IRC log of pointerevents on 2014-03-04

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16:00:13 [Zakim]: +rbyers
16:00:29 [ArtB]: ScribeNick: ArtB
16:00:29 [ArtB]: Scribe: Art
16:00:29 [ArtB]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0138.html
16:00:29 [ArtB]: Chair: Art
16:00:29 [ArtB]: Meeting: Pointer Events WG Voice Conference
16:00:34 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft]
16:00:36 [Zakim]: +Patrick
16:00:48 [jrossi2]: Zakim, who's making noise?
16:00:59 [Zakim]: jrossi2, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Art_Barstow (35%), Patrick (14%)
16:01:17 [jrossi]: Zakim, Microsoft is jrossi
16:01:17 [Zakim]: +jrossi; got it
16:01:23 [patrick_h_lauke]: oh, interesting zakim functionality there
16:01:23 [ArtB]: Regrets: Sangwhan_Moon, Olli_Pettay
16:02:09 [ArtB]: Present: Art_Barstow, Patrick_Lauke, Rick_Byers, Jacob_Rossi
16:02:58 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft]
16:03:10 [ArtB]: Present+ Asir_Vedamuthu
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16:03:28 [ArtB]: Topic: Tweak agenda
16:03:37 [ArtB]: AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0138.html.
16:03:40 [ArtB]: AB: since then there has been a lot of bug activity. My inclination is to allocate some time for all of the bugs as a way to get "last chance" feedback. However, Bugs 24706 and 24777 were Resolved/Fixed via patches based on agreements made during our Feb 25 call so I propose we drop those two bug from the call.
16:04:11 [ArtB]: AB: any objections to dropping Bug 24706 and Bug 24777?
16:04:18 [Zakim]: +Matt_Brubeck
16:04:30 [ArtB]: Present+ Matt_Brubeck
16:04:49 [ArtB]: AB: yesterday Olli said Anne is still OOO so we won't discuss his comments at this call.
16:05:07 [ArtB]: AB: any other change requests?
16:05:24 [ArtB]: RB: can we move manipulation topic earlier today
16:05:32 [patrick_h_lauke]: ok with me
16:05:38 [ArtB]: AB: that's finewith me
16:05:59 [ArtB]: Topic: Add 'manipulation' touch-action property?
16:06:06 [ArtB]: AB: this Issue/Q was raised by Rick on Feb 25 and he proposed some new text http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0125.html. There was some followup by Patrick and Jacob.
16:06:20 [ArtB]: RB: IE has these additions
16:06:54 [ArtB]: … think we need to rethink what we want to spec
16:07:06 [ArtB]: … need something about click delay
16:07:16 [Zakim]: +Cathy
16:07:19 [ArtB]: … I proposed some wording that fits within the scope of the group (charter)
16:07:26 [ArtB]: … this would help with compat
16:07:31 [ArtB]: Present+ Cathy_Chan
16:07:40 [patrick_h_lauke]: +1 that click delay 300ms is a big pain point, and anything that can help alleviate it in a standardised way is a good thing
16:07:51 [ArtB]: RB: extra impl burden I think is smallish
16:07:52 [patrick_h_lauke]: removes special magic that UAs (particularly on mobile) do today
16:07:58 [ArtB]: MB: I agree with Rick
16:08:02 [ArtB]: … this is a good thing to add
16:08:17 [ArtB]: … there are some impl-specific semantics
16:08:46 [mbrubeck]: I like the proposal from Rick's mail that we spec it as "pan-x pan-y" plus (optional) implementation-specifiied behaviors.
16:08:51 [ArtB]: JR: I replied to this thread; think this is valuable
16:08:58 [ArtB]: … describe continuous zooming
16:09:12 [mbrubeck]: I'm fine with specifying "continuous zooming" too.
16:09:13 [ArtB]: … ok provided it doesn't hold up the spec
16:09:18 [ArtB]: … well understood property
16:09:39 [ArtB]: RB: you'd like some info from Mozilla re impl?
