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16:37:09 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be WAI_CogTF
16:37:09 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 23 minutes
16:39:11 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ Set scribe
16:39:17 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Any new issues and  introductions
16:39:24 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ Review of work done  so far
16:39:36 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Technologies overview
16:39:43 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ Next steps and setting time
16:39:49 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ CSUN
16:39:56 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ Actions
16:40:01 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
16:41:25 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets debra_dahl,Mary Jo Mueller,Kinshuk
16:42:49 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: debra_dahl,Mary Jo Mueller,Kinshuk
16:52:50 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
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16:57:10 <ElleWaters> Apologies, everyone, but I am in a conference workshop and only able to participate via IRC today.
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16:59:56 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim,  +??P11 is me
16:59:56 <Zakim> sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11'
17:00:02 <Zakim> + +1.617.959.aabb
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17:00:14 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim,  P11 is me
17:00:14 <Zakim> sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I do not recognize a party named 'P11'
17:00:16 <janina> zakim, code?
17:00:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 2642 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
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17:00:47 <Zakim> + +1.508.856.aacc
17:00:53 <JF> zakim, who is here?
17:00:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P11, +44.203.618.aaaa, JF, [IPcaller], +1.617.959.aabb, +1.508.856.aacc
17:00:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see Michel_, JF, JohnRochford, karlgroves, ElleWaters, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, richardschwerdtfeger, janina, MichaelC
17:01:00 <Zakim> +??P44
17:01:07 <janina> zakim, ??P44 is me
17:01:07 <Zakim> +janina; got it
17:01:11 <NeilMilliken> NeilMilliken has joined #Coga
17:01:27 <janina> zakim, mute me
17:01:27 <Zakim> janina should now be muted
17:01:35 <JF> zakim, 1.508 is JohnRochford
17:01:35 <Zakim> sorry, JF, I do not recognize a party named '1.508'
17:01:44 <karlgroves> zakim [IPcaller] is me
17:02:01 <JF> zakim, aacc is JohnRochford
17:02:01 <Zakim> +JohnRochford; got it
17:02:04 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:02:22 <JF> zakim, aabb is MichelC
17:02:22 <Zakim> +MichelC; got it
17:02:34 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:02:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P11, +44.203.618.aaaa, JF, [IPcaller], MichelC, JohnRochford, janina (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:03:01 <Zakim> + +1.804.749.aadd
17:03:08 <JF> zakim, aaa is NeilMilliken
17:03:08 <Zakim> sorry, JF, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
17:03:11 <JF> scribeL JF
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17:03:35 <JF> zakim, aaaa is NeilMilliken
17:03:35 <Zakim> +NeilMilliken; got it
17:03:47 <JF> scribe: JF
17:03:52 <JF> zakim, first item
17:03:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'first item', JF
17:04:00 <JF> zakim, take up first item
17:04:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up first item', JF
17:04:08 <janina> zakim, unmute me
17:04:08 <Zakim> janina should no longer be muted
17:04:43 <janina> agenda?
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17:04:52 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
17:04:52 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Set scribe" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:04:57 <JF> zakim, take up item 2
17:04:57 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Any new issues and  introductions" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:05:03 <janina> zakim, close item 1
17:05:03 <Zakim> agendum 1, Set scribe, closed
17:05:04 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:05:04 <Zakim> 2. Any new issues and  introductions [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:05:27 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
17:05:30 <janina> zaim, mute me
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17:05:45 <JF> LS: some folks reporting having issues with the wiki
17:05:50 <JF> any other issues to discuss?
17:05:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
17:06:05 <JohnRochford> I have no issues to bring up.
17:06:18 <JF> zakim, who is here?
17:06:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P11, NeilMilliken, JF, [IPcaller], MichelC, JohnRochford, janina (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.804.749.aadd, Jim_Allan, [IPcaller.a]
17:06:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see allanj, Liddy, Ryladog, NeilMilliken, Michel_, JF, JohnRochford, karlgroves, ElleWaters, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, richardschwerdtfeger, janina, MichaelC
17:06:42 <NeilMilliken> I'd definitely like an overview of how to use the wiki
17:07:02 <JF> LS: is it worth scheduling some time to look at wik?
