IRC log of mobile-a11y on 2014-02-14

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RRSAgent, make logs 328
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Zakim, this will be
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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:44:20 [trackbot]
Date: 14 February 2014
14:44:32 [Kathy]
zakim, this will be 6283
14:44:32 [Zakim]
ok, Kathy; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
14:44:36 [Kathy]
agenda?
14:44:58 [Kathy]
agenda+ Mobile User Survey
14:45:07 [Kathy]
agenda+ Mobile Accessibility Techniques
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agenda+ Next Steps
14:45:21 [Kathy]
agenda?
14:45:28 [Kathy]
chair: Kathy
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WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started
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+Alan_Smith
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scribe: Alan
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+Kathy_Wahlbin
14:52:46 [Alan_]
chair: kathy
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14:54:05 [Alan_]
agenda?
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+Jeanne
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+Kathleen
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+DavidTodd
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15:02:11 [Alan_]
alan: chatting about snow storm
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15:04:49 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_User_Survey_Questions
15:04:54 [Alan_]
kathy: combined survey questions on every wiki page with link
15:05:08 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
15:05:14 [Zakim]
+??P14
15:05:22 [Jan_]
zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
15:05:22 [Zakim]
+Jan; got it
15:05:45 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_User_Survey_Questions
15:05:53 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140208_survey/results
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TOPIC: Survey Questions
15:07:23 [Alan_]
Kathy: incorportated kim with mobile and desktop devices as well
15:08:09 [Zakim]
+EricP
15:08:11 [Alan_]
kathy: thoughts on phone models
15:08:30 [Kathleen]
q+
15:08:31 [wuwei]
zakim, EricP is wuwei
15:08:32 [Zakim]
+wuwei; got it
15:08:49 [wuwei]
zakim, mute me
15:08:49 [Zakim]
wuwei should now be muted
15:10:09 [Alan_]
Android, windows, ios, blackberry, nokia, firefox os
15:10:27 [Alan_]
basic phones as well
15:10:43 [Jan_]
http://www.wirelessrerc.org/sites/default/files/publications/SUNspot_2013-01_Wireless_Devices_and_People_with_Disabilities_Final%5B1%5D.pdf
15:11:09 [Kathleen]
q-
15:11:11 [Alan_]
Jan added link
15:11:53 [Alan_]
commet about question 1
15:12:27 [Alan_]
Comment on 1.5 and 1.6 what to use phone and most and least?
15:12:50 [Alan_]
jeanne: added calendar, travel
15:13:02 [Alan_]
Jan: add news
15:13:42 [Alan_]
Alan: maps and Jan agreed
15:14:10 [Alan_]
Kathleen: weather
15:14:27 [Alan_]
Jeanne: travel
15:14:33 [Alan_]
Jan: flashlight
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David: sports, recording heart rate, miles run, etc.
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Jan: camera,
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Jeanne: credit card use
15:16:05 [Alan_]
Kathleen: loyalty cards: keyring
15:16:33 [Alan_]
Jan: alarms and timing
15:17:16 [Alan_]
Alan: magnifyer
15:17:27 [Alan_]
?? color picker
15:18:03 [Zakim]
-Jeanne
15:18:04 [Alan_]
TOPIC: item #2 os on device
15:19:00 [Alan_]
David: os version suggestion, start with question basic device, table/smartphone, if either split out I don't know as choice
15:19:19 [Alan_]
Jan not David above
15:19:34 [MichaelC]
s/David:/Jan:/
15:20:27 [Alan_]
TOPIC: How frequently do you do updates 1.2
15:20:49 [Alan_]
Change to when do you do an update on the OS. Change language.
15:21:13 [Alan_]
David: agrees to when do you do updates....
15:21:49 [Alan_]
TOPIC: more granular than every day 1.4
15:21:58 [Zakim]
+Jeanne
15:22:38 [Alan_]
Kathy: to add several times a day, to get an idea how frequently they are using that device
15:23:23 [Alan_]
Jan: agree on more granularity, work versus personal,
15:24:40 [Alan_]
Alan: may find many people do not work or in the work force with devices
15:25:35 [Alan_]
Jan: we could have personal, work, school
15:26:09 [Alan_]
TOPIC: 1.7-8 accessibility settings
15:26:21 [Alan_]
Kathy: not sure if she had them all, any to add?
