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14:44:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:44:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:44:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:44:20 <trackbot> Date: 14 February 2014
14:44:32 <Kathy> zakim, this will be 6283
14:44:32 <Zakim> ok, Kathy; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
14:44:36 <Kathy> agenda?
14:44:58 <Kathy> agenda+ Mobile User Survey
14:45:07 <Kathy> agenda+ Mobile Accessibility Techniques
14:45:15 <Kathy> agenda+ Next Steps
14:45:21 <Kathy> agenda?
14:45:28 <Kathy> chair: Kathy
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14:51:49 <Zakim> +Alan_Smith
14:51:54 <Alan_> scribe: Alan
14:52:08 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
14:52:46 <Alan_> chair: kathy
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14:54:05 <Alan_> agenda?
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15:00:02 <Zakim> +Kathleen
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15:02:11 <Alan_> alan: chatting about snow storm
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15:04:49 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_User_Survey_Questions
15:04:54 <Alan_> kathy: combined survey questions on every wiki page with link
15:05:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:14 <Zakim> +??P14
15:05:22 <Jan_> zakim,  [IPcaller] is really Jan
15:05:22 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
15:05:45 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_User_Survey_Questions
15:05:53 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140208_survey/results
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15:06:11 <Alan_> TOPIC: Survey Questions
15:07:23 <Alan_> Kathy: incorportated kim with mobile and desktop devices as well
15:08:09 <Zakim> +EricP
15:08:11 <Alan_> kathy: thoughts on phone models
15:08:30 <Kathleen> q+
15:08:31 <wuwei> zakim, EricP is wuwei
15:08:32 <Zakim> +wuwei; got it
15:08:49 <wuwei> zakim, mute me
15:08:49 <Zakim> wuwei should now be muted
15:10:09 <Alan_> Android, windows, ios, blackberry, nokia, firefox os
15:10:27 <Alan_> basic phones as well
15:10:43 <Jan_> http://www.wirelessrerc.org/sites/default/files/publications/SUNspot_2013-01_Wireless_Devices_and_People_with_Disabilities_Final%5B1%5D.pdf
15:11:09 <Kathleen> q-
15:11:11 <Alan_> Jan added link
15:11:53 <Alan_> commet about question 1
15:12:27 <Alan_> Comment on 1.5 and 1.6 what to use phone and most and least?
15:12:50 <Alan_> jeanne: added calendar, travel
15:13:02 <Alan_> Jan: add news
15:13:42 <Alan_> Alan: maps and Jan agreed
15:14:10 <Alan_> Kathleen: weather
15:14:27 <Alan_> Jeanne: travel
15:14:33 <Alan_> Jan: flashlight
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15:15:03 <Alan_> David: sports, recording heart rate, miles run, etc.
15:15:14 <Alan_> Jan: camera,
15:15:44 <Alan_> Jeanne: credit card use
15:16:05 <Alan_> Kathleen: loyalty cards: keyring
15:16:33 <Alan_> Jan: alarms and timing
15:17:16 <Alan_> Alan: magnifyer
15:17:27 <Alan_> ?? color picker
15:18:03 <Zakim> -Jeanne
15:18:04 <Alan_> TOPIC: item #2 os on device
15:19:00 <Alan_> David: os version suggestion, start with question basic device, table/smartphone, if either split out I don't know as choice
15:19:19 <Alan_> Jan not David above
15:19:34 <MichaelC> s/David:/Jan:/
15:20:27 <Alan_> TOPIC: How frequently do you do updates 1.2
15:20:49 <Alan_> Change to when do you do an update on the OS. Change language.
15:21:13 <Alan_> David: agrees to when do you do updates....
15:21:49 <Alan_> TOPIC: more granular than every day 1.4
15:21:58 <Zakim> +Jeanne
15:22:38 <Alan_> Kathy: to add several times a day, to get an idea how frequently they are using that device
15:23:23 <Alan_> Jan: agree on more granularity, work versus personal,
15:24:40 <Alan_> Alan: may find many people do not work or in the work force with devices
15:25:35 <Alan_> Jan: we could have personal, work, school
15:26:09 <Alan_> TOPIC: 1.7-8 accessibility settings
15:26:21 <Alan_> Kathy: not sure if she had them all, any to add?