16:09:54 [ArtB]: JR: yes, that would be good and what Matt said is sufficient
16:10:00 [Zakim]: +Scott_Gonzalez
16:10:16 [ArtB]: … think we have enuf support to add this
16:10:32 [ArtB]: MB: need to double-check with Olli but we circulated this to Moz people
16:10:40 [ArtB]: … I don't think we'll get any objections
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16:11:18 [ArtB]: AV: what do you expect Chrome to support
16:11:32 [rbyers]: According to proposed definition of manipulation, it would be valid (and compatible) to implement it identically to 'auto'
16:11:35 [ArtB]: … (directed to Rick)
16:11:47 [ArtB]: RB: we are near branch point for Chrome 35
16:12:15 [ArtB]: … if we get manipulation into ED I can get it in impl in time for Chrome 35
16:12:28 [ArtB]: … need to get it into the spec
16:12:33 [ArtB]: JR: I can add this today
16:12:36 [ArtB]: RB: great
16:13:05 [ArtB]: RESOLUTION: we will add manipulation to the touch-action property
16:13:22 [ArtB]: ACTION: Jacob add manipulation to the touch-action property
16:13:22 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-86 - Add manipulation to the touch-action property [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-03-11].
16:13:41 [ArtB]: Topic: Bug 21749 : Setting a capture on an offshore element
16:13:49 [ArtB]: AB: This was created 2013-Apr-04 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21749 on behalf of Francois Remy. We discussed this during our 2014-Jan-07 call http://www.w3.org/2014/01/07-pointerevents-minutes.html#item02 and Jacob has Action-57 to make a proposal https://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/actions/57.
16:14:10 [ArtB]: AB: Jacob, what's the status of this?
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16:14:44 [ArtB]: JR: I still need to make a proposal; it's in my queue
16:15:03 [ArtB]: … will get to it shortly
16:15:19 [ArtB]: Topic: Bug 21951: [CR] pointermove dispatching when button state changes
16:15:28 [ArtB]: AB: Jacob Resolved/Fixed this bug on Feb 28 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21951 via patch https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/rev/a9862eea23f5 per the resolution on 2014-Jan-07 http://www.w3.org/2014/01/07-pointerevents-minutes.html#item03.
16:15:49 [ArtB]: AB: We'll talk about Asir's related e-mail about this bug separately, but first, are there any objections to Jacob's patch?
16:16:28 [ArtB]: SG: looks good to me
16:16:31 [patrick_h_lauke]: looks good to me
16:16:31 [ArtB]: RB: good to me
16:16:54 [ArtB]: Present+ Scott_González
16:17:05 [ArtB]: RESOLUTION: Jacob's fix for Bug 21951 is OK.
16:17:10 [ArtB]: AB: Asir proposed in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21951#c2 test assertions 5.4 and 5.5 be deleted since they "cannot be tested using the current test harness and cannot be run manually" https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_pointermove_events.
16:18:08 [ArtB]: AV: as we review assertions and test coverage, we discovered these two cannot be tested
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16:18:27 [ArtB]: RB: not sure why 5.4 can't be tested
16:18:42 [ArtB]: … can't change button state w/o changing the pointer
16:18:55 [ArtB]: JR: yes, I think you are correct Rick
16:19:02 [ArtB]: … a manual test here would be hard
16:19:28 [ArtB]: … There is a discussion by the WebDriver group about this general problem
16:19:51 [ArtB]: RB: yeah even if had a test, there is no API to check
16:20:58 [ArtB]: AB: does anyone object to strking 5.4 and 5.5?
16:21:06 [ArtB]: SG: we could move them to another section
16:21:28 [ArtB]: … so if/when WebDriver can handle these cases, we could consider creating tests
16:21:43 [mbrubeck]: "Awaiting harness improvements (or WebDriver)"
16:21:50 [ArtB]: … if we strike them, should add a note
16:21:58 [ArtB]: AV: we could add them to v2 list
16:22:13 [ArtB]: AB: so do both strike and add to v2 list
16:22:22 [patrick_h_lauke]: no objection
16:22:35 [ArtB]: AB: anyone object to striking these plus adding these to v2 list?
16:22:40 [ArtB]: [ None ]
16:23:12 [ArtB]: JR: would be good for people in this group to provide input for WebDriver
16:23:20 [ArtB]: … so they can handle our type of requirements
16:23:44 [ArtB]: … we have John Jansen
16:23:49 [ArtB]: RB: any one from Google?
16:24:03 [jrossi]: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webdriver/raw-file/default/webdriver-spec.html
16:24:03 [ArtB]: JR: this is the Browser Testing WG
16:25:08 [ArtB]: CC: what about 5.6 and 5.7?
16:25:22 [ArtB]: … does the same reasoning apply to these two assertions?
16:25:53 [ArtB]: RB: yes, they are the same
16:26:04 [ArtB]: AB: any different thoughts?
16:26:05 [ArtB]: SG: no
16:26:23 [ArtB]: AB: so we want to strike all 4 assertions?
