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15:58:08 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Feb/0016.html
15:58:16 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:58:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:58:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:58:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:58:21 <trackbot> Date: 13 February 2014
15:58:26 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:58:29 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:58:33 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:58:36 <aphillip> Regrets: felix
15:58:47 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR
15:58:55 <aphillip> agenda+ Counter Styles
15:59:06 <aphillip> agenda+ HTML5 caseless matching
15:59:14 <aphillip> agenda+ charmod
15:59:19 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:59:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:59:36 <r12a> zakim, dial richard por favor
15:59:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'dial richard por favor', r12a
15:59:45 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:59:45 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:59:46 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
15:59:47 <Zakim> +Richard
15:59:58 <Zakim> +aphillip
16:00:33 <Zakim> +??P12
16:00:43 <matial> zakim, ??p12 is  me
16:00:43 <Zakim> +matial; got it
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16:02:50 <r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/pickers/balinese/
16:02:57 <Zakim> +JcK
16:04:06 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
16:04:08 <aphillip> agenda?
16:04:17 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:04:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, aphillip, matial, JcK
16:04:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
16:04:37 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:05:24 <aphillip> close action-282
16:05:24 <trackbot> Closed action-282.
16:05:47 <aphillip> close action-283
16:05:47 <trackbot> Closed action-283.
16:06:02 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
16:06:20 <aphillip> close action-285
16:06:20 <trackbot> Closed action-285.
16:06:47 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:07:46 <aphillip> JcK: martin duerst and I talking to dennis
16:08:06 <aphillip> ... about punycode and IDNA in HTML5
16:08:13 <aphillip> ... much confusion
16:09:24 <r12a> Form input type=email [1]
16:09:24 <r12a> [[
16:09:24 <r12a> Constraint validation: While the user interface is representing input
16:09:26 <r12a> that the user agent cannot convert to punycode, the control is suffering
16:09:28 <r12a> from bad input.
16:09:30 <r12a> ]]
16:12:08 <r12a> john, we lost you
16:12:26 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:12:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, aphillip, matial, JcK
16:12:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, matial, DavidClarke, r12a, trackbot
16:12:35 <r12a> maybe  redial?
16:12:57 <aphillip> zakim, drop JcK
16:12:57 <Zakim> JcK is being disconnected
16:12:58 <Zakim> -JcK
16:13:30 <Zakim> +JcK
16:13:31 <aphillip> richard: small item in the interim
16:17:39 <r12a> http://rishida.net/writing
16:17:56 <aphillip> richard: as part of rewriting my site, I made one or two new things
16:18:07 <aphillip> ... one that is cming is tibetan layout requirement document
16:18:15 <aphillip> s/cming/coming/
16:18:26 <aphillip> richard: if you look at above link
16:18:28 <r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/block/balinese
16:18:35 <aphillip> ... can see all characters in a Unicode block
16:18:39 <aphillip> ... more to come
16:18:45 <r12a> http://rishida.net/scriptlinks
16:18:50 <aphillip> richard: another thing more useful (?)
16:18:56 <aphillip> ... is above link
16:19:04 <aphillip> ... if you select from lists
16:19:18 <aphillip> ... and you get links to varous resources about each script (articles, fonts, etc.)
16:19:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:19:47 <aphillip> agenda?
16:19:53 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:19:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR" taken up [from aphillip]
16:21:10 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Feb/0015.html
16:21:27 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/mathml3-2e/
16:21:45 <aphillip> >    http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/PER-MathML3-20140211/  >    http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/PER-xml-entity-names-20140211/
16:22:05 <aphillip> addison: probably should review entity names
16:24:27 <aphillip> agenda?