15:26:51 <Alan_> Jeanne: add camera as setting
15:28:27 <Alan_> Jeanne: do we want to put AT applications here?
15:29:24 <Alan_> Kathy: not sure if we should seperate apps/settings. Will users think as different/or same?
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15:30:50 <Alan_> Jan: repetitions are hard for data analysis later
15:32:08 <Alan_> Jan: another question is outside devices? here are elsewhere, Kathy to check
15:32:32 <Alan_> Kathy: could add about what external devices
15:32:36 <Alan_> Jan: agree
15:32:57 <Jan_> external keyboard, mouse, Braille display, ability switch...
15:33:39 <Alan_> Kathy: question on how often do you use accessibility features. Karen suggested how often for each.
15:34:19 <Alan_> Kathy: what do we want to get from this survey? do we need to know how often..
15:34:31 <Alan_> Jan: main thing is people say they are using them.
15:35:23 <Alan_> Kathy: change options in 8? Jan just drop. don't overload the user with questions.
15:35:40 <Alan_> David: agree that how often they use it will affect our guidence
15:36:01 <Alan_> Kathy: explained value
15:36:33 <jeanne> q+ to briefly discuss purpose, goals of survey
15:36:43 <Alan_> Kathy: leaning on gettin rid of question
15:37:24 <Alan_> Jeanne: side topic. what is clear idea of what purpose of survey. Need it to be clear and privacy statement. What are we going to do with data gathered.
15:37:56 <Alan_> Jeanne: make agenda topic for next week.
15:38:44 <Alan_> Kathy: purpose of survey to gather info about how people are using mobile, what they are doing, other devices to understand what challenges they are facing.
15:39:10 <Alan_> Jeanne: are the results of the survey going to drive our recommendations?
15:39:15 <Alan_> Kathy: agree
15:39:31 <Alan_> Kathy: yes, add as agenda for next week/
15:40:04 <jeanne> and how public will the results be -- like being able to be used for other research studies?
15:40:19 <Alan_> ACTION: Kathy to add agenda item for survey purpose
15:40:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Add agenda item for survey purpose [on Kathleen Wahlbin - due 2014-02-21].
15:40:50 <Alan_> Jan: value of knowing what mobile users are doing on their devices
15:41:13 <Kathleen> q+
15:41:46 <Alan_> Kathy: challenges of using data from survey statistics
15:42:21 <Alan_> Kathleen: other issue is what mobile devices and apps have you tried to do and why
15:43:11 <Alan_> Kathleen: value in gettin more info on phones and applications that you tried
15:43:43 <Alan_> Kathy: eveyone interested in getting survey data for personas, will we use this for more than that?
15:43:56 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
15:43:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
15:44:15 <jeanne> rrsagent, make logs public
15:44:27 <Alan_> Jan: value in this, agree
15:44:59 <Alan_> Kathy: Jan and Kathleen, do you want to write up question on this?
15:45:09 <Alan_> Jan: yes
15:45:15 <Alan_> Kathleen: yes
15:45:21 <Kathleen> q-
15:45:40 <jeanne> ack jeanne
15:45:40 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to briefly discuss purpose, goals of survey
15:45:46 <Alan_> ACTION: Jan, add questions
15:45:46 <trackbot> Error finding 'Jan,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/track/users>.
15:45:56 <Alan_> ACTION: Katleen, add questions
15:45:56 <trackbot> Error finding 'Katleen,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/track/users>.
15:46:37 <Alan_> TOPIC: Preferences section
15:46:56 <Kathleen> Jan_ mine is kathleen.anderson@spiderwebwoman.com
15:47:05 <Alan_> Kathy: Karen's comments reviewed.
15:47:44 <Alan_> ACTION: Kathleen, add questions
15:47:44 <trackbot> Error finding 'Kathleen,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/track/users>.
15:47:48 <Kathy> Do you prefer to use a smartphone to access content via the web or download a native app via an app store?
