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16:34:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
16:34:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM scheduled to start in 26 minutes
16:34:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:34:11 <trackbot> Date: 20 February 2014
16:34:29 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014JanMar/0101.html
16:34:38 <olivier> Agenda+ Review of action items
16:34:57 <olivier> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/agenda action items review
16:35:05 <olivier> agenda+ Report on Web MIDI Session at NAMM
16:35:13 <olivier> agenda+ Visible data races (and scriptprocessornodes in workers)
16:41:31 <olivier> (github issues 66 (closed), 254 (pending close), 268 (depends on 16))
16:41:42 <olivier> Agenda_ next FTF meeting
16:41:51 <olivier> Agenda+ next FTF meeting
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16:56:51 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has now started
16:56:58 <Zakim> +??P14
16:57:03 <cwilso_> zakim, P14 is me
16:57:03 <Zakim> sorry, cwilso_, I do not recognize a party named 'P14'
16:57:10 <cwilso_> zakim, ??P14 is me
16:57:10 <Zakim> +cwilso_; got it
16:58:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:59:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:59:30 <padenot> Zakim, IPcaller is me
16:59:30 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
16:59:38 <Zakim> -padenot
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16:59:43 <padenot> hrm.
16:59:51 <chrislowis> Zakim, who is on the call?
16:59:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see cwilso_, [IPcaller.a]
17:00:02 <chrislowis> Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
17:00:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:00:03 <Zakim> +chrislowis; got it
17:00:21 <kawai> zakim, IPcaller is me
17:00:21 <Zakim> +kawai; got it
17:01:02 <Zakim> + +44.303.040.aaaa
17:01:19 <olivier> zakim, aaaa is me
17:01:19 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
17:01:20 <Zakim> + +1.617.871.aabb
17:01:31 <jernoble> jernoble has joined #audio
17:01:41 <Zakim> +??P0
17:01:52 <olivier> zakim, ??P0 is jer
17:01:53 <Zakim> +jer; got it
17:01:57 <olivier> zakim, aabb is Joe
17:01:57 <Zakim> +Joe; got it
17:02:08 <joe> joe has joined #audio
17:02:29 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
17:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see cwilso_, chrislowis, kawai, olivier, Joe, jer
17:02:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see joe, jernoble, chrislowis, kawai, Zakim, RRSAgent, shepazu, heath, rtoyg_, paul___irish, cwilso_, padenot, olivier, mdjp, toyoshiAw, trackbot
17:03:27 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
17:03:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:03:47 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is padenot
17:03:47 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
17:04:00 <olivier> agenda?
17:04:34 <cwilso_> zakim, cwilso_ has rtoyg_
17:04:34 <Zakim> +rtoyg_; got it
17:04:41 <olivier> scribe: chrislowis
17:04:44 <olivier> chair: olivier
17:04:55 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
17:04:55 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review of action items" taken up [from olivier]
17:05:05 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/agenda
17:05:29 <Zakim> -padenot
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17:05:35 <padenot> grr
17:05:36 <olivier> ACTION-80
17:05:36 <trackbot> ACTION-80 -- Chris Wilson to Remove webaudio section on example applications, photos from section on convolution, and salvage anything valuable -- due 2014-02-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:05:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/80
17:06:26 <chrislowis> cwilso_: I've pulled out those sections, there looked to be some references to man pages, but nothing too helpful.
17:06:45 <chrislowis> cwilso_: between the intro and the scenarios document, I think everything that was here is covered elsewhere.
17:06:46 <olivier> action-80 closed
17:06:46 <trackbot> Closed action-80.
17:07:06 <chrislowis> olivier: there was an email from Bjorn on the email list, if you could reply to him?
17:07:09 <chrislowis> cwilso_: sure.
17:07:28 <cwilso_> action: chriswilson to email Bjorn when PR goes through
17:07:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Email bjorn when pr goes through [on Chris Wilson - due 2014-02-27].
17:08:05 <chrislowis> cwilso_: I wrote some documentation around this and closed two duplicate issues.
17:08:30 <chrislowis> olivier: so I take it we can close issue 15 on GH?
17:08:39 <chrislowis> cwilso_: with that PR it should get closed.
17:08:51 <olivier> action-90
17:08:51 <trackbot> action-90 -- Chris Wilson to Look into https://github.com/webaudio/web-audio-api/issues/15 - assess how complex the change would be (and ideally suggest pr to spec) -- due 2014-02-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:08:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/90
17:08:55 <olivier> action-90 closed
17:08:55 <trackbot> Closed action-90.
17:09:02 <cwilso_> zakim, who is here?