16:26:27 [ArtB]: AV: yes
16:26:34 [ArtB]: AB: thanks Cathy
16:26:54 [ArtB]: RESOLUTION: strike test assertions 5.{4,5,6,7} and add them to the v2 list
16:27:13 [ArtB]: ACTION: asir strike test assertions 5.{4,5,6,7} and add them to the v2 list
16:27:14 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-87 - Strike test assertions 5.{4,5,6,7} and add them to the v2 list [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2014-03-11].
16:27:26 [ArtB]: Topic: Bug 24346: Clarifications on Pointer Events Types section
16:27:31 [ArtB]: AB: Jacob Resolved/Fixed Bug 24346 on Feb 25 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24346 as discussed on Feb 25 http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-pointerevents-minutes.html#item09.
16:27:46 [ArtB]: AB: Since then Patrick submitted some comments via the [["List of Pointer Events" table default actions]] thread; see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0132.html
16:28:26 [ArtB]: PL: think table still needs a clarification
16:28:45 [ArtB]: MB: the table lists the action that will be prevented if call preventDefault
16:28:57 [jrossi]: See Step 3 in: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html#mapping-for-devices-that-support-hover
16:28:59 [ArtB]: … if call it on pointerdown all compat mouse events will be prevented
16:29:12 [ArtB]: … there are some mouse events that aren't prevent-able
16:29:38 [ArtB]: PL: perhaps the header of table
16:30:09 [ArtB]: MB: could add a link to the text and section for canceling
16:30:15 [ArtB]: JR: I can change the table headings
16:30:27 [ArtB]: … think I just used headings from other DOM specs
16:30:36 [ArtB]: … could add a defn and have the header link to that
16:31:17 [ArtB]: PL: need to what happens when event is canceled
16:31:36 [ArtB]: JR: [ reads part of the spec … ]
16:31:45 [ArtB]: … could add a defn for defaultAction
16:31:54 [jrossi]: "cancelled eventAn event whose default action was prevented by means of preventDefault(), returning false in an event handler, or other means as defined by [DOM-LEVEL-3-EVENTS] and [HTML5]."
16:32:20 [ArtB]: MB: there's a diff between default action and defaultAction
16:32:31 [patrick_h_lauke]: so currently, table column "Default Action". Text in the column is "Varies: when the pointer is primary, all default actions of the mousedown event plus firing of compatibility mouse events". How about just adding a bit of text
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16:33:40 [ArtB]: AB: Patrick can you take this info and create a proposal?
16:34:04 [ArtB]: PL: [ makes a proposal … ]
16:34:12 [ArtB]: … I can do some wordsmithing
16:34:37 [ArtB]: ACTION: Patrick make a proposal for Bug 24346 (using discussion from 2014-Mar-04 call)
16:34:37 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-88 - Make a proposal for bug 24346 (using discussion from 2014-mar-04 call) [on Patrick Lauke - due 2014-03-11].
16:34:41 [patrick_h_lauke]: thx
16:34:57 [ArtB]: Topic: Bug 24772: releasePointerCapture() should fail if called from a node that doesn't currently capture the pointer
16:35:05 [ArtB]: AB: Jacob proposed text in the bug via comment #1 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24772#c1 as actioned on Feb 25 http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-pointerevents-minutes.html#item05.
16:35:18 [ArtB]: AB: any objections to Jacob's proposal?
16:35:37 [ArtB]: AB: looked ok to me
16:35:49 [ArtB]: RB: sounds good
16:35:57 [ArtB]: SG: so noop, no error?
16:35:58 [ArtB]: JR: yes
16:36:22 [ArtB]: RESOLUTION: group agrees with Jacob's proposal for Bug 24772
16:36:29 [ArtB]: ACTION: Jacob submit changeset for his proposed text for Bug 24772
16:36:29 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-89 - Submit changeset for his proposed text for bug 24772 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-03-11].
16:36:51 [ArtB]: Topic: Bug 24783: non-normative examples for event sequences to be added to end of 11.2
16:36:57 [ArtB]: AB: after the draft agenda was posted, Jacob Resolved/Fixed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24783 via patch https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/rev/0fc30a2b5dfe and then Patrick had some followup.
16:37:18 [ArtB]: AB: We'll discuss Patrick's editorial followup in a minute but first, any objections to Jacob's patch?
16:37:49 [ArtB]: JR: this is verbatim from what Patrick proposed
16:38:09 [ArtB]: PL: yes; the two minor comments are editorial nits
16:38:25 [patrick_h_lauke]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0148.html
16:38:25 [ArtB]: JR: oh, yes, I'll make those two changes
16:38:43 [ArtB]: AB: any objections to the patch + the 2 editorial nits?
