IRC log of ua on 2014-02-13

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Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 13 February 2014
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comments document: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2014/LCcomments.html
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agenda+ git hub?
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agenda+ review comments -
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1.4.1 MS03
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1.4.3 SB06, WD02
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Greg comments...
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--
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Main Comment Gateway -
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, microsoft is kford
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+kford; got it
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+Jeanne
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+Greg_Lowney
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
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+Jan; got it
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zakim, agenda?
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. git hub? [from kford]
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2. review comments - [from kford]
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Regrets: Kim, Jim
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Topic: GL's update to JR's proposal
18:11:17 [Jan]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014JanMar/0033.html
18:12:04 [kford]
JR: I sent to the list that I like GL's wording and where he has two versions I like version 1. See comments on the list.
18:13:33 [kford]
GOL and JR talking about ignore
18:16:19 [Greg]
(Version 3) 1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent *ignore* author-specified absolute layout dimensions. (Level AA)
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GL and JR talking about overall goal of these proposal.
18:20:57 [Jan]
1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent override author-specified absolute layout dimensions in order to have the content fit to the horizontal dimensions of the top-level viewport. (Level AA)
18:21:50 [Jan]
1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent override author-specified absolute layout dimensions. (Level AA)
18:23:06 [Greg]
Overriding author-specified dimensions has two benefits: allowing reflow, and adjusting content for changes in font size and viewport size, etc.
18:24:33 [Greg]
After discussion, looks like we're back to (Version 2) 1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent override author-specified absolute layout dimensions. (Level AA)
18:26:00 [kford]
GL walking through proposals from email.
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Talking about item 1.
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JR and JS and KF are fine with change.
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GL asks what level.
18:27:35 [Greg]
Approved 1.8.X Multi-Column Text Reflow: The user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column. (Level TBD)
18:28:12 [jeanne]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2014/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20140206/#intro-conf-levels
18:28:31 [kford]
Group puts this at AA.
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-minutes.html kford
18:30:35 [jeanne]
action: jeanne to add greg's revision #1 " 1.8.X Multi-Column Text Reflow: The user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column."
18:30:35 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-943 - Add greg's revision #1 " 1.8.x multi-column text reflow: the user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column." [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20].
18:30:56 [Greg]
Jan notes that this is one of three new SC that replace 1.8.7 Reflow Text.
18:30:57 [jeanne]
action-943?
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action-943 -- Jeanne F Spellman to Add greg's revision #1 " 1.8.x multi-column text reflow: the user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column." -- due 2014-02-20 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/943
18:31:12 [jeanne]
edit action-943
18:31:54 [Greg]
Note benefits both for people who want to reduce horizontal scrolling and for people with cognitive impairments who would be distracted or confused by columns.
18:32:20 [Greg]
(Reducing horizontal scrolling particularly when using large fonts.)
18:32:33 [kford]
Now on to item 2
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Resolved: Remove 1.8.7 and use IER in other SC as appropriate
18:33:41 [jeanne]
action: jeanne to remove 1.8.7 on text reflow
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Created ACTION-944 - Remove 1.8.7 on text reflow [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20].
18:34:04 [kford]
NBow to item 3
18:34:46 [kford]
To recap, these points come from mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014JanMar/0033.html
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JS: Why are we talking about available printing devices. Why is that an accessibility issue.
18:36:54 [Jan]
1.4.4 Configured and Reflowed Text Printing: The user can print any rendered visual, non-time-based content to the user's choice of available printing devices.
18:37:15 [Greg]
The 1.4.4. Intent includes "Printing to virtual printer devices can also be a necessary step in converting the content to another electronic format that the user finds more accessible."
18:40:28 [jeanne]
Chrome eventually opens to the system dialog for printers in Windows 7
18:42:01 [Greg]
My concern was that a browser would simplify its UI by having a print button that only printed to the default printer, which would make it difficult to route the output to converters that are only used occasionally.
18:42:48 [Greg]
We could clarify in a definition of "available printing devices" or in the IER that we are only talking about devices available through the platform; we don't expect the UA to provide its own device drivers.