17:09:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see cwilso_, chrislowis, kawai, olivier, Joe, jer, Doug_Schepers
17:09:05 <Zakim> cwilso_ has rtoyg_
17:09:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see rtoyg, joe, jernoble, chrislowis, kawai, Zakim, RRSAgent, shepazu, heath, rtoyg_, paul___irish, cwilso_, padenot, olivier, mdjp, toyoshiAw, trackbot
17:09:26 <cwilso_> padenot, did you drop off the phone?
17:09:59 <olivier> action-92
17:09:59 <trackbot> action-92 -- Chris Wilson to Report on exploration of performance impact of github issue 268 -- due 2014-02-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:09:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/92
17:10:03 <olivier> close action-92
17:10:03 <trackbot> Closed action-92.
17:10:03 <chrislowis> olivier: we're going to discuss this next action item later, so will close it.
17:10:31 <shepazu> agenda+ audio EQ cookbook
17:10:46 <olivier> action-87 due in 2 weeks
17:10:46 <trackbot> Set action-87 Review http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/webaudio, suggest updates due date to 2014-03-06.
17:10:49 <olivier> action-88 due in 2 weeks
17:10:49 <trackbot> Set action-88 Start discussion on audio-dev list about known best practices (and tutorials), make sure to include stuff linked in chrislowis' newsletter due date to 2014-03-06.
17:10:50 <chrislowis> olivier: matt p is working on items 87 and 88 and will update us next week.
17:10:58 <olivier> action-81
17:10:58 <trackbot> action-81 -- Olivier Thereaux to Contact tag, point them to tag issues in github, continue conversation there -- due 2014-02-20 -- OPEN
17:10:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/81
17:11:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:11:39 <padenot> me, but it's broken
17:12:31 <chrislowis> olivier: I had a discussion with the 2 people on the TAG who worked on our review.
17:12:50 <chrislowis> olivier: they were enthusiastic about a joint meeting between them and us.
17:12:59 <chrislowis> olivier: I will close this item, the contact has been made.
17:13:11 <chrislowis> olivier: expect us to have a call with the TAG in the near future.
17:13:13 <olivier> close action-81
17:13:14 <trackbot> Closed action-81.
17:13:23 <olivier> zakim, who is noisy?
17:13:36 <Zakim> olivier, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Doug_Schepers (3%), [IPcaller] (70%), olivier (34%)
17:13:43 <padenot> ha
17:13:44 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is padenot
17:13:44 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
17:13:45 <cwilso_> zakim, mute IPcaller
17:13:45 <Zakim> sorry, cwilso_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to IPcaller
17:13:49 <olivier> zakim, mute padenot
17:13:49 <Zakim> padenot should now be muted
17:14:12 <olivier> action-86
17:14:12 <trackbot> action-86 -- Chris Lowis to Document the case of mediaelementaudiosource and mediastreamaudiosource nodes in offlineaudiocontext on github -- due 2014-02-20 -- OPEN
17:14:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/86
17:14:29 <chrislowis> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014JanMar/0088.html
17:17:12 <olivier> action: chrislowis to open github issue on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014JanMar/0088.html - document discussion so far
17:17:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Open github issue on http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-audio/2014janmar/0088.html - document discussion so far [on Chris Lowis - due 2014-02-27].
17:17:16 <olivier> close action-86
17:17:16 <trackbot> Closed action-86.
17:17:35 <olivier> action-89
17:17:35 <trackbot> action-89 -- Paul Adenot to Look at current implementations, and draft interface to request mathematical oscillator (issues/127) and specify phase (base on pr 270) -- due 2014-02-20 -- OPEN
17:17:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/89
17:18:03 <olivier> zakim, mute padenot
17:18:03 <Zakim> padenot was already muted, olivier
17:18:07 <chrislowis> olivier: I thought this had been done, and we talked about it last time. Do you remember padenot?
17:18:09 <olivier> zakim, unmute padenot
17:18:09 <Zakim> padenot should no longer be muted
17:18:24 <padenot> I can hear you, but apparently you can't hear me
17:18:46 <padenot> nope, I'm not muted locally
17:18:57 <padenot> it's just skype acting funny
17:19:16 <Zakim> -padenot
17:19:53 <padenot> hm, apparently, the SIP gods don't want me to update you on this
17:20:07 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/pull/270
17:20:12 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/244
17:21:03 <cwilso_> Here is a proposal: padenot@ff13d62, or http://padenot.github.io/web-audio-api/#band-limiting.
17:21:56 <chrislowis> olivier: I think that's what padenot the other day.
17:22:30 <chrislowis> s/the other day/mentioned the other day
17:23:52 <chrislowis> cwilso_: I think we need padenot here to have this conversation. Let's delay for now?