17:07:05 <JF> DR: yes
17:07:17 <JF> LS: perhaps look at a skype sesssion or equiv
17:07:18 <NeilMilliken> text is OK but tables and more advanced content is causing me to scratch my head.
17:07:18 <ElleWaters> Yes, please
17:07:20 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:07:25 <JohnRochford> Yes, please.
17:07:47 <Zakim> +??P0
17:08:01 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:08:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P11, NeilMilliken, JF, [IPcaller], MichelC, JohnRochford, janina (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.804.749.aadd, Jim_Allan, [IPcaller.a], Michael_Cooper (muted)
17:08:11 <JohnRochford> Lisa, I think you missed that Elle is interested as well.
17:08:14 <JF> zakim, aadd is Debra R
17:08:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aadd is Debra R', JF
17:08:27 <MichaelC> zakim, aadd is Debra_Ruh
17:08:27 <Zakim> +Debra_Ruh; got it
17:08:43 <JF> zakim, take up next item
17:08:43 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Review of work done  so far" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:08:53 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:09:09 <NeilMilliken> Should be good by then
17:09:15 <JF> LS: asking Neil to talk-through next week on discalcula
17:09:31 <JF> LS: heads up that I will be asking for other volunteers to do the same in the next weeks
17:09:38 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P11 is Lisa_Seeman
17:09:39 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
17:09:49 <JF> if you are having issues with the wiki, pink Lisa to overcome the "bumps in the road"
17:09:58 <MichaelC> zakim, IPCaller is Neil_Milliken
17:09:58 <Zakim> +Neil_Milliken; got it
17:10:13 <JF> LS: need to start looking at technologies next for the background research
17:10:21 <JF> what technologies exist, and where the holes are
17:10:27 <JF> how things could be used to help us
17:10:36 <JF> and when/where things are lacking
17:10:52 <JF> Look at WCAG, ARIA, INdieUI
17:11:01 <JF> Web Components?
17:11:29 <JF> if anyone is not looking at user-scenarios or research that would be helpful
17:11:35 <MichaelC> zakim, Neil_Milliken.a is Karl_Groves
17:11:35 <Zakim> sorry, MichaelC, I do not recognize a party named 'Neil_Milliken.a'
17:11:44 <JF> Rich is looking at Fluid (a non W3C spec)
17:11:54 <MichaelC> zakim, Neil_Milliken is Karl_Groves
17:11:54 <Zakim> +Karl_Groves; got it
17:11:59 <JF> is there something else we need to look at?
17:12:09 <JF> Course modelling language, etc.
17:12:14 <JF> anyone interested?
17:12:23 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller.a is probably Elle_Waters
17:12:23 <Zakim> +Elle_Waters?; got it
17:12:27 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:12:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, NeilMilliken, JF, Karl_Groves, MichelC, JohnRochford, janina (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Debra_Ruh, Jim_Allan, Elle_Waters?, Michael_Cooper (muted)
17:12:27 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:13:24 <JF> LS: there are a number out there, if we don't find volunteers or folks who are familiar with this, we will need to look for recruits
17:13:41 <Liddy> I am interested in doing things on language, yes
17:13:48 <JF> LS: seems that there are already folks on this call who could fill thost roles
17:13:49 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
17:13:59 <Lisa_Seeman> liddy can you also do IMS?
17:14:00 <JF> Lisa, we lost your audio feed
17:14:09 <Liddy> do what to them?
17:14:28 <Zakim> +??P3
17:14:29 <Liddy> sure
17:14:41 <JF> KHS: suspect that Lisa wants a review of...
17:14:47 <JF> (lisa returns)
17:14:55 <JF> LS: need to look at IMS to know.
