd
14:31:10 <Zakim> +[FIT]
14:31:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:31:57 <Justin> Justin has joined #rd
14:32:08 <Yehya> zakim, [FIT] is me
14:32:08 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
14:32:21 <Zakim> +??P6
14:32:51 <annika> zakim, ??P6 is me
14:32:51 <Zakim> +annika; got it
14:33:09 <Justin> zakim, ??P6 is me
14:33:09 <Zakim> I already had ??P6 as annika, Justin
14:33:16 <Justin> oops
14:33:39 <markel> markel has joined #rd
14:34:03 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:34:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, Yehya, [IPcaller], annika
14:34:09 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:34:09 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:34:13 <Peter_Thiessen> (trying to connect)
14:34:23 <Zakim> +??P8
14:34:38 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is Justin
14:34:38 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
14:34:42 <christos> christos has joined #rd
14:34:44 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:34:44 <Zakim> sorry, Peter_Thiessen, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
14:34:49 <Justin> zakin, ipcaller is me
14:34:55 <Justin> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:34:55 <Zakim> sorry, Justin, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'
14:34:58 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, P8 is me
14:34:58 <Zakim> sorry, Peter_Thiessen, I do not recognize a party named 'P8'
14:35:04 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, ??P8 is me
14:35:04 <Zakim> +Peter_Thiessen; got it
14:35:08 <Zakim> +??P7
14:35:09 <Peter_Thiessen> success! \o/
14:35:25 <Peter_Thiessen> sure :)
14:35:30 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, mute me
14:35:30 <Zakim> Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
14:36:00 <Zakim> +??P9
14:36:14 <christos> zakim, ??P9 is me
14:36:14 <Zakim> +christos; got it
14:36:14 <markel> zakim, ??P7 is me
14:36:15 <Zakim> +markel; got it
14:37:03 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
14:37:12 <markel> :-)
14:37:13 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: christos (78%)
14:37:23 <shadi> scribe: christos
14:37:24 <Justin> its like scribe roulette
14:37:29 <markel> LOL
14:37:41 <Justin> ...or loses
14:38:03 <shadi> agenda?
14:38:28 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 1
14:38:28 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), dropped
14:38:36 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:38:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Update next topic - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/53" taken up [from markku]
14:39:01 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2014Mar/0017.html
14:39:12 <shadi> I will be updating the Wiki with a draft CFP before heading to CSUN next week.
14:39:50 <markel> :-(
14:40:00 <Peter_Thiessen> :-(
14:40:05 <Peter_Thiessen> :)
14:40:14 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:40:14 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Upcoming catalogue topics https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/52" taken up [from klaus via shadi]
14:41:03 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Virtual_Reality_Technologies
14:41:16 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Augmented_Reality_/_Internet_of_Things
14:41:37 <christos> shadi: let' go throught the topics quickly to discuss
14:41:57 <markel> fine
14:41:58 <annika> +1
14:41:59 <Peter_Thiessen> sure
14:42:04 <Justin> +1
14:42:05 <Yehya> +1
14:42:20 <shadi> [[Virtual Reality usually refers to a simplistic, artificially created computer aided reproduction of a real world or real world like scene. Virtual reality allows a practical technology for clinical medicine, psychiatry, surgical planning and telemedicine amongst others. VR offers the creation of controlled and dynamical 3D scenes which allows the recording and measurement of behavioral response of the user. The outcome can be used for various means of assessment, f
14:42:20 <shadi> or rehabilitation and for training.]]
14:42:54 <Peter_Thiessen> +1
14:44:10 <annika> "Virtual reality allows a practical technology for clinical medicine,  psychiatry, surgical planning and telemedicine amongst others." This sentence is very much focused on medical applications. Isn't this too narrow?
14:44:30 <Yehya> done.
14:44:32 <Peter_Thiessen> good
14:44:48 <annika> zakim, unmute me
14:44:48 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
14:44:55 <markel> +q
14:45:15 <Yehya> q+
14:45:16 <christos> annika: I think the description is too much focusesd on medical applications...
14:45:28 <shadi> ack markel
14:45:42 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:45:42 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:46:37 <christos> markel: first impression... there are two things ... one is virtual relity  and one is virtual world
14:46:42 <markel>  electronic edition @ acm.org
14:46:55 <markel> http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1414471.1414504
14:47:13 <christos> makel: there's a paper that describes an accessible virtual world
14:47:31 <christos> markel: they might be interesting resources to use to that report
14:48:28 <christos> shadi: I agree with annika and markel that it probably is too focused on medical applicaitons
14:48:36 <shadi> ack yeh
14:48:52 <markel> it seems that VR is for rehabilitation purposes, that's why is focused
14:49:11 <christos> yehya: I think it is very relevant to e-learning too ... many learning environments use virtual worlds
14:49:30 <markel> This is the other reference I was missing: "Enabling the blind in virtual worlds".