16:24:38 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:24:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Counter Styles" taken up [from aphillip]
16:24:53 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/46
16:25:24 <aphillip> richard: believe these can be all closed
16:25:47 <aphillip> richard: hebrew number converter (which mati commented on)
16:25:54 <aphillip> ... if you got to 2500 or something
16:26:10 <aphillip> ... you add extra character until you get to quite a few of these
16:26:17 <aphillip> ... kind of unhelpful
16:26:23 <aphillip> ... mati proposed alternative
16:26:27 <aphillip> ... to go in our Note
16:26:47 <aphillip> ... solution was to limit number of counters to 2000 to prevent over-long strings
16:26:56 <aphillip> richard: actually, 3 browsers have implementred
16:27:04 <aphillip> ... what mati suggested
16:27:12 <aphillip> ... and none have done what is in spec
16:27:26 <aphillip> ... so wrote to Tab to change spec
16:27:29 <aphillip> ... and it's done now
16:28:06 <aphillip> richard: only open item is one of the complicated Ethiopian styles won't produce a counter for "1"
16:28:14 <aphillip> ... haven't had a response from Tab yet
16:28:19 <aphillip> ... otherwise close them all
16:28:33 <aphillip> ... keep issue 282
16:29:12 <aphillip> action: richard: inform CSS that we are satisfied with counter styles now (save for issue 282)
16:29:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-286 - Inform css that we are satisfied with counter styles now (save for issue 282) [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-02-20].
16:29:18 <aphillip> agenda?
16:29:33 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:29:33 <Zakim> agendum 3. "HTML5 caseless matching" taken up [from aphillip]
16:29:48 <aphillip> topic: Info Share additional
16:29:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:30:08 <aphillip> richard: number of issues with W3C test framework
16:30:13 <aphillip> ... where our tests currently live
16:30:17 <aphillip> ... lack of maint.
16:30:23 <aphillip> ... could dissappear
16:30:27 <aphillip> ... fw fails on IE
16:30:35 <aphillip> ... doesn't separate opera from chrome
16:30:37 <aphillip> ... etc. etc.
16:31:10 <aphillip> richard: made a new architecture
16:31:45 <aphillip> (discussion of a private link)
16:36:31 <aphillip> agenda?
16:37:15 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:37:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "HTML5 caseless matching" taken up [from aphillip]
16:37:32 <aphillip>    https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16970
16:37:44 <aphillip> ISSUE-105?
16:37:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- Compatibility caseless matching -- open
16:37:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/105
16:48:07 <aphillip> http://people.mozilla.org/~jdaggett/tests/radiobuttonnamecase.html
16:49:38 <aphillip> action: addison: pull together wiki page of the caseless matching problem, mining the past conversation with CSS plus charmod plus bug 16970
16:49:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-287 - Pull together wiki page of the caseless matching problem, mining the past conversation with css plus charmod plus bug 16970 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-02-20].
16:52:12 <aphillip> However, Anne, all of those identifiers are themselves ASCII only. That's what makes ACI acceptable there. For Unicode name spaces, I think I18N rightly would insist that, if case sensitive is not used, UCI is the the next appropriate choice and ACI I'd wholly unacceptable.  However, case sensitive is usually our first recommendation and, as you say, recommending lowercase and consistent normalization. What would we be breaking if we did that though? Like[CUT]
16:52:31 <aphillip> agenda?
16:52:40 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
16:52:40 <Zakim> agendum 4. "charmod" taken up [from aphillip]
16:53:39 <aphillip> addison: need to fix poll
16:54:37 <aphillip> ... use UTC or fix the poll to do time zones
16:57:51 <aphillip> addison: FPWD in about eight weeks?
16:58:03 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:58:44 <Zakim> -JcK
16:58:45 <Zakim> -aphillip
16:58:51 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:58:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:58:52 <JcK> JcK has left #i18n
16:58:55 <Zakim> -matial
16:59:02 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
16:59:02 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
16:59:03 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
16:59:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, aphillip, matial, JcK
16:59:52 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:59:52 <Zakim> apparently I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended, aphillip
16:59:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
16:59:58 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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17:00:06 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:00:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:00:26 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, JcK, Mati
17:01:13 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:01:37 <aphillip> s/varous/various/
17:02:05 <aphillip> s/fw/framework/
17:02:17 <aphillip> s/maint./maintenance/
17:02:28 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minuts
17:02:28 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minuts', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:02:35 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:03:45 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:03:56 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
17:03:56 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-actions.rdf :
17:03:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: inform CSS that we are satisfied with counter styles now (save for issue 282) [1]
17:03:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-irc#T16-29-12
17:03:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: pull together wiki page of the caseless matching problem, mining the past conversation with CSS plus charmod plus bug 16970 [2]
17:03:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/13-i18n-irc#T16-49-38