16:38:49 [ArtB]: RB: LGTM
16:38:52 [ArtB]: PL: +1
16:39:31 [patrick_h_lauke]: oops
16:39:40 [ArtB]: RB: why are pointerenter and pointerleave not in the list?
16:39:45 [ArtB]: JR: that's an oversight
16:40:07 [ArtB]: AB: any objections to adding pointerenter and pointerleave?
16:40:12 [ArtB]: [ None ]
16:40:25 [patrick_h_lauke]: hah mbrubeck
16:40:41 [patrick_h_lauke]: save that for the touch events CG
16:40:42 [ArtB]: RESOLUTION: group agrees with Jacob's patch for Bug 24783 + add pointerenter and pointerleave + add PL's two editorial nits
16:41:15 [ArtB]: ACTION: Jacob update the spec for bug 24783 including discussion from 2014-Mar-04
16:41:15 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-90 - Update the spec for bug 24783 including discussion from 2014-mar-04 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-03-11].
16:41:27 [ArtB]: Topic: Bug 24784: ACTION-69: Create a proposal re informative note re pointerevent and touchevent compatibility
16:41:28 [patrick_h_lauke]: not unlike my 100s of tests, rick http://patrickhlauke.github.io/touch/
16:41:41 [ArtB]: AB: this bug had some additional activity yesterday between Patrick and Jacob https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24784.
16:41:48 [ArtB]: AB: I think what we want here is a relatively terse statement. Jacob's proposal https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24784#c1 meets that but I'd say Patrick's counter-proposal https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24784#c3 meets the ICanLiveWithItTest.
16:42:10 [ArtB]: JR: yes
16:42:36 [ArtB]: AB: any objections to adding PL's proposed text for 24784?
16:42:46 [ArtB]: RB: fine with me
16:43:03 [patrick_h_lauke]: i'll follow up at later point to add my thoughts to the touch events CG wiki
16:43:05 [ArtB]: RESOLUTION: group agrees with PL's proposed text for bug 24784
16:43:23 [ArtB]: ACTION: Jacob update the spec for bug 24784 per PL's proposal
16:43:23 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-91 - Update the spec for bug 24784 per pl's proposal [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-03-11].
16:43:36 [ArtB]: Topic: Bug 24786: Propose a non-normative note re the keyboard compat issue
16:43:47 [ArtB]: AB: Patrick has done quite a bit of research and added several comments to this bug and so far no one else has added any comments https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24786.
16:43:56 [ArtB]: AB: we discussed this on Feb 25 and the group was actioned to add their feedback to the bug http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-pointerevents-minutes.html#item11.
16:44:07 [ArtB]: AB: seems like we need a clear proposal we can review and comment #5 might have such a proposal https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24786#c5.
16:44:41 [patrick_h_lauke]: mind that the first part of https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24786#c5 is mainly for interest
16:44:48 [ArtB]: RB: I don't have an objection if UAs implement something like this
16:45:05 [ArtB]: … but need to separate that from designing things into the platform
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16:45:20 [ArtB]: … want the compatibility hacks at higher lever e.g. frameworks
16:45:28 [patrick_h_lauke]: ...or user agent behavior
16:45:37 [ArtB]: … don't want "surprising" behavior included in the platform
16:45:59 [patrick_h_lauke]: i actually agree with rick here
16:46:13 [ArtB]: … PL's proposal is good but need to separate that from platform requirements
16:46:30 [ArtB]: PL: agree with you Rick
16:46:52 [ArtB]: … think the end of comment #5 is the important part we want to capture
16:47:15 [ArtB]: … some more text is needed
16:48:07 [ArtB]: [ Scribe didn't capture comments from Rick … ]
16:48:34 [ArtB]: PL: should I use this feedback to create a new proposal?
16:48:40 [ArtB]: AB: sounds good
16:49:04 [ArtB]: ACTION: Patrick make a specific proposal for Bug 24786 per discussion on 2014-Mar-04
16:49:04 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-92 - Make a specific proposal for bug 24786 per discussion on 2014-mar-04 [on Patrick Lauke - due 2014-03-11].
16:49:21 [rbyers]: my main point was to emphasize using high-level APIs (focus, blur, click, etc.) wherever possible. When you must use low-level input events, be sure to support ALL types of input devices, including keyboards.
16:49:21 [ArtB]: PL: might want to block for feedback from Sangwhan
16:49:32 [ArtB]: … since one of his actions is related
16:49:35 [patrick_h_lauke]: https://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/actions/63
16:49:43 [ArtB]: … Action-63
16:49:47 [patrick_h_lauke]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0140.html
16:50:07 [ArtB]: PL: the Q is whether Action-63 is covered by my proposal
16:50:11 [ArtB]: RB: yes, I think so
16:50:58 [ArtB]: AB: how about after you make your proposal Patrick, we make sure Sangwhan is given a headsup and then address action-63 accordingly?