18:46:29 [kford]
Resolved: The group accepts the proposal for item 3 with the note that we will add a definition of available printing devices.
18:47:00 [kford]
Group discussion centered on the fact that the point here was just to ensure that the browser didn't remove items that were in general available on the system.
18:47:10 [Jan]
Possible defn: available printing devices: Printing devices that are identified as available to applications via the *platform*.
18:47:41 [kford]
KF: I'm fine with that definition.
18:47:53 [Jan]
JR: Me too
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JR and GL fine too.
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JS fine also.
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Now to item 4.
18:48:32 [jeanne]
action: jeanne to add definition of available printing devices: Printing devices that are identified as available to applications via the *platform*. and link to 1.4.4
18:48:32 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-945 - Add definition of available printing devices: printing devices that are identified as available to applications via the *platform*. and link to 1.4.4 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20].
18:49:01 [jeanne]
action: jeanne to revise 1.4.4 from meeting of 13 Feb 2013
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Created ACTION-946 - Revise 1.4.4 from meeting of 13 feb 2013 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20].
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Resolved: accepting item 4 to remove definition of reflowable content.
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Item 5
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JR: I like GL's change.
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KF: I'm fine with it also as is JS.
18:50:46 [Greg]
New global applicability note:
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5. Vertical layout languages: When user agents render vertical layout languages (e.g. Mongolian, Han), success criteria normally relating to horizontal rendering should be applied to vertical rendering instead.
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Resolved: Group good with proposed changes for item 5.
18:51:09 [Greg]
(Or maybe that should be "instead applied to vertical rendering"...?)
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Item 6
18:52:52 [Greg]
Agreed earlier on the call to accept 1.8.X Ignore absolute layout dimensions: The user can have the user agent override author-specified absolute layout dimensions. (Level AA)
18:53:51 [kford]
Resolved: accept proposal for 1.8.x, see last comment from GL.
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-Jeanne
18:57:48 [Jan]
Action JR: Write IER for the three new 1.8.X SCs
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Created ACTION-947 - Write ier for the three new 1.8.x scs [on Jan Richards - due 2014-02-20].
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Item 7 now up
18:58:21 [Greg]
1.8.Y Linearize content: The user can have recognized content rendered as a single column, overriding formatting of columns and positioning specified by the author. (Level AAA)
18:59:20 [Greg]
1.8.Y Linearize content: The user can have recognized content rendered as a single column, overriding author-provided formatting of columns and positioning. (Level AA)
18:59:44 [Greg]
1.8.Y Linearize content: The user can have recognized content rendered as a single column, overriding author-specified formatting of columns and positioning. (Level AA)
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Resolved: group making item here AA.
19:01:26 [Greg]
1.8.Y Linearize content: The user can have recognized content rendered as a single column, overriding author-specified formatting of columns, tables, and positioning. (Level AA)
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Action: JS to update document with last propsal from GL.
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Created ACTION-948 - Update document with last propsal from gl. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-20].
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-kford
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-Jan
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-Greg_Lowney
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-minutes.html kford
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
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Attendees were kford, Jeanne, Greg_Lowney, Jan
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Present: Greg, Kelly, Jan, Jeanne
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-minutes.html kford
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zakim, please part
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rrsagent, please part
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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: jeanne to add greg's revision #1 " 1.8.X Multi-Column Text Reflow: The user can specify that recognized multi-column text blocks each be reflowed into a single column." [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-30-35
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ACTION: jeanne to remove 1.8.7 on text reflow [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-33-41
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ACTION: jeanne to add definition of available printing devices: Printing devices that are identified as available to applications via the *platform*. and link to 1.4.4 [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-48-32
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ACTION: jeanne to revise 1.4.4 from meeting of 13 Feb 2013 [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-49-01
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ACTION: JR to Write IER for the three new 1.8.X SCs [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T18-57-48
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ACTION: JS to update document with last propsal from GL. [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-ua-irc#T19-02-17