15:26:51 [Alan_]
Jeanne: add camera as setting
15:28:27 [Alan_]
Jeanne: do we want to put AT applications here?
15:29:24 [Alan_]
Kathy: not sure if we should seperate apps/settings. Will users think as different/or same?
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15:30:50 [Alan_]
Jan: repetitions are hard for data analysis later
15:32:08 [Alan_]
Jan: another question is outside devices? here are elsewhere, Kathy to check
15:32:32 [Alan_]
Kathy: could add about what external devices
15:32:36 [Alan_]
Jan: agree
15:32:57 [Jan_]
external keyboard, mouse, Braille display, ability switch...
15:33:39 [Alan_]
Kathy: question on how often do you use accessibility features. Karen suggested how often for each.
15:34:19 [Alan_]
Kathy: what do we want to get from this survey? do we need to know how often..
15:34:31 [Alan_]
Jan: main thing is people say they are using them.
15:35:23 [Alan_]
Kathy: change options in 8? Jan just drop. don't overload the user with questions.
15:35:40 [Alan_]
David: agree that how often they use it will affect our guidence
15:36:01 [Alan_]
Kathy: explained value
15:36:33 [jeanne]
q+ to briefly discuss purpose, goals of survey
15:36:43 [Alan_]
Kathy: leaning on gettin rid of question
15:37:24 [Alan_]
Jeanne: side topic. what is clear idea of what purpose of survey. Need it to be clear and privacy statement. What are we going to do with data gathered.
15:37:56 [Alan_]
Jeanne: make agenda topic for next week.
15:38:44 [Alan_]
Kathy: purpose of survey to gather info about how people are using mobile, what they are doing, other devices to understand what challenges they are facing.
15:39:10 [Alan_]
Jeanne: are the results of the survey going to drive our recommendations?
15:39:15 [Alan_]
Kathy: agree
15:39:31 [Alan_]
Kathy: yes, add as agenda for next week/
15:40:04 [jeanne]
and how public will the results be -- like being able to be used for other research studies?
15:40:19 [Alan_]
ACTION: Kathy to add agenda item for survey purpose
15:40:20 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-13 - Add agenda item for survey purpose [on Kathleen Wahlbin - due 2014-02-21].
15:40:50 [Alan_]
Jan: value of knowing what mobile users are doing on their devices
15:41:13 [Kathleen]
q+
15:41:46 [Alan_]
Kathy: challenges of using data from survey statistics
15:42:21 [Alan_]
Kathleen: other issue is what mobile devices and apps have you tried to do and why
15:43:11 [Alan_]
Kathleen: value in gettin more info on phones and applications that you tried
15:43:43 [Alan_]
Kathy: eveyone interested in getting survey data for personas, will we use this for more than that?
15:43:56 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
15:43:56 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
15:44:15 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make logs public
15:44:27 [Alan_]
Jan: value in this, agree
15:44:59 [Alan_]
Kathy: Jan and Kathleen, do you want to write up question on this?
15:45:09 [Alan_]
Jan: yes
15:45:15 [Alan_]
Kathleen: yes
15:45:21 [Kathleen]
q-
15:45:40 [jeanne]
ack jeanne
15:45:40 [Zakim]
jeanne, you wanted to briefly discuss purpose, goals of survey
15:45:46 [Alan_]
ACTION: Jan, add questions
15:45:46 [trackbot]
Error finding 'Jan,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/track/users>.
15:45:56 [Alan_]
ACTION: Katleen, add questions
15:45:56 [trackbot]
Error finding 'Katleen,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/track/users>.
15:46:37 [Alan_]
TOPIC: Preferences section
15:46:56 [Kathleen]
Jan_ mine is kathleen.anderson@spiderwebwoman.com
15:47:05 [Alan_]
Kathy: Karen's comments reviewed.
15:47:44 [Alan_]
ACTION: Kathleen, add questions
15:47:44 [trackbot]
Error finding 'Kathleen,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/track/users>.
15:47:48 [Kathy]
Do you prefer to use a smartphone to access content via the web or download a native app via an app store?
