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14:57:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3825
14:57:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:56 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
14:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 20 February 2014
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14:58:10 <shadi> zakim, this is eval
14:58:11 <Zakim> shadi, I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be eval".
14:58:32 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has now started
14:58:40 <Zakim> +EricVelleman
14:58:45 <Zakim> +Liz
15:00:02 <shadi> zakim, shadi-617
15:00:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'shadi-617', shadi
15:00:09 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
15:00:09 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
15:00:10 <Zakim> +Shadi
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15:01:29 <martijnhoutepen> Zakim, ??P16 is martijnhoutepen
15:01:29 <Zakim> +martijnhoutepen; got it
15:01:42 <MaryJo> scribe: MaryJo
15:01:42 <shadi> scribe: MaryJo
15:01:51 <MaryJo> scribenick: Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:02:07 <martijnhoutepen> zakim, please mute me
15:02:09 <Zakim> martijnhoutepen should now be muted
15:02:20 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
15:02:20 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:02:59 <shadi> scribenick: MaryJo
15:03:32 <shadi> regrets: Detlev, Kathy, Gavin, Alistair, Moe
15:03:36 <Zakim> +Mike_Elledge
15:03:38 <MaryJo> topic: Selection of website for WCAGEM
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15:04:31 <MaryJo> EV: Vivian had proposed a website - possibly the library in Australia site.
15:04:57 <shadi> [[From Vivienne: We still have approval to do the Edith Cowan University Library website - we
15:04:57 <shadi> were saving this one for a test.]]
15:05:26 <MaryJo> Shadi: What type of website are we looking for?
15:05:31 <Zakim> +Sarah_Swierenga
15:06:08 <MaryJo> EV: We want a website that is not too complex, but not necessarily a purely HTML website.
15:06:33 <MaryJo> EV: A not too old or too modern website.
15:06:42 <MaryJo> Shadi: A medium sized website
15:06:56 <Mike_Elledge> q+
15:07:36 <MaryJo> EV: Want a website that is easy to describe in the scope.
15:08:14 <MaryJo> ME: Suggested site would be a university website that has something to do with accessibility.
15:08:51 <MaryJo> Shadi: There are several universities that could fall into this category. We'd have to get permission from the University, of course.
15:09:41 <MaryJo> Shadi: We could check a part of a university website, like a particular department. A whole university website would be too large for our test.
15:09:57 <Sarah_Swierenga> q+
15:10:12 <shadi> ack mike
15:10:18 <shadi> ack Sarah_Swierenga
15:11:27 <MaryJo> SS: There are a couple of colleges within Michigan State University that might be willing to have their website be an example. Like a part of the College of Communications Arts and Sciences.
15:12:49 <MaryJo> SS: Can talk to the webmaster of that college, because that website has a lot of different functions - even a donation part.
15:13:41 <MaryJo> SS: There is an accessibility policy and it is likely this content is not fully compliant yet. As focus is being increased in accessibility of the web content, it would be a good candidate.
15:13:47 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:13:52 <martijnhoutepen> +1
15:13:54 <EricVelleman> +1
15:13:58 <Liz> +1
15:13:58 <MaryJo> +1
15:15:16 <MaryJo> EV: Since there is still work to be done to make the site comply, it could be a really good test case and it would be helpful for them to have the test results so they can know areas to address to improve the accessibility of the site.
15:15:36 <shadi> q+
15:15:54 <shadi> ack me
15:15:58 <MaryJo> SS: Will be some work to organize this and get approvals, but am willing to take that on.'
15:16:30 <MaryJo> Shadi: We won't make a decision yet, as we need a full quorum from this group to approve the idea.
15:16:33 <Sarah_Swierenga> q+
15:17:46 <MaryJo> Shadi: We can provide evaluation results to whatever organization or website so they can see the results, but there won't be any follow-up work done on our group's part to help them fix things.
15:19:04 <shadi> q+
15:19:10 <shadi> ack sarah
15:19:16 <shadi> ack me
15:19:43 <MaryJo> SS: There are also other groups at the college that could fit what we want. There is a variety of website possibilities that might fit various levels of compliance. We may need a pre-screening to make sure the site fits the things we want to test in our document.
15:20:54 <MaryJo> Shadi: Library websites may be more challenging for us, as they often require a login to gain access to many of the website services.
15:21:50 <MaryJo> EV: We need some pre-screening selection criteria to help us select the kind of website we want to evaluate.