17:24:26 <padenot> yeah, sorry, I'm afraid something went wrong here
17:25:03 <chrislowis> olivier: the definition of phase looks to be done (in PR 270), so we have a solution in the draft/
17:25:23 <olivier> zakim, action-89 due in 2 weeks
17:25:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'action-89 due in 2 weeks', olivier
17:25:33 <olivier> trackbot, action-89 due in 2 weeks
17:25:33 <trackbot> Set action-89 Look at current implementations, and draft interface to request mathematical oscillator (issues/127) and specify phase (base on pr 270) due date to 2014-03-06.
17:25:55 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 1
17:25:55 <Zakim> agendum 1, Review of action items, closed
17:25:56 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:25:56 <Zakim> 2. Report on Web MIDI Session at NAMM [from olivier]
17:26:18 <chrislowis> olivier: kawai is going to take us through the web midi session at NAMM.
17:26:22 <chrislowis> kawai: thank you.
17:26:26 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 2
17:26:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Report on Web MIDI Session at NAMM" taken up [from olivier]
17:26:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:26:36 <chrislowis> kawai: I want to talk about the organisation of the meeting.
17:26:43 <chrislowis> s/of/at
17:27:02 <chrislowis> kawai: there was an organisation that represents Japanese manurfactures.
17:27:13 <cwilso_> kawai: two organizations involved:  AMEI, which is only active in Japan, and MMA, which covers the rest of the world.
17:27:54 <chrislowis> kawai: the meeting was January 22-26.
17:28:17 <chrislowis> kawai: the show is very big, with many instrument companies visiting, so these two orgs meet after the NAMM show.
17:28:52 <chrislowis> kawai: there was a demo of Web MIDI and the Web MIDI API.
17:29:01 <cwilso_> slides I presented at this meeting: http://webaudiodemos.appspot.com/namm/
17:29:47 <kawai> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lWVyAsQp4gU/Utzh4asS0iI/AAAAAAAAVHw/qrvc6sZfRLk/s1600/400598_347039785437621_1009547038_n.jpg
17:30:17 <chrislowis> kawai: Some stickers that we distributed.
17:30:31 <olivier> -> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lWVyAsQp4gU/Utzh4asS0iI/AAAAAAAAVHw/qrvc6sZfRLk/s1600/400598_347039785437621_1009547038_n.jpg MIDI API character stickers
17:30:32 <cwilso_> (that picture is MIDIappy, the Web MIDI mascot :)
17:31:19 <chrislowis> kawai: we talked also about using sysex messages in the web browser too.
17:31:50 <chrislowis> kawai: and the last one was about the issue of javascript in the browser and the fact that it is easy to steal the code.
17:33:14 <chrislowis> kawai: I don't think there are opinions that we need to track. Could you repeat the 2nd question?
17:33:55 <chrislowis> olivier: the question was: we know that we've been asking people to send messages of support about the Web MIDI API. I assume that we've been requesting that people send email to our list, or talk to vendors directly.
17:34:14 <chrislowis> olivier: but to what extent should we track these testimonials / messages of support?
17:34:18 <shepazu> q+
17:34:25 <chrislowis> olivier: cwilso_ do you have an opinion?
17:34:57 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:35:56 <chrislowis> cwilso_: kawai is working with some other partners to help with an implementation, so that mozilla have some data to decide whether it's worth implementing in the web platform.
17:36:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:36:47 <chrislowis> cwilso_: among the web developer community there may not be too much knowledge about web midi, but within the broader community of music hardware manufacturers there's a lot of interest.
17:37:27 <chrislowis> cwilso_ mentions https://github.com/yamaha-webmusic/nsx1-apps/
17:37:39 <chrislowis> (yamaha open source app that uses web midi)
17:38:22 <chrislowis> olivier: it might be useful to ask AMEI and MMA to send messages of support on behalf of their members to browser vendors.
17:38:31 <chrislowis> cwilso_: yes, that's what I'd like to see.
17:38:38 <chrislowis> olivier: do you need any support?
17:38:49 <chrislowis> cwilso_: I'm happy to push on it, and kawai and I will be working together on this.
17:39:21 <olivier> ack shepazu
17:39:54 <chrislowis> shepazu: we've had this problem before - trying to prove to browser vendors that there's interest in doing something. SVG is a good example, but it's not the only one.
17:40:48 <chrislowis> shepazu: with my dev-rel hat on, I wonder if there's something more systematic that the W3C could be doing to help inform the browser vendors that there is an interest in something that has a specific application
17:41:02 <cwilso_> zakim, who is making noise?
17:41:11 <chrislowis> shepazu: cwilso_ are you happy with how things are going? And do you need some more help?
17:41:12 <Zakim> cwilso_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olivier (14%)
17:41:23 <olivier> zakim, mute me
17:41:23 <Zakim> olivier should now be muted
17:41:27 <olivier> zakim, mute IPcaller
17:41:27 <Zakim> [IPcaller] should now be muted
17:41:33 <olivier> zakim, unmute me
17:41:33 <Zakim> olivier should no longer be muted
17:41:40 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is padenot
17:41:40 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
17:42:34 <chrislowis> cwilso_: I expect browser vendors will decide what they do and don't want to prioritise. The problem here has been showing to vendors that there are developers who are not currently on the web platform who really want to be there.