15:48:30 [Alan_]
Jeanne: likes Karens comments
15:48:56 [Alan_]
Jan: agrees
15:49:22 [Alan_]
Kathy: take out native apps
15:50:49 [Kathleen]
q+
15:50:51 [Alan_]
Kathy: any preference on survey tool
15:51:09 [Alan_]
Alan: will make part of next week's topic
15:51:49 [Alan_]
ACTION: Kathy to what survey tool
15:51:49 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-14 - What survey tool [on Kathleen Wahlbin - due 2014-02-21].
15:52:00 [Kathleen]
q-
15:52:29 [Alan_]
Jan: there are some android phones with slide out keyboards
15:52:50 [Alan_]
Kathy: do have iPhone with same, add on item
15:53:44 [Alan_]
Jan: have you replaced your built in keyboard on Android. Lots of others on the market.
15:54:00 [Alan_]
TOPIC: Suggestions
15:54:38 [Alan_]
Kathy: on Karen's comments
15:54:43 [Alan_]
Jan: agree
15:55:00 [Alan_]
TOPIC: Demographics
15:55:27 [Alan_]
Kathy: Karen;s comment: #2: I believe there are guidelines to follow in asking about gender to allow for a neutral option, I don't know the exact wording that is preferred
15:55:44 [MichaelC]
ack me
15:57:00 [Kathleen]
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/02/13/facebook_custom_gender_options_here_are_all_56_custom_options.html
15:57:21 [Alan_]
Alan: discussion with team on male/female versus other options.
15:57:45 [Alan_]
Kathleen: gender is not relevant.
15:57:53 [Alan_]
Jan: agree for our purposes
15:58:15 [Alan_]
Kathy: does help with personas
15:58:21 [MichaelC]
s/Jan: agree for our purposes/MichaelC: to usage, but maybe not for our purposes/
15:58:31 [Alan_]
Kathy: lets take out gender
15:59:44 [Alan_]
Kathy: add more age groups
15:59:46 [MichaelC]
ack me
15:59:54 [Alan_]
Jan: agree
16:00:25 [Alan_]
David: feel draft survey to be run by someone who knows survey design.
16:00:59 [MichaelC]
zakim, mute me
16:00:59 [Zakim]
Michael_Cooper should now be muted
16:01:09 [jeanne]
s/David: feel draft survey to be run by someone who knows survey design./Michael: feel draft survey to be run by someone who knows survey design.
16:01:10 [Alan_]
Michae: W3C does have folks
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Kathleen: concern for children protection act and age of survey participants
16:02:25 [Alan_]
Kathleen: to add question
16:02:51 [Kathleen]
q+
16:03:11 [Alan_]
Kathy: next week move into the understanding document.
16:03:55 [Alan_]
s/Kathleen: to add question./Kathy: to add question
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-DavidTodd
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-Kathleen
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-wuwei
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-Kathy_Wahlbin
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-Jan
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-Michael_Cooper
16:04:35 [Alan_]
Alan: meeting over at 11:04
16:04:40 [Kathy]
zakim, list attendees
16:04:40 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Alan_Smith, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, Kathleen, DavidTodd, Jan, Michael_Cooper, wuwei
16:04:46 [Alan_]
How do I end scribbing?
16:04:46 [Zakim]
-Jeanne
16:04:54 [Kathy]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:54 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kathy
16:05:01 [Zakim]
-Alan_Smith
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WAI_MATF()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Alan_Smith, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, Kathleen, DavidTodd, Jan, Michael_Cooper, wuwei
16:05:06 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
16:05:33 [Alan_]
Thanks everyone for you help with some editing as we went along
16:05:49 [Kathy]
regrets: Alistair, Peter, Gavin
16:06:02 [Kathy]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:06:02 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kathy
16:06:11 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:06:11 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
16:08:03 [Kathy]
regrets: Alistair, Peter, Gavin, Kim
16:08:11 [Kathy]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:08:11 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kathy
16:08:28 [Alan_]
I would rather not as I am using company PC.
16:08:47 [Alan_]
Please let me know how to do so and I'll try on my personal PC the next time.
16:09:33 [Kathy]
we will take care of it... thanks Alan
16:12:31 [Alan_]
I tried to edit but it did not work: s/Kathleen: to add question./Kathy: to add question
16:12:51 [Alan_]
Did I miss something with that format for replacing text?
16:24:08 [jeanne]
I think it was a quirk of the system.