14:49:38 <markel> http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1805986.1806016
14:49:43 <Peter_Thiessen> q+
14:49:50 <christos> yehya: user modelling is also relevant for eveluation of products through virtual users
14:50:28 <christos> shadi: sooner or later there will be overlap and relations from one topic to other..
14:50:32 <shadi> ack peter
14:50:33 <Peter_Thiessen> ack me
14:50:37 <Zakim> -Justin
14:50:39 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, ack me
14:50:39 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:51:18 <christos> peter: I agree that ti could be more generalised and link to other thing apart from medical applications
14:51:22 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, mute me
14:51:22 <Zakim> Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
14:51:27 <Peter_Thiessen> yup :)
14:52:05 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Augmented_Reality_/_Internet_of_Things
14:53:04 <Yehya> Augmented Reality  and Internet of Things are two separate topics, which may relate to each other
14:54:04 <christos> q+
14:55:05 <shadi> Even blind people can benefit from augmented reality -> Also blind people can benefit from augmented reality
14:55:12 <shadi> ack christos
14:55:13 <annika> q+
14:56:31 <Yehya> Internet of Things is more likely related  to Ambient Assisted Living (AAL)
14:56:35 <christos> christos: I cannot see much of the connection with internet of things in the text
14:57:09 <christos> shadi: I agree... there might connections but not on the text
14:57:14 <annika> zakim, ack me
14:57:14 <Zakim> unmuting annika
14:57:16 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
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14:58:06 <christos> annika: on the virtual reality... I pointed out 2 views... one is how to make the current technology accessble
14:58:23 <christos> annika: and the other how this technology canhelp people with disabilities
14:58:29 <christos> q+
14:59:26 <christos> q-
14:59:49 <christos> shadi: we could suggest this to other subjects too...
15:00:13 <christos> shadi: it might not be applicable to all subjects
15:00:40 <christos> annika: yes it applies more to technology related topics
15:01:01 <christos> annika: maybe we could relate more to web
15:01:04 <christos> q+
15:01:41 <markel> but the interface on the glass might be web based
15:01:45 <christos> shadi: there is a connection between them and the web
15:02:34 <annika> zakim, mute me
15:02:34 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
15:03:34 <markel> q+
15:03:50 <shadi> ack christos
15:03:56 <christos> christos: agree with shadi... we have to think for the web in the future
15:03:58 <Yehya> q+
15:04:05 <shadi> ack markel
15:04:27 <christos> markel: many of the challnges for the web are also common for other technologies  tooo
15:04:35 <shadi> ack yehya
15:05:06 <christos> yehya: are we talking about internet of thigns or web of things?...
15:05:40 <christos> shadi: the difference is the same as internet and web...
15:06:07 <christos> yehya:... the diffrence is the same as the traditional internet and web
15:06:39 <christos> shadi: and even the services can be based on other protocols other than the web
15:07:35 <christos> markel: we cannot understand now what technology we are using... native or web...
15:07:56 <christos> shadi: yes adn even more apps are now going to a hybrid approach
15:09:06 <annika> Here is an additional reference for this part: "information represented in written language can be communicated in a for the user more natural way, like sign language" : http://embots.dfki.de/publications.html
15:10:10 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:10:13 <Zakim> agendum 9. "TPAC 27-31 October 2014, Santa Clara, http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/" taken up [from sharper via shadi]
15:10:41 <christos> shadi: just a reminder... w3c orgnises a technical plenary every year
15:11:02 <christos> shadi: gathering as many people as we can from different WG
15:11:36 <christos> shadi: this year it will be in Santa Clara
15:12:03 <christos> shadi: there moght be an opportunity for us to arrange a meeting there...
15:12:12 <christos> might*
15:12:48 <christos> shadi: have a look and next week we can discuss more...
15:13:21 <annika> Zakim, unmute me
15:13:21 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
15:13:24 <Peter_Thiessen> nope but sounds really fun!
15:14:17 <Peter_Thiessen> Thanks Shadi - cheers all :-)
15:14:44 <Zakim> -Yehya
15:14:45 <Zakim> -Peter_Thiessen
15:14:46 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:14:46 <Zakim> -markel
15:14:46 <Zakim> -annika
15:14:48 <Zakim> -christos
15:14:49 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()10:30AM has ended
15:14:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Yehya, annika, Justin, Peter_Thiessen, christos, markel
15:22:18 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:22:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:22:18 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:22:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:22:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/12-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:22:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:22:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items