17:43:22 <chrislowis> cwilso_: walking around NAMM it is clear that there's lots of applications out there that are using propriatory technology when there's no reason at all that it couldn't work on the web platform.
17:43:38 <chrislowis> cwilso mentions a piano tutor application
17:43:51 <cwilso_> s/piano tutor application/PianoMarvel
17:44:21 <chrislowis> thanks
17:45:01 <chrislowis> cwilso_ and shepazu are going to talk about this some more.
17:45:12 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 2
17:45:12 <Zakim> agendum 2, Report on Web MIDI Session at NAMM, closed
17:45:13 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:45:13 <Zakim> 3. Visible data races (and scriptprocessornodes in workers) [from olivier]
17:45:53 <olivier> zakim, unmute padenot
17:45:53 <Zakim> padenot should no longer be muted
17:46:17 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 2
17:46:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Report on Web MIDI Session at NAMM" taken up [from olivier]
17:46:19 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 3
17:46:20 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Visible data races (and scriptprocessornodes in workers)" taken up [from olivier]
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17:46:41 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/66
17:46:53 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/268
17:47:06 <chrislowis> olivier: what we're talking about here is GH issue 268 which we talked about last time.
17:48:14 <olivier> action-92
17:48:14 <trackbot> action-92 -- Chris Wilson to Report on exploration of performance impact of github issue 268 -- due 2014-02-20 -- CLOSED
17:48:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/92
17:49:16 <joe> q+
17:50:10 <chrislowis> cwilso: the short version of my suggestion, saying that we're going to create new buffers for every call to onaudioprocess is going to put a lot of pressure on memory allocation, where there's already a lot of pressure. I don't have a great solution to that.
17:50:25 <olivier> ack joe
17:51:36 <joe> I'm saying that the question of getting scriptprocessornodes off the main thread is actually a higher priority and the memory issue (coupled to the main thread) feels like a distraction
17:51:43 <chrislowis> olivier: my concern is this is creating a bit of a web of dependencies
17:52:58 <chrislowis> olivier: I think I agree with joe that the priority is the workers issue, but do you have the bandwidth to take it on padenot and cwilso ?
17:53:08 <chrislowis> padenot: yes, I think we can start talking about it.
17:53:13 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/113
17:53:16 <chrislowis> padenot: and defining the right scope.
17:53:23 <chrislowis> olivier: I think this ^^ is the scope.
17:53:43 <olivier> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013OctDec/0177.html message from Joe
17:55:00 <chrislowis> cwilso: I think this issue is pretty important. I'll take it on.
17:55:21 <chrislowis> olivier: I'm happy for you two to work on it together, I just want a point of contact.
17:55:24 <chrislowis> cwilso: that's fine.
17:55:44 <olivier> action: cwilso to draft strawman proposal(s) on scriptprocessornodes in workers - see Github issue 113
17:55:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Draft strawman proposal(s) on scriptprocessornodes in workers - see github issue 113 [on Chris Wilson - due 2014-02-27].
17:55:52 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 3
17:55:52 <Zakim> agendum 3, Visible data races (and scriptprocessornodes in workers), closed
17:55:54 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:55:54 <Zakim> 4. next FTF meeting [from olivier]
17:56:20 <olivier> Topic: next meetng
17:56:26 <olivier> s/tng/ting/
17:56:27 <chrislowis> olivier: I think we'll skip item 4 for today, and put it to the top of the agenda next time.
17:56:59 <chrislowis> olivier: two weeks from now is the 6th March. Any regrets, or are we happy with the 6th?
17:57:19 <chrislowis> olivier: 6th March it is then.
17:57:28 <chrislowis> olivier: adjurn (on time!)
17:57:41 <Zakim> -Joe
17:57:50 <chrislowis> s/adjurn/adjourn
17:57:50 <Zakim> -jer
17:57:52 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
17:57:53 <Zakim> -cwilso_
17:57:53 <Zakim> -padenot
17:57:55 <Zakim> -olivier
17:57:56 <Zakim> -kawai
17:57:57 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:57:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:57:59 <Zakim> -chrislowis
17:58:01 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has ended
17:58:01 <Zakim> Attendees were padenot, chrislowis, kawai, +44.303.040.aaaa, olivier, +1.617.871.aabb, jer, Joe, Doug_Schepers, rtoyg_
17:58:17 <chrislowis> shepazu, olivier: are you going to skype me?
17:58:40 <shepazu> chrislowis, let's let olivier do that when he's ready
17:59:30 <chrislowis> shepazu: sure.
18:01:57 <olivier> shepazu: ping
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