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14:56:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:56:50 <trackbot> Date: 20 February 2014
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14:59:48 <nigel> zakim, ??P10 is me
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14:59:55 <nigel> chair: nigel
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15:03:42 <nigel> present+ tmichel, glenn, Mike
15:06:10 <nigel> scribeNick: plh
15:06:54 <plh> Topic: Charter
15:07:03 <plh> plh: the charter is out
15:07:10 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
15:07:17 <plh> ... deadline is March 20
15:08:13 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/ttml-charter-diff.html
15:08:15 <plh> ... it isn't perfect but comments by the deadline
15:08:24 <plh> Nigel: you had to make some changes.
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15:09:10 <plh> plh: some text moved to 2.1
15:09:11 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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15:09:38 <nigel> zakim, [Microsoft] is jdsmith
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15:10:36 <plh> " As needed, the Group will also coordinate with the HTML Accessibility Task Force and the HTML Working Group to contribute how to interoperably implement described video with the Open Web Platform. "
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15:12:47 <glenn> q+
15:12:59 <plh> [..]
15:13:00 <nigel> ack glenn
15:13:02 <plh> ack gle
15:13:24 <plh> Glenn: it's appendix N, we talk about dilation and narrowing of the time
15:13:33 <plh> ... parameter called played rate
15:13:50 <plh> ... we didn't really work out the all business of played rate yet but it's there
15:14:54 <plh> Nigel: timeline?
15:15:09 <plh> plh: HTML 5.1 is the target here. end of the year for LC
15:15:24 <plh> Nigel: it's simply a change to the audio track
15:15:32 <plh> ... no other change
15:18:43 <plh> plh: make sure to have a fresh look at the charter
15:20:32 <plh> plh: for the milestones, please have a fresh at them
15:21:15 <plh> Thierry: some phases are unrealistic. like LC for first deliverable. we're squeezing those by Feb 2015.
15:21:33 <plh> ... why squeeze everything in the first year and have nothing after that for a year?
15:21:56 <plh> Nigel: everybody is keen to make progress and don't want to see too long of a delay
15:23:05 <plh> ... unless we make a significant acceleration, we won't reach LC by April 2014
15:24:07 <plh> Thierry: LC and CR for WebVTT are too closed
15:24:16 <plh> ... one month to address comments is unrealistic
15:24:26 <plh> ... unless we expect 0 comment
15:24:38 <plh> Nigel: we don't have the WebVTT folks around
15:24:55 <plh> ... we can put that to them
15:25:04 <plh> ... they're working on their FSA process
15:25:18 <plh> ... to serve as a starting point as soon as the charter is approved
15:25:31 <plh> ... they'll be very few changes between charter approval and LC
15:25:53 <plh> ... and they're thinking is that comments will be already addressed by the time they get into LC
15:26:10 <plh> ... if anybody needs longer to review WebVTT, they should raise that point
15:26:58 <nigel> Regrets+ andreas
15:28:59 <plh> Topic: Action items
15:29:10 <plh> action-244?
15:29:10 <trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-12-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:29:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
15:29:26 <plh> issue-295?
15:29:26 <trackbot> issue-295 -- Remove code point restrictions from IMSC -- open
15:29:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/295
15:29:58 <plh> Nigel: Glenn, did you review the edits?
15:30:21 <plh> Glenn: not yet. will get that done in the next couple of days.
15:30:36 <plh> ... ttml is back on the top of my queue
15:31:03 <plh> ACTION-244: waiting on Glenn to confirm the edits
15:31:03 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-244 Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a..
15:31:07 <plh> action-257?
15:31:07 <trackbot> action-257 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Create a new issue to split these out for tracking. -- due 2014-01-23 -- OPEN
15:31:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/257
15:31:41 <plh> issue-205?
15:31:41 <trackbot> issue-205 -- TTML probably shouldn't have adopted xml:id instead of id. -- pending review
15:31:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205
15:32:15 <plh> Nigel: there was a proposal to reintroduce id, but it got withdrawn?
15:32:26 <plh> Glenn: yes, no other request. I'll like to drop it
15:32:40 <plh> Nigel: objection to close it?
15:32:44 <plh> close issue-205
15:32:44 <trackbot> Closed issue-205.
15:33:11 <plh> action-203?
15:33:11 <trackbot> action-203 -- Glenn Adams to Investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help -- due 2013-09-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:33:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/203
15:33:49 <plh> Glenn: I couldn't nail down the intent of this action
15:33:57 <plh> ... so I suggested to take no action
15:34:32 <plh> Mike: it was raise by plh about a mismatch between 708 border style and CSS
15:35:14 <plh> Glenn: I don't believe we have border support in TTML
15:35:30 <plh> ... we use shadow and outline for text
15:35:39 <plh> ... but nothing about border
15:36:05 <plh> Mike: let's assume this is text and not region for a moment. 708 have specific styles that can't be represented by TTML
15:36:19 <plh> ... I offered to help frame the problem but this is not my issue
15:36:22 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
15:36:38 <plh> Nigel: change proposal 15 mentions shadow, outline and border on text and regions
15:36:54 <plh> ... it lists some issues related to this
15:37:15 <plh> ... if Mike was able to describe 708 style, it would be helpful
15:37:52 <plh> Mike: I can enumerate text edge style from 708
15:39:39 <plh> plh: i'll look into this issue to make it clearer
15:39:49 <plh> (action reassigned to plh)
15:40:08 <plh> action-262?
