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14:59:58 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3825
14:59:58 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
14:59:59 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
14:59:59 <trackbot> Date: 06 March 2014
15:00:43 <MartijnHoutepen> agenda+ welcome
15:00:52 <MartijnHoutepen> agenda+ test-run
15:01:03 <MartijnHoutepen> agenda+ DoC
15:01:11 <Liz> Liz has joined #eval
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15:01:14 <MartijnHoutepen> agenda+ F2F
15:01:18 <EricVelleman> Having difficulty joining
15:01:25 <MartijnHoutepen> agenda+ other issues
15:01:46 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has now started
15:01:53 <Zakim> +Liz
15:01:54 <MartijnHoutepen> I just started Zakim, if you tried it earlier it wasnt possible to join
15:01:59 <Zakim> +Mike_Elledge
15:02:22 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
15:02:30 <Zakim> +MartijnHoutepen
15:02:33 <EricVelleman> could somebody start the telco, I am looking for a telephone that works
15:02:39 <EricVelleman> Martijn?
15:02:42 <MartijnHoutepen> ok
15:03:20 <Kathy> Eric - did you use +1.617.761.6200 The pin/code for this meeting is: 3825
15:03:38 <Kathy> I had problems but I just let it keep ringing and I finally got in
15:04:57 <MartijnHoutepen> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/minutes
15:06:25 <MartijnHoutepen> zakim, take up next
15:06:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "welcome" taken up [from MartijnHoutepen]
15:06:33 <MartijnHoutepen> agenda?
15:06:58 <MartijnHoutepen> zakim, take up next
15:06:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, MartijnHoutepen
15:07:38 <Vivienne> Vivienne has joined #eval
15:08:05 <Zakim> + +31.65.127.aaaa
15:08:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:08:23 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:08:23 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
15:08:27 <EricVelleman> aaaa is me
15:08:44 <EricVelleman> Zekim, aaaa is me
15:08:55 <EricVelleman> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:08:55 <Zakim> +EricVelleman; got it
15:09:31 <MartijnHoutepen> zakim, take up next
15:09:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "test-run" taken up [from MartijnHoutepen]
15:09:43 <MartijnHoutepen> chair: EricVelleman
15:09:53 <MartijnHoutepen> scribe: MartijnHoutepen
15:10:28 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: some last minute remarks, added an 'all pages' field, and did some editorial changes
15:10:36 <Kathy> q+
15:10:44 <MartijnHoutepen> ack kathy
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15:12:49 <MartijnHoutepen> KW: there's an accessibility problem in the survey for people using screen magnifying software
15:13:05 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: we'll look in to that
15:13:19 <Zakim> +Detlev
15:13:37 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, mute me
15:13:37 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
15:13:53 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
15:13:53 <Zakim> Kathy_Wahlbin should now be muted
15:14:36 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: we have to choose a website
15:14:55 <Detlev> q+
15:15:17 <Detlev> ack me
15:15:39 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: will we do just one website? or more?
15:16:10 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: suggested a website as well
15:16:31 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:16:31 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
15:18:24 <Liz> q+
15:18:34 <MartijnHoutepen> q+
15:18:41 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
15:18:54 <MartijnHoutepen> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/27-eval-minutes
15:23:36 <Kathy> q+
15:24:16 <MartijnHoutepen> q+
15:26:59 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: more website give us a better view of the methodology
15:27:11 <MartijnHoutepen> Liz: agree with DF
15:27:30 <Kathy> ack me
15:27:36 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: Its a lot of work, don't know if we can ask that of people
15:27:41 <MartijnHoutepen> q- liz
15:27:50 <Detlev> q+
15:28:04 <MartijnHoutepen> KW: good to test it on different websites, different types of websites
15:28:37 <MartijnHoutepen> KW: this will be one of the critiques we will get : we tested it on too similar sites
15:29:05 <MartijnHoutepen> KW: share concern with number of people who will do a total evaluation
15:30:17 <Kathy> q+
15:31:54 <MartijnHoutepen> MH: scared that not to many people do the same site
15:31:56 <MartijnHoutepen> q-
15:32:03 <MartijnHoutepen> q- De
15:32:48 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: if we open it up, people can include the evaluating they are doing at the moment
15:33:14 <Kathy> q-
15:33:22 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: most important to ask the community for websites, to get a broader view
15:34:00 <MartijnHoutepen> KW: agree with DF, but we need a disclaimer that the data will become public
15:34:20 <MartijnHoutepen> KW: make a note that partial info is also welcome
15:35:12 <Detlev> q+
15:35:27 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: keeping it at level A will decrease the effort people have to give, increase chance to get feedback
15:35:49 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: group decided to do AA
15:35:52 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
15:35:52 <Zakim> Kathy_Wahlbin should now be muted
15:36:25 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: make an open call asking people to nominate websites
15:36:32 <Vivienne> sorry guys I have to go now
15:37:34 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: we can tell people that we don't need people to expect to do total evaluation, but make an emphasis on the feedback on the methodology
15:38:06 <EricVelleman> sorry, phone stopped, dialing in again..