15:22:04 <Sarah_Swierenga> q+
15:22:28 <MaryJo> EV: Some criteria - No login to access website, a public website.
15:23:12 <MaryJo> SS: Make sure there is some video content and some dynamic content, and images, .pdfs, etc. A variety of content with some interactive content.
15:23:42 <MaryJo> SS: Something with a form in it.
15:24:36 <Sarah_Swierenga> q+
15:24:40 <MaryJo> EV: We need to look in the sampling criteria we have in the document and make sure this type of content is present in the website we evaluate.
15:25:08 <MaryJo> EV: Colleges will probably have more interactive content and video content because that makes it interesting to students.
15:25:51 <MaryJo> EV: Perhaps a government agency would be good. However, they typically are already required to be compliant so it might not be an interesting test.
15:26:03 <shadi> ack Sarah_Swierenga
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15:27:16 <MaryJo> Shadi: Government sites might not be willing to allow this kind of test, as many are required by regulation for the sites to be accessible and it could be perceived negatively if we find problems.
15:27:39 <MaryJo> Shadi: Whatever website we evaluate, the results will be anonymous.
15:28:13 <MaryJo> Shadi: We'll have to be careful that results are not made public in any way, through email, etc.
15:29:30 <MaryJo> EV: Not a government website, preferrably an English language college website.
15:30:15 <MaryJo> EV: Eric will look into library websites to see if any would meet parameters for a test run.
15:31:13 <MaryJo> SS: Will send Eric a list of possible websites privately. Library websites often link to non-library sites and pages that aren't under their control for accessibility.
15:31:44 <shadi> +1 want a website with the majority of content within the website
15:31:48 <MaryJo> SS: Need to choose a site that we would have the majority of content be in that site, not a portal to other 3rd party content.
15:33:09 <MaryJo> SS: College of Human Medicine, College of Nursing, etc. at the University that I can see if they are willing to have their site participate. We'll position this as something helpful that they'll benefit from the review as we test our methodology.
15:34:24 <MaryJo> SS: There is a lot of faculty, several locations for these medical colleges so there's a lot of content to use for our test.
15:35:32 <MaryJo> Shadi: We possibly could look into testing content for a single faculty member if there's enough content.
15:36:12 <MaryJo> SS: Will send a private message to all members of this working group regarding the suggested sites.
15:36:12 <Mike_Elledge> q+
15:36:31 <MaryJo> topic: Working group F2F at CSUN
15:36:49 <MaryJo> Shadi: Still working on the logistics for this.
15:37:27 <Sarah_Swierenga> q+
15:37:42 <MaryJo> ME: WCAG/Adobe has a room, so maybe we can carve out time after their workshop for us to meet in that room.
15:38:22 <MaryJo> Shadi: We should pick up a few of the comments we've received, like the scoring, to discuss face-to-face.
15:38:35 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
15:38:58 <shadi> ack mike
15:39:09 <MaryJo> SS: Do we have a time of day?
15:39:49 <MaryJo> Shadi: We're meeting Monday & Tuesday from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM
15:40:08 <MaryJo> SS: Won't be able to make it until Tues. afternoon due to presentation in Chicago on Monday.
15:40:20 <MaryJo> SS: Kenote is after 5:30 on Tuesday.
15:40:32 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/EvalTF_CSUN2014/results
15:40:37 <MaryJo> Shadi: We'll try to finish meeting prior to the keynote speaker.
15:40:53 <Mike_Elledge> maybe dinner?
15:41:16 <Sarah_Swierenga> dinner after the keynote would be fun
15:41:31 <Mike_Elledge> +!
15:41:39 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:41:46 <shadi> +1
15:42:02 <EricVelleman> +1
15:42:31 <Tim> +1
15:43:38 <Liz> bye
15:43:38 <martijnhoutepen> ack me
15:43:39 <Mike_Elledge> bye
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15:43:50 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:43:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-eval-minutes.html MaryJo
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15:44:05 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has ended
15:44:05 <Zakim> Attendees were EricVelleman, Liz, Shadi, Mary_Jo_Mueller, martijnhoutepen, Mike_Elledge, Sarah_Swierenga, Tim_Boland
15:47:19 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:47:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-eval-minutes.html MaryJo
15:47:52 <MaryJo> chair: EricVelleman
15:48:02 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:48:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-eval-minutes.html MaryJo
17:14:34 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
17:14:34 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:14:34 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
17:14:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:14:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-eval-minutes.html trackbot
17:14:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:14:43 <RRSAgent> I see no action items