15:40:08 <trackbot> action-262 -- Nigel Megitt to Update relevant change proposal to include row alignment requirement and potential css solution based on action-233 findings -- due 2014-01-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:40:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/262
15:40:39 <plh> Nigel: I added that into change proposal 15
15:40:57 <plh> ... that's in the section called "multiple row alignment"
15:41:41 <plh> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#multiple_row_alignment_.28flex_box_in_CSS_mapping.29
15:41:42 <mike> re edge styles, see: https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191
15:42:19 <plh> Nigel: if people thinks we need more details, let me know
15:42:26 <plh> ... otherwise we can close it
15:42:35 <Zakim> -pal
15:43:41 <plh> close action-262
15:43:41 <trackbot> Closed action-262.
15:43:54 <plh> Nigel back to issue-203
15:44:11 <plh> Nigel: issue-191 says that it was implemented
15:44:19 <plh> Mike: but it wasn't resolved technically
15:44:58 <plh> Nigel: Glenn indicated that he fixed it
15:45:20 <plh> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b119224bba98
15:46:31 <plh> Glenn: I added an appendix to SDP as part of the resolution
15:46:55 <plh> ... "Additional character edge features for raised, depressed, and drop shadowed edges are suggested for consideration in a future version of TTML."
15:47:21 <plh> Glenn: I believe we have an issue to add text shadow property and deprecate text outline property
15:47:38 <plh> ... the new text shadow should be sufficient
15:47:54 <plh> Nigel: we'll leave 203 open for plh
15:48:14 <plh> ... Mike might want to add information
15:48:55 <plh> action-264?
15:48:55 <trackbot> action-264 -- Nigel Megitt to Ensure all p1 and p2 issues not closed belong in a change proposal -- due 2014-01-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:48:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/264
15:49:07 <plh> Nigel: did these
15:49:19 <plh> ... any further points to raise?
15:49:53 <plh> close action-264
15:49:53 <trackbot> Closed action-264.
15:50:08 <plh> Topic: Overdue action items
15:50:14 <plh> close action-251
15:50:14 <trackbot> Closed action-251.
15:50:19 <plh> action-251?
15:50:19 <trackbot> action-251 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Copy the wiki pages donated by web&tv in the tt wiki -- due 2013-12-18 -- CLOSED
15:50:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/251
15:50:56 <plh> Nigel: the slash at the end makes a different
15:51:01 <plh> ... so I moved it
15:51:15 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/EffortsAndSpecifications
15:51:58 <plh> Nigel: you should fix the link in the wiki of WebTV
15:52:04 <mike> action-203 updated to reference issue-191
15:52:48 <plh> action-207?
15:52:48 <trackbot> action-207 -- Glenn Adams to Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 -- due 2013-09-26 -- OPEN
15:52:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207
15:53:57 <plh> Glenn: I've been working on the TT validator
15:55:02 <plh> action-246?
15:55:02 <trackbot> action-246 -- Nigel Megitt to Take deliverables of draft charter to TAG for scrutiny -- due 2013-11-28 -- OPEN
15:55:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/246
15:55:14 <plh> Nigel: I'll need to look at that harder
15:55:23 <plh> ... I'll wait until approval for that
15:56:55 <plh> Topic: Change proposals
15:57:06 <plh> Nigel: the only one is change proposal 15
15:57:17 <plh> ... I added the box declaration break example
15:57:21 <plh> ... and the font face rule
15:57:28 <plh> ... and multiple alignment
15:57:50 <plh> ... unless there are questions, we should figure which change proposals folks want to take first
15:58:05 <plh> ... otherwise, I'll like put change proposal 15 at the top of our list
15:58:25 <plh> ... regarding the timelines, we'll need to accelerate a bit
15:59:31 <plh> plh: we should have milestones on the agenda
15:59:41 <plh> Glenn: we may need to adjust them
16:00:14 <plh> NigeL I could take this offline with Glenn as well
16:00:31 <plh> Glenn: sure
16:01:19 <plh> ACTION: Nigel to estimate timelines for TTML 2 deliberables with Glenn
16:01:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-268 - Estimate timelines for ttml 2 deliberables with glenn [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-02-27].
16:01:29 <plh> Nigel: otherwise are welcome to pitch in as well
16:02:07 <plh> [adjourned]
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16:02:37 <plh> zakim, list attendess
16:02:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendess', plh
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16:02:42 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
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