17:15:10 <MichaelC> zakim, Elle is Liddy_Nevile
17:15:11 <Zakim> +Liddy_Nevile; got it
17:15:13 <JF> LN: Do this on the wiki, or vocally, or what
17:15:23 <JF> LD:Interested to know why IMS
17:15:38 <JF> The work done therer is done by a very few people
17:15:47 <ElleWaters> (I'm not on the call today, just IRC, due to being in a conference)
17:16:06 <JF> multiple threads of work/research - I can speak to that at any time
17:16:24 <JF> LD: the idea is access for all, and it is being played out using meta-data
17:16:40 <JF> used to convince the user what they actually want, not what they think they want
17:16:59 <JF> content is then transformed [unintelligable...]
17:17:17 <JF> LD: we need to figure out *how* to do the accessiblity, then extedn it out using the metadata
17:17:28 <JF> everyone is using the same metadata ideas
17:17:51 <JF> LS: so don't look at IMS, but rather access for all
17:18:33 <JF> LN: there are two types of metadata - from the user stating what is needed, and the resource: this is what is available
17:19:00 <JF> LS: so we need to see what is there, as well as the holes - is there metadat of the cognition issues that are needed?
17:19:04 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:19:28 <JF> LS: this would surface in the gap analysis, so that when we build the road map we can capture it then
17:19:58 <JF> LS: are there any other types of technology that should be in the gap analysis?
17:20:00 <Ryladog> q+
17:20:38 <JF> RS: believe we need to determine how are persons needs delivered to a web application? we need to convey the user needs
17:20:58 <JF> RS; plus the metadata, and then the handshake in the middle
17:21:02 <JF> LS: makes sense
17:21:09 <JF> :LS really about personalization
17:21:26 <JF> LS: Rich, the Fluid project address some of those issues, correct?
17:21:36 <JF> RS: yes, how well not sure, but it does
17:21:48 <JF> RS: Fluid has been developed at OCAD, and is now growing
17:22:00 <JF> it has always been looking at personalization
17:22:38 <JF> LS: it does feel like the work of JIm Allen is useful
17:22:48 <JF> he is working on the labels to match them up
17:23:01 <JF> we need to look at Fluid to see if they are addressing the needs
17:23:18 <JF> LN: all of these projects are focused on how to do the matching
17:23:24 <JF> we also need to look at how to deliver that
17:23:41 <JF> LS: so one of the pieces that is missing is labels for cognitive function?
17:23:45 <JF> LN: yes
17:24:03 <JF> LS: so we need to look at those "tags" as well?
17:24:18 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:24:19 <JF> q?
17:24:27 <JF> ack Ryla
17:24:39 <JF> KHS: agree that metadata is important
17:24:50 <JF> but suggest that uman factors stuff is also important
17:25:00 <JF> defingint he components in usability could be helpful
17:25:10 <JF> s/uman/human
17:25:20 <Ryladog> Add HFES usuability techniques
17:25:25 <JF> KHS: usability techniques
17:25:46 <JF> khs: CAN VOLUNTEER TO REVIEW THOSE
17:25:58 <Ryladog> s/usuability/usability
17:26:01 <JF> DR: interested in helping Katie with that
17:26:32 <NeilMilliken> Also interested in the Usability Coga crossover
17:26:35 <JF> LS: does anyone want to look at Web Components?
17:27:09 <JF> RS: the W3C Web Components? I have an awareness but don't think they have done any coga work there
17:27:28 <JF> LS: they haven't, but discussions at TPAC suggested it might be an enabling technology
17:27:50 <NeilMilliken> Currently doing quite a lot of work on UX/Usability/Accessibility crossover
17:28:22 <JF> RS: two google editors there
17:28:37 <NeilMilliken> My team at work are
17:28:40 <JF> (nobody on the call has a high awareness)
17:28:56 <JF> LS: they are doing stuff with the shadow DOM, etc.
17:29:10 <JohnRochford> Web Components Current Status = https://www.w3.org/standards/techs/components#w3c_all
17:29:32 <janina> zakim, unmute me
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17:29:54 <JF> JF asks Janina if there was anyone in WAI looking at WEb Components?
17:30:00 <JF> JS: nothing in a systematic way
17:30:14 <JF> JS: on the roadmap for a better response
17:30:38 <JF> JF asks if anyone is interested in that?