16:51:04 [ArtB]: PL: sounds good
16:51:17 [ArtB]: Topic: Bug 24894: Tweaks to 5.1.2 The Primary Pointer
16:51:25 [ArtB]: AB: after the draft agenda was posted, Jacob Resolved/Fixed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24894 via Jacob's patch https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/rev/b168701f0522.
16:51:34 [patrick_h_lauke]: LGTM
16:51:37 [ArtB]: AB: this was discussed on Feb 25 as "Slight softening of language in the note for 5.1.2" http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-pointerevents-minutes.html#item08.
16:51:47 [ArtB]: AB: any objections to this patch?
16:51:53 [ArtB]: PL: LGTM
16:52:07 [ArtB]: RB: LGTM
16:52:10 [ArtB]: AB: +1
16:52:18 [patrick_h_lauke]: :)
16:52:19 [ArtB]: RESOLUTION: group agrees with Jacob's patch for Bug 24894.
16:52:33 [patrick_h_lauke]: right, shooting off. thanks everybody
16:52:38 [ArtB]: Topic: Testing status
16:52:43 [ArtB]: AB: any new testing news (beyond Feb 25 http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-pointerevents-minutes.html#item12)?
16:53:48 [ArtB]: Topic: CR implementation updates
16:53:52 [ArtB]: AB: any new implementation news (beyond Feb 25 http://www.w3.org/2014/02/25-pointerevents-minutes.html#item13)?
16:53:54 [mbrubeck]: It is now possible to enable touch-action and pointer events in nightly builds of Firefox for Windows 8 Metro.
16:54:10 [ArtB]: AB: awesome!
16:54:12 [asir]: Very cool!!
16:54:27 [ArtB]: MB: portions of that also work on some other platforms
16:55:00 [mbrubeck]: Pointer Events (but not touch-action) can also be enabled in Firefox for desktop, and (I think) Firefox OS.
16:55:16 [rbyers]: Woot!
16:55:43 [ArtB]: RB: we are continuing to land touch-action patches
16:55:51 [ArtB]: … still on track for Chrome 35
16:55:59 [ArtB]: Topic: AoB
16:56:03 [ArtB]: AB: Any other Business for today?
16:56:09 [ArtB]: AB: I might have a conflict with this time on March 11 so a call that day is currently not likely
16:56:29 [ArtB]: AB: down to 4 bugs + Annes comments
16:56:41 [ArtB]: AB: anything else?
16:56:49 [ArtB]: AB: meeting adjourned
16:56:52 [Zakim]: -[Microsoft]
16:56:54 [Zakim]: -rbyers
16:56:57 [Zakim]: -Art_Barstow
16:56:58 [Zakim]: -jrossi
16:57:01 [Zakim]: -Scott_Gonzalez
16:57:03 [Zakim]: -Cathy
16:57:07 [Zakim]: -Matt_Brubeck
16:58:04 [ArtB]: RRSAgent, make minutes
16:58:04 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-pointerevents-minutes.html ArtB
16:58:11 [ArtB]: RRSAgent, make log Public
16:58:17 [ArtB]: RRSAgent, make minutes
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17:05:54 [ArtB]: zakim, bye
17:05:54 [Zakim]: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Art_Barstow, rbyers, Patrick, jrossi, [Microsoft], Matt_Brubeck, Cathy, Scott_Gonzalez
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17:05:59 [ArtB]: rrsagent, bye
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jacob add manipulation to the touch-action property [1]
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-pointerevents-irc#T16-13-22
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: asir strike test assertions 5.{4,5,6,7} and add them to the v2 list [2]
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-pointerevents-irc#T16-27-13
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Patrick make a proposal for Bug 24346 (using discussion from 2014-Mar-04 call) [3]
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-pointerevents-irc#T16-34-37
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jacob submit changeset for his proposed text for Bug 24772 [4]
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-pointerevents-irc#T16-36-29
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jacob update the spec for bug 24783 including discussion from 2014-Mar-04 [5]
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-pointerevents-irc#T16-41-15
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jacob update the spec for bug 24784 per PL's proposal [6]
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-pointerevents-irc#T16-43-23
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Patrick make a specific proposal for Bug 24786 per discussion on 2014-Mar-04 [7]
17:05:59 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-pointerevents-irc#T16-49-04