15:48:30 <Alan_> Jeanne: likes Karens comments
15:48:56 <Alan_> Jan: agrees
15:49:22 <Alan_> Kathy: take out native apps
15:50:49 <Kathleen> q+
15:50:51 <Alan_> Kathy: any preference on survey tool
15:51:09 <Alan_> Alan: will make part of next week's topic
15:51:49 <Alan_> ACTION: Kathy to what survey tool
15:51:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - What survey tool [on Kathleen Wahlbin - due 2014-02-21].
15:52:00 <Kathleen> q-
15:52:29 <Alan_> Jan: there are some android phones with slide out keyboards
15:52:50 <Alan_> Kathy: do have iPhone with same, add on item
15:53:44 <Alan_> Jan: have you replaced your built in keyboard on Android. Lots of others on the market.
15:54:00 <Alan_> TOPIC: Suggestions
15:54:38 <Alan_> Kathy: on Karen's comments
15:54:43 <Alan_> Jan: agree
15:55:00 <Alan_> TOPIC: Demographics
15:55:27 <Alan_> Kathy: Karen;s comment: #2: I believe there are guidelines to follow in asking about gender to allow for a neutral option, I don't know the exact wording that is preferred
15:55:44 <MichaelC> ack me
15:57:00 <Kathleen> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/02/13/facebook_custom_gender_options_here_are_all_56_custom_options.html
15:57:21 <Alan_> Alan: discussion with team on male/female versus other options.
15:57:45 <Alan_> Kathleen: gender is not relevant.
15:57:53 <Alan_> Jan: agree for our purposes
15:58:15 <Alan_> Kathy: does help with personas
15:58:21 <MichaelC> s/Jan: agree for our purposes/MichaelC: to usage, but maybe not for our purposes/
15:58:31 <Alan_> Kathy: lets take out gender
15:59:44 <Alan_> Kathy: add more age groups
15:59:46 <MichaelC> ack me
15:59:54 <Alan_> Jan: agree
16:00:25 <Alan_> David: feel draft survey to be run by someone who knows survey design.
16:00:59 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
16:00:59 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
16:01:09 <jeanne> s/David: feel draft survey to be run by someone who knows survey design./Michael: feel draft survey to be run by someone who knows survey design.
16:01:10 <Alan_> Michae: W3C does have folks
16:01:59 <Alan_> Kathleen: concern for children protection act and age of survey participants
16:02:25 <Alan_> Kathleen: to add question
16:02:51 <Kathleen> q+
16:03:11 <Alan_> Kathy: next week move into the understanding document.
16:03:55 <Alan_> s/Kathleen: to add question./Kathy: to add question
16:04:22 <Zakim> -DavidTodd
16:04:23 <Zakim> -Kathleen
16:04:25 <Zakim> -wuwei
16:04:26 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
16:04:27 <Zakim> -Jan
16:04:30 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:04:35 <Alan_> Alan: meeting over at 11:04
16:04:40 <Kathy> zakim, list attendees
16:04:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Alan_Smith, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, Kathleen, DavidTodd, Jan, Michael_Cooper, wuwei
16:04:46 <Alan_> How do I end scribbing?
16:04:46 <Zakim> -Jeanne
16:04:54 <Kathy> rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kathy
16:05:01 <Zakim> -Alan_Smith
16:05:02 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()10:00AM has ended
16:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Alan_Smith, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, Kathleen, DavidTodd, Jan, Michael_Cooper, wuwei
16:05:06 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
16:05:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
16:05:33 <Alan_> Thanks everyone for you help with some editing as we went along
16:05:49 <Kathy> regrets: Alistair, Peter, Gavin
16:06:02 <Kathy> rrsagent, make minutes
16:06:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kathy
16:06:11 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
16:06:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html jeanne
16:08:03 <Kathy> regrets: Alistair, Peter, Gavin, Kim
16:08:11 <Kathy> rrsagent, make minutes
16:08:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/14-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kathy
16:08:28 <Alan_> I would rather not as I am using company PC.
16:08:47 <Alan_> Please let me know how to do so and I'll try on my personal PC the next time.
16:09:33 <Kathy> we will take care of it... thanks Alan
16:12:31 <Alan_> I tried to edit but it did not work: s/Kathleen: to add question./Kathy: to add question
16:12:51 <Alan_> Did I miss something with that format for replacing text?
16:24:08 <jeanne> I think it was a quirk of the system.