17:30:50 <JF> JS: the other one is CSS modules
17:31:16 <JF> LS: there was simeone at TPAC interested in what we were doing - that there was a connedtion
17:31:23 <Zakim> + +1.201.236.aaee
17:31:31 <JF> the person had ADHD, and could see the link between the two
17:31:42 <janina> zakim, mute me
17:31:42 <Zakim> janina should now be muted
17:32:00 <JF> zakim, aaee is Suzanne_Taylor
17:32:00 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor; got it
17:32:21 <JF> LS: if there are any other of these technologies we should be looking at, bring them forward now
17:32:48 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:33:01 <JF> ST: yes, the IMS would be usrful there
17:33:15 <JF> (JF notes that metadata keeps coming up)
17:33:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
17:33:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> APIP
17:33:37 <JF> ST: there is APIP as well
17:33:44 <JF> happy to look at that as well
17:34:17 <JF> RS: looking to merge the metadata from schema dot org and APIP and the access for all team
17:34:36 <JF> LS: we've heard that no-one has all of the pieces of what we want to do, so we continue to identify the gaps
17:35:18 <JF> RS: sure that we don't do cognative justice to coga (access for all)
17:35:31 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:36:01 <Lisa_Seeman> jf: look at biometrics
17:36:16 <NeilMilliken> I'm not cringing - I think biometrics would be a great help
17:36:22 <Lisa_Seeman> me to
17:37:07 <NeilMilliken> University of Southampton have done a lot around biometrics
17:37:38 <NeilMilliken> including stuff around gait recognition
17:38:59 <Lisa_Seeman> useful for capture
17:39:52 <Ryladog> or Voiceprint recognition
17:40:13 <NeilMilliken> Also look at stuff like Jock McClear and his NFC ring
17:41:10 <JF> LS: so the sum is that we need to identify that you are a human, and "who I am"
17:41:11 <Ryladog> q+
17:41:24 <allanj> s/useful for capture/useful for CAPTCHA
17:41:50 <Lisa_Seeman> ack rich
17:41:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:41:54 <JF> LS: this applies to secure emails as well - whenever there are new codes to copy over or etc. - sees that as a possible security benefit
17:42:01 <JF> ack ryla
17:42:04 <Lisa_Seeman> ack ryl
17:42:39 <JF> KHS: yes, using biometrics would be a huge thing - calling up metadata for cognitive issues is not broad enough. biometricds could bring up fuirther needs as well
17:42:56 <JF> LS: don't want to lose this - can we capture it on the wiki?
17:43:14 <JF> LS: there is a section on the wiki that collects "how could inclusion be improved
17:43:22 <JF> ACTIO: john foliot to add to the wiki
17:43:26 <Liddy> q+
17:43:32 <JF> ACTION: john foliot to add to the wiki
17:43:44 <JF> LN: metadata can be very robust
17:43:51 <JF> can specify exactly what the person needs
17:43:55 <Zakim> -Debra_Ruh
17:44:12 <JF> we don't have metadata that describes people, but rather their functional requirements - what the person wants
17:44:36 <JF> KHS: yes, that is the end. just thinking that one-way or other we need to get specific to user needs
17:45:14 <JF> relative to a specific individual, we could go very tightly focused - very specfic
17:45:52 <JF> LD: the way of delivering the requirments using biometrics, perhaps. the metadata itself is focused on functional requirements of the usre
17:46:11 <JF> LS: we need to identify who I am, then the metadata of who i am
17:46:36 <JF> LD: the way the metadata is built... if we can identify the functional requirement of what they need it can be added to the list
17:47:09 <JF> LS: which brings us back to where we are - identify the gaps
17:47:21 <JF> q?
17:47:23 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:47:28 <Lisa_Seeman> ack lid
17:47:29 <JF> ack liddy
17:47:33 <JF> q?