15:38:09 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:38:40 <Zakim> +EricVelleman.a
15:39:23 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: i expect lots of people to volunteer their website for evaluation
15:39:42 <Mike_Elledge> q+
15:39:53 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: we don't need a lot, but more variation then we have now, and we need more testers
15:40:05 <MartijnHoutepen> q- Det
15:40:47 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: we can start with the sites we have, and need to make a open call for more sites
15:41:17 <MartijnHoutepen> ME: agree with MH, we should ask people to do one site, use that feedback on maybe a next site
15:42:03 <MartijnHoutepen> ME: most valuable for us is if we use one or two sites
15:42:07 <Detlev> I meant more importantly: mor testers =more problems people may encounter using WCAG EM
15:42:38 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: we need more testers
15:43:30 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: we need to discuss this in a next telco, but i'd like to start the survey
15:43:40 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: right now
15:44:42 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: agree, starting now is ok to hurry up proces, but like to include more testers
15:45:47 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: proposal : Start with the 3 websites we have?
15:46:12 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: consensus was starting with one, adding more later
15:46:28 <MartijnHoutepen> q+
15:46:33 <MartijnHoutepen> q- mi
15:47:57 <MartijnHoutepen> MH: let's start with one, the sooner we get results the better
15:48:39 <Detlev> fine
15:48:45 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: or we could do a two-way rocket: first one of our 'own', after that make it more open.
15:48:47 <Detlev> Can we also agree that we have a second public call for evaluation soon?
15:48:48 <MartijnHoutepen> +1
15:48:49 <Liz> fine
15:49:21 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: talk about opening up the survey to include more website next week, start with one asap
15:49:23 <MartijnHoutepen> three
15:49:33 <Detlev> +1
15:49:44 <Liz> 4H
15:49:48 <MartijnHoutepen> 4h +1
15:49:52 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:50:00 <Detlev> I don't mind really
15:50:37 <MartijnHoutepen> ev: start with 4h , others we'll discuss next week
15:51:05 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: I'll make a scope suggestiong, please comment on that before monday morning
15:51:09 <Detlev> q+
15:51:09 <MartijnHoutepen> +1
15:51:13 <MartijnHoutepen> EV:q-
15:51:17 <Liz> +1
15:51:18 <MartijnHoutepen> q-
15:51:18 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:51:41 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: is this ok?
15:51:57 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: what feedback are you expecting?
15:52:24 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: i'll figure out a suggestion with sarah and mail it to the list
15:52:58 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: can you ask for consensus to add an open call ?
15:53:07 <Kathy> +1
15:53:12 <EricVelleman> +1
15:53:13 <Detlev> +1!!!
15:53:13 <MartijnHoutepen> +1
15:53:17 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:53:18 <Liz> +1
15:53:47 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: we'll discuss this next week, and i'll make a changed survey so we can discuss this
15:54:26 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: survey will be launched monday evening, i'll sort things out with shadi w3c
15:54:39 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: how long should we keep it open?
15:54:41 <Detlev> q+
15:54:53 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: proposal to keep it open to 10th april
15:55:19 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: is there a deadline for final publication?
15:55:50 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: last december.. we didn't make that
15:56:32 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: like to finish it
15:57:21 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: if necessary we can change it later
15:57:38 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: if we do an open call, we'll take longer to finish
15:57:53 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: to process everybody's results
15:57:59 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, take up next
15:57:59 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MartijnHoutepen
15:58:16 <Detlev> q-
15:58:19 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, take up next
15:58:19 <Zakim> agendum 3. "DoC" taken up [from MartijnHoutepen]
15:58:30 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, take up agendum 4
15:58:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "F2F" taken up [from MartijnHoutepen]
15:59:07 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: we have a preliminary agenda
15:59:25 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: no quorum there, so everything will be discussed in the group
15:59:35 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, take up next
15:59:35 <Zakim> agendum 3. "DoC" taken up [from MartijnHoutepen]
15:59:43 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, take agendum 5
15:59:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take agendum 5', MartijnHoutepen
15:59:49 <Liz> bye
15:59:50 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
15:59:52 <Kathy> bye
15:59:53 <Zakim> -Detlev
15:59:59 <Mike_Elledge> bye!
16:00:06 <MartijnHoutepen> trackbot, end meeting
16:00:06 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:00:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Liz, Mike_Elledge, Kathy_Wahlbin, MartijnHoutepen, +31.65.127.aaaa, Vivienne, EricVelleman, Detlev
16:00:09 <Zakim> -Liz
16:00:09 <Zakim> -Mike_Elledge
16:00:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/06-eval-minutes.html trackbot
16:00:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:00:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items