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17:48:05 <JF> LS: we are going to have this dicussion a few times - we will need to continue to brainstorm further
17:48:19 <Zakim> -NeilMilliken
17:48:24 <JF> zakim, take up next item
17:48:24 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Technologies overview" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:48:59 <NeilMilliken> have to drop off the call but wilk stay on irc
17:49:07 <JF> zakim, take up item 6
17:49:07 <Zakim> agendum 6. "CSUN" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:49:08 <Ryladog> +1
17:49:14 <allanj> i'll be there
17:49:25 <JF> so far looks like Lisa, Rich, Katie, JF, mary-JO
17:49:39 <karlgroves> I'll be there
17:50:19 <MichaelC> ack me
17:50:24 <JF> looks like at least 7 people, perhaps more will be at CSUN
17:50:34 <Zakim> +Joseph_O´Conno
17:50:53 <JF> LS; as far as an official meeting, we can't do it at this time
17:51:08 <JF> MC: there is time on the agenda on Tuesday for Task Force checkins
17:51:23 <JF> WCAG group will be meeting then
17:51:43 <JF> MC: can also organize something in advance, formally or otherwise
17:52:15 <JF> LS: would like to attend the WCAG meeting
17:52:34 <JF> LS: think it would be helpful if we all sat in one place for a dinner or...
17:52:58 <JF> KHS: there is the WCAG EM on Monday, then WCAG on Tuesday
17:53:09 <JF> Will folks be there on Monday?
17:53:32 <NeilMilliken> it would be but i willstruggle to attend
17:53:43 <JF> JF suggests a working breakfast?
17:54:32 <JF> (looking at Thursday - 7:30 - 9:00 AM?)
17:54:50 <NeilMilliken>  any video conferencing opportunities
17:55:32 <karlgroves> +1 to mornings
17:55:46 <allanj> +1 to mornings
17:56:43 <JF> Lyles restaurant?
17:57:19 <JF> KHS: will look into that for next week
17:57:53 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:58:14 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:58:21 <Zakim> -MichelC
17:58:34 <JF> LS: on the hour, will leave it at that
17:58:46 <Zakim> -JohnRochford
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17:58:57 <Zakim> -JF
17:59:00 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
17:59:04 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:59:09 <Liddy> quit
17:59:10 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
17:59:13 <NeilMilliken> ok until next week
17:59:14 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make minutes
17:59:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/24-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:59:26 <Zakim> -Joseph_O´Conno
17:59:47 <Zakim> -Liddy_Nevile
17:59:49 <Zakim> -janina
17:59:52 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, stop log
17:59:52 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop log', Lisa_Seeman.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:00:24 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:00:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/24-coga-minutes.html allanj
18:00:38 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
18:00:57 <allanj> zakim, please part
18:00:57 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +44.203.618.aaaa, JF, +1.617.959.aabb, +1.508.856.aacc, janina, JohnRochford, Katie_Haritos-Shea, MichelC, +1.804.749.aadd,
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18:01:00 <Zakim> ... NeilMilliken, Jim_Allan, Michael_Cooper, Debra_Ruh, Lisa_Seeman, Karl_Groves, Elle_Waters?, Liddy_Nevile, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.201.236.aaee, Suzanne_Taylor, Joseph_O´Conno
18:01:03 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
18:01:09 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:01:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/24-coga-minutes.html allanj
18:01:14 <Lisa_Seeman> Thanks!
18:01:21 <Lisa_Seeman> trying to figuer it out....
18:01:42 <allanj> title: Cognitive TaskForce
18:02:05 <allanj> Chair: Lisa Seeman
18:02:09 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:02:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/24-coga-minutes.html allanj
18:03:06 <allanj> present+ NeilMilliken, Jim_Allan, Michael_Cooper, Debra_Ruh, Lisa_Seeman, Karl_Groves, Elle_Waters?, Liddy_Nevile, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.201.236.aaee, Suzanne_Taylor, Joseph_O´Connor
18:03:10 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:03:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/24-coga-minutes.html allanj
18:03:30 <allanj> rrsagent, please part
18:03:30 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/24-coga-actions.rdf :
18:03:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: john foliot to add to the wiki [1]
18:03:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/24-coga-irc#T17-43-32